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Title: bad spot to 3bet shove pre? deep in super turbo ko 6$ Post by: paulhouk03 on May 20, 2010, 11:19:19 PM he has been raising quite often in postion with little playing back at him.
***** Hand History for Game 20994349836 ***** (Full Tilt) Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, May 20, 05:43:57 ET 2010 Table 6 050 Super Turbo KO (161463444) Table 21 (Real Money) Seat 9 is the button Seat 1: notorious p ( $15373.00 USD ) Seat 2: BARKAS57 ( $15512.00 USD ) Seat 3: cincillo ( $24272.00 USD ) Seat 4: arkita43 ( $1460.00 USD ) Seat 6: BP_MGM_LV ( $8600.00 USD ) Seat 7: cinemike ( $18100.00 USD ) Seat 8: king bob1981 ( $16941.00 USD ) Seat 9: ewkomo ( $12352.00 USD ) notorious p posts small blind [$500.00 USD]. BARKAS57 posts big blind [$1000.00 USD]. notorious p posts ante of [$125.00 USD]. BARKAS57 posts ante of [$125.00 USD]. cincillo posts ante of [$125.00 USD]. arkita43 posts ante of [$125.00 USD]. BP_MGM_LV posts ante of [$125.00 USD]. cinemike posts ante of [$125.00 USD]. king bob1981 posts ante of [$125.00 USD]. ewkomo posts ante of [$125.00 USD]. ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to notorious p [ 5h 4c ] cincillo folds arkita43 folds BP_MGM_LV folds cinemike folds king bob1981 raises [$4000.00 USD] ewkomo folds notorious p raises [$14748.00 USD] BARKAS57 folds king bob1981 calls [$11248.00 USD] notorious p shows [5h, 4c ] king bob1981 shows [Ah, 9c ] Title: Re: bad spot to 3bet shove pre? deep in super turbo ko 6$ Post by: LeKnave on May 20, 2010, 11:20:26 PM yes
Title: Re: bad spot to 3bet shove pre? deep in super turbo ko 6$ Post by: Doobs on May 20, 2010, 11:21:58 PM Terrible, he calls his entire range is he is half competent
Title: Re: bad spot to 3bet shove pre? deep in super turbo ko 6$ Post by: ChipRich on May 20, 2010, 11:23:42 PM Title: Re: bad spot to 3bet shove pre? deep in super turbo ko 6$ Post by: BulldozerD on May 20, 2010, 11:24:14 PM Title: Re: bad spot to 3bet shove pre? deep in super turbo ko 6$ Post by: EvilPie on May 20, 2010, 11:33:33 PM Would've been a great spot if you had a good hand.
Title: Re: bad spot to 3bet shove pre? deep in super turbo ko 6$ Post by: MC on May 20, 2010, 11:37:37 PM You're giving him two to one on a call when he's raised 4x.
[ ] He's ever folding Title: Re: bad spot to 3bet shove pre? deep in super turbo ko 6$ Post by: paulhouk03 on May 20, 2010, 11:52:32 PM what range would ppl be shoving with/
Title: Re: bad spot to 3bet shove pre? deep in super turbo ko 6$ Post by: BulldozerD on May 21, 2010, 12:03:28 AM what range would ppl be shoving with/ along way from 5 high probs AT+KQ most pairs just don't have enough FE to 3bet so unless you are open shoving don't think you can do it too light Title: Re: bad spot to 3bet shove pre? deep in super turbo ko 6$ Post by: MC on May 21, 2010, 12:18:16 AM what range would ppl be shoving with/ along way from 5 high probs AT+KQ most pairs just don't have enough FE to 3bet so unless you are open shoving don't think you can do it too light Did AT creep in there cos villain has A9? :P Something like AJ+, 77+ looks good, maybe 66 and ATs if you're feeling frisky. Title: Re: bad spot to 3bet shove pre? deep in super turbo ko 6$ Post by: EvilPie on May 21, 2010, 12:31:05 AM With 15 bigs and zero FE........
AQ+, 99+ This assumes no reads. May change drastically with a bit of info on villain. Info means that I've actually seen one of the hands he's raised with. He may just be on a card rush so I'm not adjusting too much just yet. Title: Re: bad spot to 3bet shove pre? deep in super turbo ko 6$ Post by: MC on May 21, 2010, 01:52:39 AM With 15 bigs and zero FE........ AQ+, 99+ This assumes no reads. May change drastically with a bit of info on villain. Info means that I've actually seen one of the hands he's raised with. He may just be on a card rush so I'm not adjusting too much just yet. This range looks a little better default range than mine thinking about it. Maybe somewhere inbetween is good, 88+, AQ+, AJs. Title: Re: bad spot to 3bet shove pre? deep in super turbo ko 6$ Post by: Cf on May 21, 2010, 02:09:39 AM sorry paul, but lol @ that shove :)
he's never folding. I like MCs range for shoving. Title: Re: bad spot to 3bet shove pre? deep in super turbo ko 6$ Post by: pleno1 on May 21, 2010, 02:18:25 AM he 4x'd it? aq+ 99+.
Title: Re: bad spot to 3bet shove pre? deep in super turbo ko 6$ Post by: outragous76 on May 21, 2010, 02:21:56 AM I usually take 4x as 77 thru JJ and AT AJ AQ so I like the tighter range suggested here tbh
Title: Re: bad spot to 3bet shove pre? deep in super turbo ko 6$ Post by: Sack it off on May 21, 2010, 05:15:19 AM Pleased the 4x was drawn to my attention;
Yeah him 4x'ing is him basically telling you he isnt folding, thats why people are suggesting such a tight range such as AQ+ 99+ If he 2.5x'd it and you knew his range was light I still wouldn't go with 45o My range would then be A2s+ A7o+ KJo+ 22+ Much wider because more fold equity Title: Re: bad spot to 3bet shove pre? deep in super turbo ko 6$ Post by: BulldozerD on May 21, 2010, 10:08:39 AM what range would ppl be shoving with/ along way from 5 high probs AT+KQ most pairs just don't have enough FE to 3bet so unless you are open shoving don't think you can do it too light Did AT creep in there cos villain has A9? :P Something like AJ+, 77+ looks good, maybe 66 and ATs if you're feeling frisky. lol results orientated ftw meh i actually would shove AT and KQ, probs 77+ as well, given the guy has been described as opening fairly liberally |