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Title: GUKPT Cov - Hand 1 Post by: Blatch on May 23, 2010, 05:19:41 PM My starting table was very soft and were only 2 levels in. Im in BB playing around 22k, from 15k stack.
UTG opens to 600 (playing 18k). Bad player, doesnt seem to understand betting sizes or ranges at all but understands his hand and how to bet it. Mid position flats (playing 14k, had been the most active player at table but clearly had a bit of game about it, and I make up in the BB with 6d 7h. Flop brings Qh Td 6h I check first to act, UTG c-bets 600. He had c-bet his pre flop raise amount twice before. Once being with two overs and flush draw and once being with A high. MP flats too, which got me thinking. I decided to flat as potentially could be winning and a lot of implied with UTG. Turn was an ok 7c but obv would have prefered another 6 ;) UTG again bets 600 and MP calls. Do most people check raise here? Confident we have the best hand now? I decided to c/r to 1925 and both flatted again. Now im certain MP has the flush draw and UTG has something like KQ, QJ or maybe nut flush draw (this only based on a hand he played earlier). River is a brick, 4s. Both check to me, is this a good enough spot to value bet? Too thin to get called by worse? If we do value bet how much? Pot is now 9,475. Title: Re: GUKPT Cov - Hand 1 Post by: GreekStein on May 23, 2010, 05:27:56 PM I'm betting 5700
Title: Re: GUKPT Cov - Hand 1 Post by: George2Loose on May 23, 2010, 05:30:00 PM I make it 6425
Title: Re: GUKPT Cov - Hand 1 Post by: George2Loose on May 23, 2010, 05:30:30 PM Oh and I'm folding flop
Title: Re: GUKPT Cov - Hand 1 Post by: Blatch on May 23, 2010, 05:50:14 PM Fold pre, fold the flop, raise bigger on the turn, say ~2850, bet 63% of the pot on river. Fold pre? After the hand I thought the call was a bit dodgy considering the MP player was involved. Title: Re: GUKPT Cov - Hand 1 Post by: GreekStein on May 23, 2010, 06:10:40 PM Fold pre, fold the flop, raise bigger on the turn, say ~2850, bet 63% of the pot on river. Fold pre? After the hand I thought the call was a bit dodgy considering the MP player was involved. yeh fold pre we have 67o Title: Re: GUKPT Cov - Hand 1 Post by: Blatch on May 23, 2010, 06:13:46 PM Fold pre, fold the flop, raise bigger on the turn, say ~2850, bet 63% of the pot on river. Fold pre? After the hand I thought the call was a bit dodgy considering the MP player was involved. yeh fold pre we have 67o Against a donk who cant play the game Title: Re: GUKPT Cov - Hand 1 Post by: GreekStein on May 23, 2010, 06:15:29 PM Fold pre, fold the flop, raise bigger on the turn, say ~2850, bet 63% of the pot on river. Fold pre? After the hand I thought the call was a bit dodgy considering the MP player was involved. yeh fold pre we have 67o Against a donk who cant play the game meh you like peeling too many hands anyway. I mean i would if i was you as you flop nut nut every time but still prob fold. Don't hate it obv but think folding is better pre Title: Re: GUKPT Cov - Hand 1 Post by: George2Loose on May 23, 2010, 06:18:02 PM Fold pre, fold the flop, raise bigger on the turn, say ~2850, bet 63% of the pot on river. Fold pre? After the hand I thought the call was a bit dodgy considering the MP player was involved. yeh fold pre we have 67o Against a donk who cant play the game meh you like peeling too many hands anyway. I mean i would if i was you as you flop nut nut every time but still prob fold. Don't hate it obv but think folding is better pre Think the flop call is more questionable Title: Re: GUKPT Cov - Hand 1 Post by: Blatch on May 23, 2010, 06:25:28 PM Fold pre, fold the flop, raise bigger on the turn, say ~2850, bet 63% of the pot on river. Fold pre? After the hand I thought the call was a bit dodgy considering the MP player was involved. yeh fold pre we have 67o Against a donk who cant play the game meh you like peeling too many hands anyway. I mean i would if i was you as you flop nut nut every time but still prob fold. Don't hate it obv but think folding is better pre Think the flop call is more questionable Agree with this but deffo not passing pre, this deep, after a good start, against a donk who plays his hands face up and doesnt pass. Title: Re: GUKPT Cov - Hand 1 Post by: Skgv on May 23, 2010, 09:17:51 PM Raise more the turn an as you raised small the turn probaly bet 40 to 50% of the pot on the river to defintely get called by Q...
Title: Re: GUKPT Cov - Hand 1 Post by: NigDawG on May 24, 2010, 01:41:57 AM Fold pre, fold the flop, raise bigger on the turn, say ~2850, bet 63% of the pot on river. i do the same as this man Title: Re: GUKPT Cov - Hand 1 Post by: byronkincaid on May 24, 2010, 01:46:26 AM Quote Both check to me ? Title: Re: GUKPT Cov - Hand 1 Post by: NigDawG on May 24, 2010, 02:10:05 AM Quote Both check to me ? blatch runs so good he gets position every hand Title: Re: GUKPT Cov - Hand 1 Post by: Rupert on May 24, 2010, 02:31:16 AM the main reason most players are bad is because they play too many hands
Title: Re: GUKPT Cov - Hand 1 Post by: AlexMartin on May 24, 2010, 03:13:39 AM Fold pre, fold the flop, raise bigger on the turn, say ~2850, bet 63% of the pot on river. /thread Title: Re: GUKPT Cov - Hand 1 Post by: MC on May 24, 2010, 03:16:08 AM Fold pre, fold the flop, raise bigger on the turn, say ~2850, bet 63% of the pot on river. /thread +1 Title: Re: GUKPT Cov - Hand 1 Post by: Free_Rollin on May 24, 2010, 03:59:29 PM Fold pre, fold the flop, raise bigger on the turn, say ~2850, bet 63% of the pot on river. /thread +1 Word is born. Title: Re: GUKPT Cov - Hand 1 Post by: Mitch on May 24, 2010, 06:29:14 PM Fold pre, fold the flop, raise bigger on the turn, say ~2850, bet 63% of the pot on river. /thread +1 Dont usually use the old +1 option but this is a good time for it. If for some reason i do find myself in a hand oop with 67os, calling what in level 2 would be a 6x raise, surely this is a pretty terrible flop to over peel. Hitting 2 pair is never gonna flood you with confidence, especially if it comes a red. Also the benefit of playing connector sort of hands are that if you get a flop around your hand such as 3 5 6 there are lots of cards to come which make it easy for you to turn your hand into a bruffffff. All the cards that connect this board on the turn and river probably fill opponents hands or make them 'unfoldable' 2 pair combos or broadway, sets etc. Anyway, as played, its a deffo value bet if check to you in position, but seeing as your big blind...... still value bet as i think most/ all better hands protect on the turn, but saying that i prob try to give tickets to value town out too thinly. Title: Re: GUKPT Cov - Hand 1 Post by: Blatch on May 24, 2010, 06:35:32 PM Fold pre, fold the flop, raise bigger on the turn, say ~2850, bet 63% of the pot on river. /thread +1 Dont usually use the old +1 option but this is a good time for it. If for some reason i do find myself in a hand oop with 67os, calling what in level 2 would be a 6x raise, surely this is a pretty terrible flop to over peel. Hitting 2 pair is never gonna flood you with confidence, especially if it comes a red. Also the benefit of playing connector sort of hands are that if you get a flop around your hand such as 3 5 6 there are lots of cards to come which make it easy for you to turn your hand into a bruffffff. All the cards that connect this board on the turn and river probably fill opponents hands or make them 'unfoldable' 2 pair combos or broadway, sets etc. Anyway, as played, its a deffo value bet if check to you in position, but seeing as your big blind...... still value bet as i think most/ all better hands protect on the turn, but saying that i prob try to give tickets to value town out too thinly. Where do u get 6x from? I would never flat a 6x raise here in the spot. Its 600 to call and I have 200 out there already. Title: Re: GUKPT Cov - Hand 1 Post by: Mitch on May 24, 2010, 06:48:08 PM Thort is was level 2? (blinds 50/100)? appologies if im wrong :-X
Title: Re: GUKPT Cov - Hand 1 Post by: Blatch on May 24, 2010, 06:49:51 PM Thort is was level 2? (blinds 50/100)? appologies if im wrong :-X No, were 2 levels in, i.e. were just starting the 3rd level so blinds at 100/200 Title: Re: GUKPT Cov - Hand 1 Post by: Mitch on May 24, 2010, 06:55:01 PM Thort is was level 2? (blinds 50/100)? appologies if im wrong :-X No, were 2 levels in, i.e. were just starting the 3rd level so blinds at 100/200 Oh I see, misread it. Hmmmm yeh i probably call pre then if I percieved the other players as weak but still dont call the flop bet for previous reasons. Oh and LOL at your other hand, OBVIOUSLY you just flop the nuts, was gonna post on that hand aswell but everyones beat me to it and dont wanna be a +1er on every thread! Title: Re: GUKPT Cov - Hand 1 Post by: Blatch on May 24, 2010, 06:57:25 PM Thort is was level 2? (blinds 50/100)? appologies if im wrong :-X No, were 2 levels in, i.e. were just starting the 3rd level so blinds at 100/200 Oh I see, misread it. Hmmmm yeh i probably call pre then if I percieved the other players as weak but still dont call the flop bet for previous reasons. Oh and LOL at your other hand, OBVIOUSLY you just flop the nuts, was gonna post on that hand aswell but everyones beat me to it and dont wanna be a +1er on every thread! Dont forget having the blockers to the straight flush ;) Title: Re: GUKPT Cov - Hand 1 Post by: Mitch on May 24, 2010, 06:59:14 PM Thort is was level 2? (blinds 50/100)? appologies if im wrong :-X No, were 2 levels in, i.e. were just starting the 3rd level so blinds at 100/200 Oh I see, misread it. Hmmmm yeh i probably call pre then if I percieved the other players as weak but still dont call the flop bet for previous reasons. Oh and LOL at your other hand, OBVIOUSLY you just flop the nuts, was gonna post on that hand aswell but everyones beat me to it and dont wanna be a +1er on every thread! Dont forget having the blockers to the straight flush ;) Didnt even look for that, just presumed you would have. |