Title: Small Stakes Cash River Decision Post by: Bongo on May 24, 2010, 02:54:14 AM .10/.25 full tilt rush.
I've not played in ages and figured I could do with some practice before the bash. I'm not sure I got this one right - what would you do? No stats/reads on the player involved. Seat 1: plzjustHOLD ($39.32) Seat 2: OsmBsmY ($34.26) Seat 3: Stangirl ($42.20) Seat 4: Bongomatic ($66.96) Seat 5: herminator123 ($71.17) Seat 6: MarkSKiii ($32.48) MarkSKiii posts the small blind of $0.10 plzjustHOLD posts the big blind of $0.25 The button is in seat #5 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Bongomatic Jh Qh OsmBsmY raises to $0.50 Stangirl folds Bongomatic calls $0.50 herminator123 folds MarkSKiii folds plzjustHOLD folds *** FLOP *** 5h 2h 9s OsmBsmY bets $0.75 Bongomatic calls $0.75 *** TURN *** 5h 2h 9s Kd OsmBsmY bets $1.25 Bongomatic calls $1.25 *** RIVER *** 5h 2h 9s Kd Ahrt OsmBsmY bets $3.12 Bongomatic raises to $7 OsmBsmY raises to $31.44 Title: Re: Small Stakes Cash River Decision Post by: George2Loose on May 24, 2010, 03:10:54 AM call. If he's got it it's a cooler
Title: Re: Small Stakes Cash River Decision Post by: AlexMartin on May 24, 2010, 03:17:03 AM river sizing has fked up the hand, got to call now.
Title: Re: Small Stakes Cash River Decision Post by: poonjoe on May 24, 2010, 12:28:19 PM call
Title: Re: Small Stakes Cash River Decision Post by: Bongo on May 24, 2010, 01:00:47 PM river sizing has fked up the hand, got to call now. You mean I should have bet more? Title: Re: Small Stakes Cash River Decision Post by: pleno1 on May 24, 2010, 02:09:18 PM guy raised utg, bet 3 streets. Ah is on the board, we have the jh and qh, so he has to have a kh xh combo to beat us so it;s really really hard for him to have a hand here. call
Title: Re: Small Stakes Cash River Decision Post by: AlexMartin on May 24, 2010, 05:22:29 PM river sizing has fked up the hand, got to call now. You mean I should have bet more? yer, u basically minraise the river when u hit, villain can think ur value raising worse and ship worse for value. If u raise to 13 and he jams, then we can think about folding. Title: Re: Small Stakes Cash River Decision Post by: Simon Galloway on May 24, 2010, 05:24:53 PM river sizing has fked up the hand, got to call now. You mean I should have bet more? yer, u basically minraise the river when u hit, villain can think ur value raising worse and ship worse for value. If u raise to 13 and he jams, then we can think about folding. But then call anyway. Title: Re: Small Stakes Cash River Decision Post by: AlexMartin on May 24, 2010, 05:29:12 PM river sizing has fked up the hand, got to call now. You mean I should have bet more? yer, u basically minraise the river when u hit, villain can think ur value raising worse and ship worse for value. If u raise to 13 and he jams, then we can think about folding. But then call anyway. probably, someone told me a wicked secret that increases your winrate exponentially. If you fold to a river bet you cant win the pot! Title: Re: Small Stakes Cash River Decision Post by: Bongo on May 24, 2010, 06:12:43 PM I bet so little because I didn't think he had anything and wanted to get something. Lesson learnt - bet properly in future!
I don't get his bet sizing on the end though. If he thinks I'm weak because of my small bet then why does he bet so much (1 1/3 of the pot at that stage)? If he wants me to call (and thinks I'm weak) you'd think he'd bet less. If he doesn't want me to call why bet so much? Title: Re: Small Stakes Cash River Decision Post by: GreekStein on May 24, 2010, 09:44:43 PM I bet so little because I didn't think he had anything So you expect him to call with nothing? Title: Re: Small Stakes Cash River Decision Post by: Bongo on May 24, 2010, 10:53:33 PM Stranger things have happened...
If he had a 1 pair type hand he's probably not going to like the river much so my thoughts were a small bet and I might get a crying call. If I thought I'd played the hand well I wouldn't be posting it! ;) Title: Re: Small Stakes Cash River Decision Post by: GreekStein on May 24, 2010, 11:22:04 PM Stranger things have happened... If he had a 1 pair type hand he's probably not going to like the river much so my thoughts were a small bet and I might get a crying call. If I thought I'd played the hand well I wouldn't be posting it! ;) wasn't critiquing that Bongo, just getting you to analyse your thinking Title: Re: Small Stakes Cash River Decision Post by: Rod on May 25, 2010, 12:03:35 AM .10/.25 full tilt rush. I've not played in ages and figured I could do with some practice before the bash. I'm not sure I got this one right - what would you do? No stats/reads on the player involved. Seat 1: plzjustHOLD ($39.32) Seat 2: OsmBsmY ($34.26) Seat 3: Stangirl ($42.20) Seat 4: Bongomatic ($66.96) Seat 5: herminator123 ($71.17) Seat 6: MarkSKiii ($32.48) MarkSKiii posts the small blind of $0.10 plzjustHOLD posts the big blind of $0.25 The button is in seat #5 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Bongomatic Jh Qh OsmBsmY raises to $0.50 Stangirl folds Bongomatic calls $0.50 herminator123 folds MarkSKiii folds plzjustHOLD folds *** FLOP *** 5h 2h 9s OsmBsmY bets $0.75 Bongomatic calls $0.75 *** TURN *** 5h 2h 9s Kd OsmBsmY bets $1.25 Bongomatic calls $1.25 *** RIVER *** 5h 2h 9s Kd Ahrt OsmBsmY bets $3.12 Bongomatic raises to $7 OsmBsmY raises to $31.44 This is an interesting hand. He has min-raised from UTG and you have called from the button. No problem with any of this so far, although he could have almost any two cards with that raise, really can't narrow his range much at all. He could have a big pair and be hoping for a reraise, he could just have two big cards like AQ or AJ or he could also have something like suited connectors here. Medium pairs could also go in his range. Really hard to narrow him down much. After the flop we have a pot of $1.35 and he bets $0.75. This could be a continuation bet, your call is fine (you could raise here but you are I presume hoping to hit and win a big pot). We still don't know what he could have at this stage as basically we have seen a raise a continuation bet, even if they are a bit small. Pot is now $2.85 and the turn misses our flush draw but brings the Kd. That does not complete anything. We face another bet of $1.25 and again call. At this point he has raised preflop and has made a couple of slightly weak continuation type bets. We have now built a pot of $5.35. At these stakes it suggests he has something of a hand. He could have caught the King on the turn I guess or he could have the flush draw. he could have raised the min with a small pair and made a set. He still might have a weak hand or air. When the Ace hits the river you make the flush. He bets a third time. OK, I now think he has a hand. At this level you see c-bets on the flop all the time. You see quite a few double barrell bluffs but when they bet the third time it usually means they have the hand on the river. You can therefore afford to raise quite strongly.I probably make it about $12 there. After he goes allin. If I had to put him on a hand of some kind I believe he has something like 2 pair, a set or some kind of flush. The range is so wide that we can't put him on the nut flush. It was also our plan to win a big pot when we called on the flop - well now we have the chance. If he has the King high flush or some silly straight flush somehow then nothing we can do but he shoves with much worse here so its a pretty easy call. Title: Re: Small Stakes Cash River Decision Post by: Bongo on May 27, 2010, 12:15:13 AM I folded. Sigh. Knew I mangled it! :D Title: Re: Small Stakes Cash River Decision Post by: pleno1 on May 27, 2010, 02:11:33 PM i just cant see how we can fold. what Kh x hands is possible?
Title: Re: Small Stakes Cash River Decision Post by: Bongo on May 28, 2010, 01:34:56 PM It's what happens when your thought process isn't right...
First big decision given to me since I restarted playing and I have been trying to be more conservative than normal. Still it could turn out to be a profitable decision if I improve my game because of it :) Title: Re: Small Stakes Cash River Decision Post by: BulldozerD on May 28, 2010, 01:39:14 PM just read this - wow how can you fold the river.
more likely lower flush than KTss i would imagine Title: Re: Small Stakes Cash River Decision Post by: Skgv on May 29, 2010, 10:53:29 PM It's what happens when your thought process isn't right... when i first saw this post about the hand i couldnt believe it was worth the time of saying at these stakes just call quickly an next hand but when u play higher limits that is a big headed way to think an of coursethe wrong way! wow just insulted myself i think!!! But this is not ball sucking but Keys response is absolutly legendary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ROFL...........First big decision given to me since I restarted playing and I have been trying to be more conservative than normal. Still it could turn out to be a profitable decision if I improve my game because of it :) I like that attitude. Hopefully now after your 2nd post saying "yeah i played it bad", there won't be any more people coming on to say "wow you played it bad". Title: Re: Small Stakes Cash River Decision Post by: Skgv on May 29, 2010, 11:00:56 PM It's what happens when your thought process isn't right... when i first saw this post about the hand i couldnt believe it was worth the time of saying at these stakes just call quickly an next hand but when u play higher limits that is a big headed way to think an of coursethe wrong way! wow just insulted myself i think!!! But this is not ball sucking but Keys response is absolutly legendary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ROFL...........First big decision given to me since I restarted playing and I have been trying to be more conservative than normal. Still it could turn out to be a profitable decision if I improve my game because of it :) obv the middle quote is mine I like that attitude. Hopefully now after your 2nd post saying "yeah i played it bad", there won't be any more people coming on to say "wow you played it bad". |