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Title: DTD Cash Hand
Post by: Blatch on June 05, 2010, 05:36:03 PM
Playing at dee tea dee the other night and playing at a pretty tough 1/2 game with Bedi, Mitch, Thewy and a few local regs.

Pretty early on and no real reads on villain apart from he had been playing very abc and pretty tight.

Folded to me in MP and raise to 10 with  Ks Kh and pick up 3 callers including button and both blinds.

Flop  Qs 9h 4s, both blinds check and I lead for 30.

BB calls.

Turn is  3d, bb checks, I bet 55, he calls.

River  2s, bb checks.

Action on me, pot is around 210 and ive around 300 left, villain playing a remaining stack of about 160.

Whats my play?


Title: Re: DTD Cash Hand
Post by: Girgy85 on June 05, 2010, 06:07:34 PM
Check


Title: Re: DTD Cash Hand
Post by: LeedsRhodesy on June 05, 2010, 06:26:39 PM
Check



this


Title: Re: DTD Cash Hand
Post by: Blatch on June 05, 2010, 06:27:28 PM
Check

Great answer - y?

Any particular reason?


Title: Re: DTD Cash Hand
Post by: LeedsRhodesy on June 05, 2010, 06:36:11 PM

quite easy he could have AQ QK 10J QJ but if you bet you might aswell make it £160 cos he is not going to call £120-£130 he is going to get all his chips in the pot,  £210 is nice for early start, the  flush has hit so you don't know now your winning the hand so thats why i would check


Title: Re: DTD Cash Hand
Post by: Skippy on June 05, 2010, 07:05:40 PM
I think this is a standard only getting called by better hands spot, isn't it? What can he have that either a) is better than you but will fold or b) is worse than you but will still call a bet?


Title: Re: DTD Cash Hand
Post by: Girgy85 on June 05, 2010, 07:13:55 PM
I think this is a standard only getting called by better hands spot, isn't it? What can he have that either a) is better than you but will fold or b) is worse than you but will still call a bet?

 Aspades Xs,  Ts Js , 5s 6s,  9c 9d,  4c 4c all possible hands villian might call with pre


Title: Re: DTD Cash Hand
Post by: Blatch on June 05, 2010, 07:25:37 PM
I think this is a standard only getting called by better hands spot, isn't it? What can he have that either a) is better than you but will fold or b) is worse than you but will still call a bet?

 Aspades Xs,  Ts Js , 5s 6s,  9c 9d,  4c 4c all possible hands villian might call with pre


Does As Xs check the river to me?
Surely JsTs check raises the flop or tries to get it in at some point?
Any set surely doesnt check call 2 streets?


Title: Re: DTD Cash Hand
Post by: paulhouk03 on June 05, 2010, 07:28:29 PM
All sets will raise on flop or turn so I think u can disclose sets
Ax spades might raise on flop
Meh I still shove doubt tight abc rocks will be check calling all the way through with 2 pair or a set
And checks when made flush on river

But I think checking is ok also


Title: Re: DTD Cash Hand
Post by: paulhouk03 on June 05, 2010, 07:30:57 PM
Also I would get a pic and autograph of local celeb mitch


Title: Re: DTD Cash Hand
Post by: GreekStein on June 05, 2010, 07:31:36 PM
With Villain only having less than a pot sized bet I'd expect him to lead a flush here and to have raised you on flop or turn if you were beat already so I'm valuebetting here sometimes but dependent on opponent obv


Title: Re: DTD Cash Hand
Post by: byronkincaid on June 05, 2010, 07:35:51 PM
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b) is worse than you but will still call a bet?

AQ?



Title: Re: DTD Cash Hand
Post by: GreekStein on June 06, 2010, 02:26:44 AM
I check. He's not calling worse so it's a negative freeroll, regardless of how rarely he has you beat.

Its so opponent dependent though. Against a lot of opponents you're going to check quickly, against others I'd be making a bet.


Title: Re: DTD Cash Hand
Post by: George2Loose on June 06, 2010, 01:16:02 PM
Hi stack size makes it awkward to bet/fold this spot so I probably check behind.


Title: Re: DTD Cash Hand
Post by: Skippy on June 06, 2010, 02:36:51 PM
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b) is worse than you but will still call a bet?

AQ?



That's about the only possibility, but it's a pretty terrifying board for TPTK.


Title: Re: DTD Cash Hand
Post by: Girgy85 on June 06, 2010, 02:41:29 PM
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b) is worse than you but will still call a bet?

AQ?



That's about the only possibility, but it's a pretty terrifying board for TPTK.

would fit the check/call, check/call, check and don't think villain pays our bet off on the river!


Title: Re: DTD Cash Hand
Post by: Mitch on June 07, 2010, 05:59:34 PM
Who was the villain?


Title: Re: DTD Cash Hand
Post by: Blatch on June 07, 2010, 06:02:00 PM
Who was the villain?

Seat 5 or 6.  Cant remember if there was someone between you and him or not.


Title: Re: DTD Cash Hand
Post by: George2Loose on June 07, 2010, 06:04:11 PM
Who was the villain?

Seat 5 or 6.  Cant remember if there was someone between you and him or not.

Don't think Mitch had joined us by then


Title: Re: DTD Cash Hand
Post by: George2Loose on June 07, 2010, 06:05:38 PM
Had an interesting hand against Mitch last night.

We managed to get into a 250 big blind pot yesterday pre yesterday. Hands were top quality.


Title: Re: DTD Cash Hand
Post by: paulhouk03 on June 07, 2010, 06:07:35 PM
Had an interesting hand against Mitch last night.

We managed to get into a 250 big blind pot yesterday pre yesterday. Hands were top quality.
sooooooooooooooo


Title: Re: DTD Cash Hand
Post by: kinboshi on June 07, 2010, 06:09:29 PM
Who was the villain?

Seat 5 or 6.  Cant remember if there was someone between you and him or not.

Probably Mitch's food between you both.


As for the hand, it has to be a check as surely you're losing less value from the times you miss a value bet (and get a call), than the amount you are losing from the times you're facing a better hand?


Title: Re: DTD Cash Hand
Post by: Cf on June 07, 2010, 06:50:56 PM
Who was the villain?

Seat 5 or 6.  Cant remember if there was someone between you and him or not.

Probably Mitch's food between you both.


As for the hand, it has to be a check as surely you're losing less value from the times you miss a value bet (and get a call), than the amount you are losing from the times you're facing a better hand?

+1



Title: Re: DTD Cash Hand
Post by: George2Loose on June 07, 2010, 07:06:31 PM
to be fair Boshi probably limps pre. And folds if he's check raised on the flop


Title: Re: DTD Cash Hand
Post by: kinboshi on June 07, 2010, 07:34:36 PM
to be fair Boshi probably limps pre. And folds if he's check raised on the flop

Open fold pre, ldo.


Title: Re: DTD Cash Hand
Post by: titaniumbean on June 07, 2010, 08:41:39 PM
to be fair Boshi probably limps pre. And folds if he's check raised on the flop

Open fold pre, ldo.


oi only I have the skill to pull that off!  ;tk;


Title: Re: DTD Cash Hand
Post by: kinboshi on June 08, 2010, 11:16:20 AM
to be fair Boshi probably limps pre. And folds if he's check raised on the flop

Open fold pre, ldo.


oi only I have the skill to pull that off!  ;tk;

You've taken it to the next level.  Raise pre, then open fold on the flop.  That's what I aspire to.


Title: Re: DTD Cash Hand
Post by: titaniumbean on June 08, 2010, 12:52:26 PM
to be fair Boshi probably limps pre. And folds if he's check raised on the flop

Open fold pre, ldo.


oi only I have the skill to pull that off!  ;tk;

You've taken it to the next level.  Raise pre, then open fold on the flop.  That's what I aspire to.

You've got to make sure you are balanced boshi. One day you will get it and NL100 will respect you, till then just keep on dreaming.


Title: Re: DTD Cash Hand
Post by: Mitch on June 08, 2010, 04:49:19 PM
Had an interesting hand against Mitch last night.

We managed to get into a 250 big blind pot yesterday pre yesterday. Hands were top quality.
sooooooooooooooo

It was a 400BB+ pot actually. I snapped with a far superior hand and he got there.

so sick.


Title: Re: DTD Cash Hand
Post by: George2Loose on June 08, 2010, 04:52:56 PM
Had an interesting hand against Mitch last night.

We managed to get into a 250 big blind pot yesterday pre yesterday. Hands were top quality.
sooooooooooooooo

It was a 400BB+ pot actually. I snapped with a far superior hand and he got there.

so sick.

I meant 250 big blinds each

You shoudl have known the button had folded 10s


Title: Re: DTD Cash Hand
Post by: Mitch on June 08, 2010, 04:58:25 PM
Had an interesting hand against Mitch last night.

We managed to get into a 250 big blind pot yesterday pre yesterday. Hands were top quality.
sooooooooooooooo

It was a 400BB+ pot actually. I snapped with a far superior hand and he got there.

so sick.

I meant 250 big blinds each

You shoudl have known the button had folded 10s

But i had you on 5 or 6 high so had to go with my read.

Knew my 10 high was good enough to get it in with. Just had one of those outerbody feelings.

Plus i had a 3 with it, so had a blocker to you making a straight.


Title: Re: DTD Cash Hand
Post by: George2Loose on June 08, 2010, 05:05:37 PM
Had an interesting hand against Mitch last night.

We managed to get into a 250 big blind pot yesterday pre yesterday. Hands were top quality.
sooooooooooooooo

It was a 400BB+ pot actually. I snapped with a far superior hand and he got there.

so sick.

I meant 250 big blinds each

You shoudl have known the button had folded 10s

But i had you on 5 or 6 high so had to go with my read.

Knew my 10 high was good enough to get it in with. Just had one of those outerbody feelings.

Plus i had a 3 with it, so had a blocker to you making a straight.

10 3 is actually the nuts in Leicester pity your from scummy Derby


Title: Re: DTD Cash Hand
Post by: GreekStein on June 09, 2010, 12:57:45 AM
50p from each of you for the leicester and derby badbeat stories


Title: Re: DTD Cash Hand
Post by: desperadogm on June 09, 2010, 06:10:54 PM
Was villain the guy in his thirties with the hat on? If so then betting this river is 100% a bluff. From playing a few weeks with him, he is probably the tightest, most scared money at the table by a long way.
Half potting the turn is probably a mistake.
-seat 4


Title: Re: DTD Cash Hand
Post by: George2Loose on June 09, 2010, 07:26:13 PM
Was villain the guy in his thirties with the hat on? If so then betting this river is 100% a bluff. From playing a few weeks with him, he is probably the tightest, most scared money at the table by a long way.
Half potting the turn is probably a mistake.
-seat 4

Listen to this guy. He calls with 4 high flush draws and is right.