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Title: Serious poker advice required
Post by: Matt50 on June 17, 2010, 11:38:27 AM
As the thread title suggests i am in need of some serious poker advice.
I am suffering a terrible run at the moment which has been going on for about 4-5 months.  I play MTT's normally between 3 and 5 times a week, not a huge volume, generally between 3 and 6 tourneys a night.
Up until this bad run i was at an average ROI of between 30 and 40% and ITM was always at 20% or higher.  This year i am running at -64% and ITM is 16% (which is even higher than i thought!).
I know the reasons for this, i have suffered more bad beats than i care to remember and cannot win a race at all, even when 70/30 favourite.

So the advice i am looking for is the best way to change it.  I tried stopping for a week and came back but nothing changed, so after a while i stopped for almost 2 weeks.  There is still no change though.  I tried playing on a different site but the same happened. I have had to reduce my buy-ins by half as my banfroll dimenshies so i am playing smaller buy in tourneys.

Should i just try to play my way through it, or should i look at taking an extended break?


Title: Re: Serious poker advice required
Post by: BAM on June 17, 2010, 11:52:03 AM
As the thread title suggests i am in need of some serious poker advice.
I am suffering a terrible run at the moment which has been going on for about 4-5 months.  I play MTT's normally between 3 and 5 times a week, not a huge volume, generally between 3 and 6 tourneys a night.
Up until this bad run i was at an average ROI of between 30 and 40% and ITM was always at 20% or higher.  This year i am running at -64% and ITM is 16% (which is even higher than i thought!).
I know the reasons for this, i have suffered more bad beats than i care to remember and cannot win a race at all, even when 70/30 favourite.

So the advice i am looking for is the best way to change it.  I tried stopping for a week and came back but nothing changed, so after a while i stopped for almost 2 weeks.  There is still no change though.  I tried playing on a different site but the same happened. I have had to reduce my buy-ins by half as my banfroll dimenshies so i am playing smaller buy in tourneys.

Should i just try to play my way through it, or should i look at taking an extended break?

There are no such things as bad beats and this surely cannot be the sole reason?

Do you use HEM have you analysed your leaks?

Breaks are good as long as you use the time wisely eg books, training sites, blogs etc just having a break and not studying the game and then picking up where you left off is bad


Title: Re: Serious poker advice required
Post by: GreekStein on June 17, 2010, 12:09:07 PM
wow Bam makes his first serious post on blonde. He def did it with a smile imo.

Yeah Matt, use training sites. Do you ever post any hands on PHA?


Title: Re: Serious poker advice required
Post by: BAM on June 17, 2010, 12:31:34 PM
wow Bam makes his first serious post on blonde. He def did it with a smile imo.

Yeah Matt, use training sites. Do you ever post any hands on PHA?

Get off I was serious when I called you a greekgrimmingfuck  ;)


Title: Re: Serious poker advice required
Post by: Boba Fett on June 17, 2010, 12:39:08 PM
Every MTT'ers goes through a prolonged period where they feel like they cannot win a hand/tourney at some point or another.  My advice is to play through it, if you feel like you're still playing close to your best and that your recents results isnt sending you insane to the point where its affecting how you play then volume is the best way to get through it.


Title: Re: Serious poker advice required
Post by: Geo the Sarge on June 17, 2010, 12:42:31 PM
Every MTT'ers goes through a prolonged period where they feel like they cannot win a hand/tourney at some point or another.  My advice is to play through it, if you feel like you're still playing close to your best and that your recents results isnt sending you insane to the point where its affecting how you play then volume is the best way to get through it.

Very much this Matt.

You've previously proven yourself to be a decent player.

Geo


Title: Re: Serious poker advice required
Post by: outragous76 on June 17, 2010, 12:43:20 PM
Every MTT'ers goes through a prolonged period where they feel like they cannot win a hand/tourney at some point or another.  My advice is to play through it, if you feel like you're still playing close to your best and that your recents results isnt sending you insane to the point where its affecting how you play then volume is the best way to get through it.

i like this advice. I also try to reduce my buy ins thourhg this pahse, so that the beats feel slightly less brutal, the winless streak costs less, and the opponents are slightly worse


Title: Re: Serious poker advice required
Post by: Matt50 on June 17, 2010, 01:07:41 PM
Thanks for the advice, playing through it was kinda what i was hoping to hear as i do believe that i am still playing well and that it has to change soon.
 
I may start posting some hands on PHA as well just to get some additional views on some hands.


Title: Re: Serious poker advice required
Post by: BulldozerD on June 17, 2010, 01:16:04 PM
if you do play through it though, make sure your decision making process etc is not being affected by your bad run of results. It can be possible that you become more timid (not restealing, taking flips etc) because of the effect of your bad run. So analysing your play is important.

Sometimes a rest is as good as a change and i have found taking a break from playing can help


Title: Re: Serious poker advice required
Post by: EvilPie on June 17, 2010, 02:40:10 PM
Lol at BAM even looking at a thread asking for serious advice never mind actually posting on it.


Title: Re: Serious poker advice required
Post by: Murph1984 on June 17, 2010, 02:48:36 PM
Every MTT'ers goes through a prolonged period where they feel like they cannot win a hand/tourney at some point or another.  My advice is to play through it, if you feel like you're still playing close to your best and that your recents results isnt sending you insane to the point where its affecting how you play then volume is the best way to get through it.

i like this advice. I also try to reduce my buy ins thourhg this pahse, so that the beats feel slightly less brutal, the winless streak costs less, and the opponents are slightly worse

There is really no need to do this unless the downswing has resulted in

a)your play diminishing due to confidence taking a hit

or

b) you no longer being properly rolled for the same buy-ins

If neither of the above are true then you should just carry on as normal,otherwise the only result is that you will often win less when the luck changes for the better than you would if you had remained playing your normal buy-ins.


Title: Re: Serious poker advice required
Post by: thetank on June 17, 2010, 03:15:22 PM
aye keep at it


Title: Re: Serious poker advice required
Post by: Matt50 on June 23, 2010, 10:37:50 PM
Things have improved slightly but this is the kind of thing that keeps happening!!!


Full Tilt Poker Game #21829501878: MSOP Event #42 (164470524), Table 14 - 120/240 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:20:19 ET - 2010/06/23
Seat 1: Kotofej (3,780)
Seat 2: slouch (5,344)
Seat 3: refloosh (7,021)
Seat 4: bigtimpin420 (7,105)
Seat 5: debglen (4,523)
Seat 6: CSykes24 (3,492)
Seat 7: Matth50 (11,155)
Seat 8: A_COPAS (10,400)
Seat 9: Reuch (965), is sitting out
Kotofej antes 25
slouch antes 25
refloosh antes 25
bigtimpin420 antes 25
debglen antes 25
CSykes24 antes 25
Matth50 antes 25
A_COPAS antes 25
Reuch antes 25
CSykes24 posts the small blind of 120
Matth50 posts the big blind of 240
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Matth50 [Kh Ks]
A_COPAS folds
Reuch folds
Kotofej folds
slouch has 15 seconds left to act
slouch folds
refloosh folds
bigtimpin420 folds
debglen folds
CSykes24 raises to 3,467, and is all in
Matth50 calls 3,227
CSykes24 shows [9c Js]
Matth50 shows [Kh Ks]
*** FLOP *** [Ah Jh 4c]
*** TURN *** [Ah Jh 4c] [9h]
*** RIVER *** [Ah Jh 4c 9h] [5c]
CSykes24 shows two pair, Jacks and Nines
Matth50 shows a pair of Kings
CSykes24 wins the pot (7,159) with two pair, Jacks and Nines
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7,159 | Rake 0
Board: [Ah Jh 4c 9h 5c]
Seat 1: Kotofej folded before the Flop
Seat 2: slouch folded before the Flop
Seat 3: refloosh folded before the Flop
Seat 4: bigtimpin420 folded before the Flop
Seat 5: debglen (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: CSykes24 (small blind) showed [9c Js] and won (7,159) with two pair, Jacks and Nines
Seat 7: Matth50 (big blind) showed [Kh Ks] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 8: A_COPAS folded before the Flop
Seat 9: Reuch folded before the Flop


Title: Re: Serious poker advice required
Post by: Ironside on June 23, 2010, 11:25:31 PM
matt i went through a period of about 2 years like this

just make sure your minds in right place when you do play

make sure your still enjoying it

and just forget the beats when they happen

eventually variance will swing back in your favour and

you have to make sure your head is in right place to

capitialise on this when i happens


Title: Re: Serious poker advice required
Post by: Matt50 on June 25, 2010, 08:42:55 PM
Trying to play through it but its not easy!!!!
I think this is what you call a bad beat BAM!

okerStars Game #45980483508: Tournament #317010495, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (60/120) - 2010/06/25 15:26:17 ET
Table '317010495 128' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Matth50 (5700 in chips)
Seat 2: Gamdek (9725 in chips)
Seat 3: joggybear (3560 in chips)
Seat 4: vrest (3035 in chips)
Seat 5: RdrLuv (21784 in chips)
Seat 6: dancy17 (5860 in chips)
Seat 7: X-Lobezno (5372 in chips)
Seat 8: m0nkeyflush (7025 in chips)
Seat 9: AfterBeatMSc (2635 in chips)
Matth50: posts the ante 15
Gamdek: posts the ante 15
joggybear: posts the ante 15
vrest: posts the ante 15
RdrLuv: posts the ante 15
dancy17: posts the ante 15
X-Lobezno: posts the ante 15
m0nkeyflush: posts the ante 15
AfterBeatMSc: posts the ante 15
RdrLuv: posts small blind 60
dancy17: posts big blind 120
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Matth50 [Js Ac]
X-Lobezno: folds
m0nkeyflush: folds
AfterBeatMSc: folds
Matth50: raises 240 to 360
Gamdek: folds
joggybear: folds
vrest: folds
RdrLuv: calls 300
dancy17: folds
*** FLOP *** [Jh As 2h]
RdrLuv: checks
Matth50: bets 360
RdrLuv: calls 360
*** TURN *** [Jh As 2h]
RdrLuv: bets 840
Matth50: raises 4125 to 4965 and is all-in
RdrLuv: calls 4125
*** RIVER *** [Jh As 2h Td] [Th]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
RdrLuv: shows [Tc Ad] (a full house, Tens full of Aces)
Matth50: shows [Js Ac] (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
RdrLuv collected 11625 from pot
Matth50 finished the tournament in 2181st place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 11625 | Rake 0
Board [Jh As 2h Td Th]
Seat 1: Matth50 showed [Js Ac] and lost with two pair, Aces and Jacks
Seat 2: Gamdek folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: joggybear folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: vrest (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: RdrLuv (small blind) showed [Tc Ad] and won (11625) with a full house, Tens full of Aces
Seat 6: dancy17 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: X-Lobezno folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: m0nkeyflush folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: AfterBeatMSc folded before Flop (didn't bet)


Title: Re: Serious poker advice required
Post by: outragous76 on June 25, 2010, 09:06:22 PM
50p pls


Title: Re: Serious poker advice required
Post by: Royal Flush on June 25, 2010, 09:23:07 PM
Trying to play through it but its not easy!!!!
I think this is what you call a bad beat BAM!

okerStars Game #45980483508: Tournament #317010495, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (60/120) - 2010/06/25 15:26:17 ET
Table '317010495 128' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Matth50 (5700 in chips)
Seat 2: Gamdek (9725 in chips)
Seat 3: joggybear (3560 in chips)
Seat 4: vrest (3035 in chips)
Seat 5: RdrLuv (21784 in chips)
Seat 6: dancy17 (5860 in chips)
Seat 7: X-Lobezno (5372 in chips)
Seat 8: m0nkeyflush (7025 in chips)
Seat 9: AfterBeatMSc (2635 in chips)
Matth50: posts the ante 15
Gamdek: posts the ante 15
joggybear: posts the ante 15
vrest: posts the ante 15
RdrLuv: posts the ante 15
dancy17: posts the ante 15
X-Lobezno: posts the ante 15
m0nkeyflush: posts the ante 15
AfterBeatMSc: posts the ante 15
RdrLuv: posts small blind 60
dancy17: posts big blind 120
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Matth50 [Js Ac]
X-Lobezno: folds
m0nkeyflush: folds
AfterBeatMSc: folds
Matth50: raises 240 to 360
Gamdek: folds
joggybear: folds
vrest: folds
RdrLuv: calls 300
dancy17: folds
*** FLOP *** [Jh As 2h]
RdrLuv: checks
Matth50: bets 360
RdrLuv: calls 360
*** TURN *** [Jh As 2h]
RdrLuv: bets 840
Matth50: raises 4125 to 4965 and is all-in
RdrLuv: calls 4125
*** RIVER *** [Jh As 2h Td] [Th]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
RdrLuv: shows [Tc Ad] (a full house, Tens full of Aces)
Matth50: shows [Js Ac] (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
RdrLuv collected 11625 from pot
Matth50 finished the tournament in 2181st place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 11625 | Rake 0
Board [Jh As 2h Td Th]
Seat 1: Matth50 showed [Js Ac] and lost with two pair, Aces and Jacks
Seat 2: Gamdek folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: joggybear folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: vrest (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: RdrLuv (small blind) showed [Tc Ad] and won (11625) with a full house, Tens full of Aces
Seat 6: dancy17 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: X-Lobezno folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: m0nkeyflush folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: AfterBeatMSc folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Raise less pre, flat the turn imo


Title: Re: Serious poker advice required
Post by: Doobs on June 25, 2010, 11:25:11 PM
I always take a break, or drop levels or switch games (MTTs to Cash or omaha) if on a bad run.  I just assumed most people did.   

I just read the original post and you cash in over 20%.  Are you playing a bit too nitty, and getting in the cash with a short stack too much?

The AJ hand is a bit weird.  Do you always continuation bet the flop so small?


Title: Re: Serious poker advice required
Post by: leethefish on June 26, 2010, 11:12:41 AM
Matth50 finished the tournament in 2181st place
i found when running really bad this don't help playing on stars and getting through thousands of players all the time
a suggestion play on maybe dtd 100 200 runners insted of 1000+