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Intresting spot came up last night at the £100 freezeout in Blackpool.

Blinds are 400/800/50 around 50 runners left from 77.

I'm sb 35k, Bb 8k, Villain in Late pos 50k+ (newish to table, just seen him bet out bb in prev hand both had AK)

Late pos limps for 800
I flat in sb with 5 2o, bb checks.

Flop 2 5 J rainbow

how do we proceed?

Fold pre

Now bet 1650

If you missed you would presumably check.

Therefore check.

Norrrrrrr Evil. Lead please Girgy.

Depends really on how often Girgy limps from the SB.

I assume if he does it with 52 he's doing it quite often so he should be mixing up his post flop tactics.

Impossible to say what the best thing to do here is without knowing what Girgy has done at other times.

I don't like leading on this board because chances are nobody's hit any of it and will just pass unless they decide to bluff.

There's no straight draws for hands that are in the pot so unless there's at least a flush draw out there I'm always checking this without some history of always limp leading the SB.

was a rainbow board! Sorry missed that point!

i'd lead this board with air because as you say, not many people can hit this board hard. so i'm def leading with value hands too.

Yeah so if Girgy always leads he should lead now.

If he usually checks he has to check here.

I tend to mix it up!

On this occasion I led for 2.6k. Had a feeling sb was jamming any pair. Sb did jam but to my suprise the late pos limper now rejams!! So what now ???

On a board this dry insta snap fold.

If you're really lucky you're up against JQ and a pair and even then you're not a big favourite.

I'm guessing you're crushed.

This is why you pass 25o pre. Even when it hits 2 pair you hate life when there's huge action on the flop.

one of the guys who shoved has 10bbs fwiw, I call here, then win the tournament if I hold up.

Im probs a little sick on the table, I dont think its a clear fold but Im not happy.
2.6 is far too big imo also

What are we losing to?

I would call. You think sb jams any pair, and with 10bb's he prob does have a wide range. So button villain doesn't need to be massive to iso here. In fact I reckon just tp does it. The board is dry so villain flats his big hands imo. And can't see how he open limps with a pair or with J5/J2 out of a 50k stack. Or why he jams a set? Yeah, snap his mofo arm off.

No idea tbh.

Maybe it's a call but I don't like it.

I guess BB is jamming wide so button can iso pretty wide but surely he's not jamming 30k effective with just the J?

Would need to be actually sat at the table to make a decision here but based purely on action I still say fold.

Don't really like how the hand has played out so far. This is pretty much always a fold pre, since bb is probabaly jamming a wide range pre. Also, this move could have been anticipated by the limper, who has limped to induce a jam from the bb since there is so much money in the middle now.

As for post-flop play, don't really mind a lead or a check here. If you feel the bb is jamming with any piece of the flop/air, then I prefer a check, since you are able to act behind the villain now on this street. It also causes the villain to iso a wider range, than if you lead and bb jams, which means you can snap any iso-jam from villain with two pair here. As played, it probably has to be read dependent, but I think in a comp like this, it's probably safe to assume, villain will iso with just a strong jack. If you think he has jacks, then he probably limps with queens, kings, etc too, so again it makes it a call.

fold pre

bet and fucking snap call

peel pre and check fold flop ldo

lolz, wp toby.

Call pre.

Open shove flop. If not, lead then snap fist pump jam.

Please tell me you didn't fold?

Fold pre, lead out for less on the flop.

snap now please. 

Call.

Then when you win start doing a little rap, something like this:

"Hey my mums called Mama G
But shes never climbed a tree
I love posting on Blonde Poker
Wally Snooper is a SMOKER"

FYP

hahaha much better.

I cant agree with folding pre unless your sure the BB is pushing allin pre.

52 Has so much potential to hit and crush big hands.... and for 500antes +2k youre getting almost 5:1 on your money by calling you could hit trips,straight 2pair on a dry board etc etc and its so disguised so without any table knowledge i think you have to call pre [unless you think bb is pushing]

The BB could have a better 2 pair and you have to be scared of that but i think you have to assume the 50k has aj jk etc maybe because i think he has to raise pre with jj.

So although you may be behind the BB i think your ahead of the 50k villan ... So you have to call for the side pot and the chance your beating both...neither can put you on 2pair especially after the check. So i think the BB Shoves light and the 50k villan re jams fairly light

Fold pre

Lead Flop 3 way.

Snap call, high five dealer, prey you hold etc,  to the reshove.

Berate/ congratulate guy if he somehow has JJ.

the call pre is fine imo


if they c bet alot i would check raise


but if i check and shorty bets and big stack jams i would go probs call cant see us losing to much jj 55 22 j5 j2 (i am not good enough  to fold 2 pairs on a j52 rainbow)

if they are bingo players i would lead out and never fold

Roflcopters at people saying the call pre is good when the whole point of the thread is we flopped the world and still dont have a plan.

"Live players" here check-raise with two pair. They don't expect someone to lead out because they don't like to play post flop and have to make *gasp* decisions. That's why it's an easy snap.

Assuming I sneezed and knocked an extra 400 chips into the pot by mistake when I was about to muck my cards and then flopped this I begin to wonder how someone could now get me to fold this...

Throw dynamite at me? nope, still calling.

Drive a truck in my direction? Nope, getting it in.

Putting a gun to my head? Pretty much fistpumping.

Getting threatened to be taken outside by the men of the Turnstill family? Snap muck.

fold pre ffs but now stop slowrolling

lol girgs. i don't mind limping here if your gonna intend to make some plays postflop, i mean i imagine youve been knitting a sweater all comp 3betting big and check folding a boat load of flops, with your image (which we have to use) i dont mind iso pre but i probs just fold even though playing any hand vs standard £100 fo players is probably profitable for any possessing an IQ in double figures, the sb has probably done a master £100 fo play, limped the AA OTB. if bb and button get creative pre or are stations, check raise and fire,
this really isnt a tough spot m8, so im guessing it must be a beat, he had AA J-ball on the turn, neverends etc.... gg life :(

lol i bet your the guy in the local £10rebuys who rifles through the muck to find the 72o you folded once the flop came down 772

girgy when you going to tell them what you did??  snap call and ran into JJ's wooops (not really buy i know lol)

Agree with the masses here.

Fold pre. Try looking at it this way. Yes, you're getting nice inviting odds to call - but that only applies if the hand ends at this point. It doesn't. We still have 3 streets to play OOP with 52o - why would we want to put ourself into that position?

And to further make the point you've just flopped 2 pair and we're not thrilled about it. Get it in on this board though.

lol, I love that guy!

Trigg is right.

/thread.

I should of folded pre but as played i limped. BB checks his option (BB was down to 300 chips after 10 mins QQ < AA AIFP and had grinded it back upto his 15k stack at one point but was down to around 8k in this hand.)

When i flopped big i was in 2 minds to check call the shortys all in or c/raise the limper OR to lead and snap the shortys shove.

I led the flop for 2.6k and shorty shoved. Limper then reshoved and i tanked for ages. I was snapping the shorty but i went with the fold as i still had above average chips.

Shorty showed 7 5 for middle pair and the limper showed J Q Top pair.

So you've got to fade 7, J, Q + the pair up of whatever the turn brings.

Not much better than a coin flip.

Take it you got beated?

Sorry forgot to say i folded.

But still better than a coinflip, AND getting well over 2/1 on it.

Hell yeah. Going to take it all day if it's offered obviously.

I would sadly have done a Girgy and done a fold before I saw that I was in pretty good shape.

Actually to be honest if for some bizarre reason I've limped 25o I'm never passing if I hit 2 pair.

I've always had this thing where if I've made a big fuck up pre I don't like to compound that error by giving the rest of my chips away. I see the 25o limp as a mistake so I hate getting the lot in to this action.

i'm interested to know what hand you put the limper on to make you decide to fold

Ugh hate this thinking, make the best play for each hand that is how you win donkaments. Not folding because you still have above avg chips at some arbitary point during the tournament.

Hard to put the limper on an exact hand, as he had played less than 10 hands at the table but thought his limp was odd as i hadnt seen him limp before. He could be on 22-JJ, AJ KJ QJ. I think he would raise some of these hand pre tho. My fold decision was probs results orientated.

u need to decide wat ur gonna do when u bet if matey who limps raises or shoves imo. leading then folding to the shove with 2 pr is just lol

girgy you wont like this and i know it looks like i get on your back alot/ bully you but im trying to help. If you keep playing triple figure buyin tournies at your current ability your going busto very soon bud. your oppos range that you stated is weighted in favour of hands you crush yet decide to fold? I think you thought, ive travelled a long way etc.... enjoying the game blah blah zzzzzzz you will never win with this mentality m8, get it out of your system quickly

Cheers Trigg

Pretty much mentality was i didnt wanna go broke. And i know its wrong to play this way. Note taken ;)

Big bully,hows the coat working out for you  ;)

Mr Trigg has taken time out from his birthday celebrations to give you some great advice there girgymeister.

Oh and Happy Birthday Trigger!

girgy i don't know whats worst folding that or folding AQ to a well known Leeds Reg LG

oh you playing tonight?

I didnt fold to LG he was in the pot but was the action before hand that i folded to!

ever seen LG fold his ears in?
the guy is total comedy.

Fold pre, definitely check this flop though with our (fairly shaky) read that villain is fairly aggressive. I'd expect him to fire at this flop if it checks to him almost 100% of the time if he has any awareness of board texture

dont think u can expect button limpers to fire close to 100% here, passive pre passive post is the line a big % will take

also like to know why OP is adamant that bb is jamming flop