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from the $3k wsop event

history is i've opened alot these last 2-3 levels but not everyhand or anything.

villain started the day by spewing about in every pot he could, doing some really stupid stuff like 5betting KTo with no fold equity @ 25/50, 3bet shoving 60bb @ 50/100 with Q2o. however the table was shorthanded for the entire first level and much of the second level.

he has since calmed down considerably but he has 3bet me twice in the last 2 hrs already and there is still a feeling he could just randomly spazz out at any point.


the first time he 3bet me i'd opened utg, i called and check called him down on  Kh 8h 2s Qh  2c his KQo being good.

the second time he 3bet me he was on the button, i called and we checked down to river Jd  9d 3s Qh Jh before i check folded.

i have not been 3bet by any other opponent in the 4-5hrs of play so far, although i played the first 2 levels really tight because the table was 6 handed and going 3/4/5 bet crazy. the table has calmed the reraises down since becoming fullring but i have not witnessed one walk all day so it's still an aggressive table.


anyways the hand...

folds to me i open  Ahrt Th from the hijack to 525 @ 100/200/25 from an 18,000 stack

villain 3bets the button very quickly to 1,200 from a 13,000 stack, blinds (two tight agg players playing 25k and 8k) fold and i call

flop comes Aspades Qd 8h we both check, turn  4c i check again, villain bets 800 into a pot of 2,925. i raise to 2,000 villain calls. river is the  Qs hero bets 3,375, villain shoves for 10,400 hero calls...



felt like i could

a) get the guy to look me up pretty light here with any showdown since i rep nothing and come river every single straight draw missed
b) could get villain to spazz shove since i never have Qx (only houses/quads of which there are very few combo's) and he could very feasibly rep a Q

so, too thin?

A fish supper wivva whaaaat?

Just call the turn ffs lol

hero c/c riv

i think you are looking really well mate, i mean i wouldnt lose any more weight, but def not too thin

It just about seems ok to me, but I'm not entirely sure he'll be pushing with worse too often on the river. You've c/raised the turn and led the river. Suggests you want to get some money into this pot. If he thinks you're doing this with missed draws then he prob just calls (unless he has air and wants to buy the pot). And I don't reckon you're c/raising a gutshot oop on the turn anyway?

I think i'd be check/calling both turn and river here. Villain sounds like he's a bit spewy so we can get chips off him this way. Trapping him is good but I don't think this is the best spot to do it.

Why are we check raising turn?

Villain's turn bet is very small. Although unlikely, suppose he could have flopped a set or have AQ, which he checked flop for deception/whatever reason villain has.

Villain doesn't raise river with anything he feels he could win the pot with, since like you mentioned, you aren't exactly repping a huge deal yourself. So on river, he's either got a total airball, or Qx/house.

In previous hands, you've taken a passive line against him, which could encourage villain to pull a big bluff against you, such as this hand here. I think if you've bet river with intention of inducing random spaz's from villain then you've got that. Really don't like the turn check raise though. Given previous history and villain's tendancy to donate chips, suppose river is a call?

hate turn play.

check/calling turn and river sounds good to me...

Dont think you're hand is strong enough to bet/call river even if he is spewy... seems like a good spot to check and let him bluff at you imo

C-c turn and river. Edit MC got there first

i don't get b) and if i don't get it, i'm not sure villain gets it. are you saying you wouldn't call the 3 bet with KQ, JQ? from your history you have called both his previous 3 bets and checked down with nothing, so from his POV you can't have air here right, so he must have something ???

i don't get this, plz explain

much more to do with my c/r on the turn unlikely to be Qx (except AQ/Q8/Q4/QQ, altho in all likelihood only ever AQ/QQ because of preflop action). as others have shown, the turn c/r with AT is unconventional so to do it with a Q would be even more strange

I am assuming OP would never raise the turn with Qx, as he wouldn't turn qx into a bluff in this spot. Instead would call down.

I agree with your point generally though that I think we are giving villian probably a bit too much credit for being good at hand reading. Therefore is probs not thinking on the same level we are.

ah, i thought Q came on turn

I think in a spot like this, it's all about relative hand strength rather than absolute hand strength. Even though Chris' hand isn't that strong, it's strong enough to be beating all random bluffs.


Having thought about this hand more, I keep going back to why villain bet small on the turn. If the only thing Chris is beating is bluffs on the river when villain raises all in, then does villain really play an air ball like this on the turn? Does he really bet that small on the turn? Isn't villain more likely to bet strong with air balls and draws? I doubt villain bet/calls on the turn with air here like this, and so now even though I liked Chris' play earlier to induce, I think river now is a fold.

I agree with this point. Villain starts the day with some bizarre plays so I think we can use that info to take it down a few levels.

The previous hands played between these two have seen hero take a passive line through the streets. Here hero is c-raising turn and leading river, so generally i'd say villain thinks hero is stronger than before. Why would villain be so sure hero is out of line? By contrast villain has had his spewy aggro moments early in a hand, but vs hero he's been solid/passive down the streets. While his general aggro image can be applied to the river to make a case for being good I don't see proper evidence the guy spews rivers. Looks like a set.

Don't think that villains hand reading skills are required, he just needs to be planning to push the river after your small c-raise on the turn. 

I suppose he might have KK, JJ, or something like that.  What did you put him on?

OK, in relation to the villians likely shoving range when op leads river I dont think our hand is strong enough to call, however checking allows him to fire all those airballs which we do relatively well against :)

I'm not saying check-calling might not be the best option. I'm just saying, if a villain has spew tendancies, then by us betting, it allows us to get more from him. It's like a level 2 post oak bluff. I've used it at times, and it works well. Not sure if this is what Chris was trying to do, but it's a nice little play nonetheless.

not sure about thiis. Turning A10 into a bluff after OP has had a propensity to spew (i.e Q2 shove hand) What if we 4 bet pre like u suggest and he cold calls and the flops comes the same AQx and we have the same difficult spot oop with a slight larger pot. I like the hand as played accept im c/c turn and riv

LOL def someone else using amatay's acct. No way did he just use 'propensity'.

Ha, i'm an educated man Costas. Amatay BSc (HONS), MSc, CertEd. Thats 16 letters after my name son, whereas i'm guessing you just have the four?? Cos Papetits, ****

Nearly fell for that til I realised NO educated man calls that a breakfast.

i think u are my hero for playing it this way, deffo a sick induce. nhnh

Look at the bolded in his quote,was def him.

Do I get some kind of award for spotting a grammatical error that James Keys missed?

dying to know what the guy had now after all of this! help me relieve the frustration !

i called and he showed Q9o lol

fwiw I kinda like the turn play vs said villain.

I like it even more followed by a river c/call personally.