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Hi ok here goes $10 $20 NL playing really deep with over $200k on table i sat down wt $8500 but had just lost pot before calling off wt top pair an checking river after planning to turning my hand to bluff on river but failed to pull the trigger subsequently losing to 2pair an losing around $2k of my stack! Well played so little hotted up that i bottled it!

Game was playing quite crazy with a drunken but massively stacked paul wolfe with over 30k playing everyhand an playing well to boot making any hand played wt him expensive as alot of pre flop isolating going on! Had only been on table 30 mins so didnt have much info on villian who was to my immediate right,an oldish guy about 70 with a stack of $20k but seemed like he was losing as wolfe was always after him an he recently was shown a bluff by wolfe. So utg limps for $20 an villian makes it $200, big bet i know an he had did this twice before an like i said hadnt been on table long so had no reads an decided to call wt  Kd Jd! want ed to gamble an def c a flop after the way i played last hand. Wolfe on my left also called an rest of table passed including utg limper so 3 way wt me in mid postion.
 Ad  8d Jc was the flop an villian led for $300 thoughts on how you would proceed here ?

Raise or call both fine

Don't really like the preflop call, reverse implied odds and all that, perhaps 4-bet or fold? I'm assuming we're in position?...

he raises 10x Bb pre and now leads out for half the pot?

Weird.

I'd flat here and see what De Wolfe does (IOW will he try isolating again?)

Was a bit tilted like i said but had no reads on this guy an he had did this big raise twice before but everyone folded twice!

No wolfe wasnt isolating just got the impression table was trying to play pots with him as he wasnt ever passing ! the $300 bet was wierd an he looked wierd apparently was a war veteran...

Call and play the turn?

Fold out of respect.

rofl.

pass pre call now

Normally wouldnt call pre but was on a losing run an decided to be loosey goosey an gamble to greekstein comment! XXX Any way i raised it $800 to make the bet $1100 in total an wolfe insta folded an back to pre flop agressor who deliberated for 30 secs an called,i probaly would of shipped had he reraised as wasnt a bad spot to game wt middle pair an nut flush draw an was all for sticking $6500 roughly to win a biggish pot. My mindset was i was going to win this pot whether i hit or not ! obv tilted !
Turn was a blank  2h with the board reading  Ad Jc 8d 2h an the oldish guy checked i countend my stack to work out how much i had left which amounted to $5200. Checking back here or betting ?

Jam.

I don't want to check.

Anyway to get it in now.

i decided to bet $1800 with enough to fire the river leaving me $3400 left so that he can pass likely suspects like ace king  or ace queen, He thought for 10 secs then he called with the river being  6h so final board of  Ad Jc 8d 2h 6h an he now leads  with $2000 bet on the end spoiling my river bet? Thoughts on my play here?

Call pre is fine too we are 425 bbs deep. I am never folding pre here.

Overall you played the hand perfectly. I definitely like a raise on this flop and am happy to get as much money in as I can here, although a call is fine aswell. This River bet is pretty unfortunate, nothing you can do.

Also can you PM me your phone number please Pete

use 'live tells' to work out if he missed his frush draw, or if he's leading for weird value. I personally fold river most likely, am not quite sure on positions but I think I fold pre too some percentage, 3 bet some and cawl a ickle bit.

what seat was phil laak in?

This is why James "mfckin" Williams drives a Porsche and Greekstein takes the bus.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL BITTER MOTHER """"""""

Surrrre will be driving a Porsche after Vegas :-(. Has anyone seen any decent 2nd hand Robin Reliants for sale preferably blue :)

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rofl

I hate you Pete ;)

Ok heres the happy ending to the story which obv sent me a bit skitzy but ul for me i was one of the few brits to come back losing an not play any Nl hold em events which i had intended.....Sigh.

Right he bets $2000 on the river ruining my bluff attempt unless i ship $3400 an pray he passes for $1400 but instead i dwell for 5 minutes trying to find a way to call as my biggest weakness is curosity an i was dying to know what he had but kept thinking if i call i hav $1400 left out of $8500 stack so a comeback would be hard but wt $3400 it would be possible yet i wanted to call so badly. Couldnt put him on qj or  Kd Qd as i had the nut flush draw tryed to think he had  9d Td but that didnt seem posible as would he really make it $200 pre after utg limper which in cash games normally are big hands waiting to reraise in action games ? so it was really highly likely my hand was miles behind. if im being honest if i played this pot 100 times i would pass the river 100 times but when tilting an running bad its amazing how bad we can play an win ! thats sounds f...k up! anyway just as im about to pass he says ill show u if u pass ! yeah i know this normally means weaknes an after another 30 secs i passed an he flipped over  2d 7d an no we wernt playing the 2 7 game........... Gobsmacked with the rest of the table i was consoled that i made the right pass an was ul that unorthodox play to say the least had become a master stroke ! But a perfect ending to this story was i then procceded to my room to colllect extra amunition an as i returned to my seat my great conqueror had LEFT. Thoughts an technical jokes greatly recieved.........

There's literally like 3 hands he can be bluffing with here and that was one of them.

What I can't understand is his river bet, did he ask you how much you had behind?

Because I can only think that he thought you were deeper before he went for this blocker bet.

He's made his bet so big in relation to your stack that when you shove you can never be bluffing. And at the same time I'm not sure he can even fold with the odds he's getting on a call.

Seems a crazy game mate and mega value. So sick you didn't make the tilt call :( would of been the perfect moment for it!

Very unlucky again Pete and hope you do well in the deepstack gl!

Calling pre-flop is fine this deep. On the Flop you should be calling some percentage and raising some percentage. Although this should be weighted more towards calling when playing this deep. Firing the turn is standard after raising the flop. Checking back the turn after raising the flop would be just horrible. His lead out on the river represnts bluffs and well bluffs. I doubt he would check turn lead river for a pot committing amount with top pair type hands. I think he leads/raise turn with all his second pair/set type hands almost always. Getting 4.5-1 on money with the nut second pair and a blocker to the nut flush draw when my opponent is representing nothing;I think I make the call. Only have to be right 1 in 4 times.

Why are you letting "making a comeback" affect your decision? It's not a tournament. You can just hit the reload button. ;)

Love the homour

Yeah he knew my stack it was all big chips ! he cant even call if i shove but how can i think hes going to pass as hes got 7 2! after rasing utg+1 to 10 times the bb just a complete donkmaent hand ! Finished 33rd after getting it in from sb versus bb with my Aspades Ks v Ahrt Td for 120k pot ! flp Ac 7s 4h turn a nriver Qc Tc urrrght yuck i run good! X

Why is everyone trying to fold pre flop? It was only a single raised pot in a really deep game.

WP up to river, you are getting mega odds and I don't think the random river lead is a genuine hand anywhere near as much as people seem to think. I wouldn't count on AK/AQ ever getting folded on the river if it got checked to you though and would just give up on the river vs this player description.

THIS. you had  Kd Jd right?
My holdem game isnt 100% at its shaprest, but surely that is still a fkin awesome starting hand when you have a billion bbs??? Also they are blues, and its well known you make flushes far more frequently with blues, Im might consider folding  Ks Js from time because of how hard it is to make flushes with black cards. even still you can still make a striaght.

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Turn is a check i think. Doubt he folds anything on a blank deuce, also we want to keep in dominated flush draws. Flop raise is option to question and would some reads as to which line to take.

This is such ridiculously flawed thinking.

Blues more than blacks? What?









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