Title: AK lp, no antes. Post by: titaniumbean on July 13, 2010, 03:52:11 PM No antes live donkament, folds to me in the CO with AKo, open to 550 at 100/200 with ~12000 effective.
Button (early 20's, dealer at the venue on a night off, plays pretty aggro/well, we've played together once or twice but no real history other than he'll have seen me playing loose against the rest of the table but sensibly against the other competent players). edit he knows I open LP very wide, and I deffo feel I have an edge over the rest of the players at the table if not over his 3 betting range here. He 3bets to ~ 1900 what it do?! No antes rather confused me and I thought about all options. What is da best play PHA? Title: Re: AK lp, no antes. Post by: Cf on July 13, 2010, 03:59:24 PM Given your positions and reads on each other it seems like an easy shove to me.
Title: Re: AK lp, no antes. Post by: titaniumbean on July 13, 2010, 04:02:23 PM Given your positions and reads on each other it seems like an easy shove to me. Sorry main question is if we're stacking off how, small re-raise or jam. And what is better getting this in with him making some folds but otherwise having a pretty strong stack off range, or is there more merit to passing and playing more against the weaker players, it's live after all! edit goodness I cant type or make sense today. Title: Re: AK lp, no antes. Post by: StuartHopkin on July 13, 2010, 04:17:32 PM 5,500 and shut your little bean face
Title: Re: AK lp, no antes. Post by: titaniumbean on July 13, 2010, 04:18:21 PM 5,500 and shut your little bean face 5500 I can never fold so that feels too much. and what's wrong with my little bean face :( edit dam should have put this first time Sorry BOPKIN ONLY GOOD PLAYERS NEED REPLY ;hattip; Title: Re: AK lp, no antes. Post by: Cf on July 13, 2010, 04:18:45 PM Given your positions and reads on each other it seems like an easy shove to me. Sorry main question is if we're stacking off how, small re-raise or jam. And what is better getting this in with him making some folds but otherwise having a pretty strong stack off range, or is there more merit to passing and playing more against the weaker players, it's live after all! edit goodness I cant type or make sense today. Either make it ~5k or just shove. Both are effectively the same thing. If he peels/shoves flop then you're still calling off. If he shoves then you call. I just shove to make life easier. Title: Re: AK lp, no antes. Post by: Cf on July 13, 2010, 04:20:09 PM As for avoiding strong players. Do this to an extent, but I often like picking on them for exactly this reason. They like to avoid you and target the fish instead. The spot you describe tho is a nice spot to do some damage to one of the few players in the tournament you actually rate. Don't pass up on it.
Title: Re: AK lp, no antes. Post by: StuartHopkin on July 13, 2010, 04:26:12 PM 5,500 and shut your little bean face 5500 I can never fold so that feels too much. and what's wrong with my little bean face :( edit dam should have put this first time Sorry BOPKIN ONLY GOOD PLAYERS NEED REPLY ;hattip; Your not meant to fold you idiot you have an Ace and King you cant have two higher cards that dont make two of a kind by themselves! The picture below shows your conception Mr Beanie Title: Re: AK lp, no antes. Post by: titaniumbean on July 13, 2010, 04:29:11 PM 5,500 and shut your little bean face 5500 I can never fold so that feels too much. and what's wrong with my little bean face :( edit dam should have put this first time Sorry BOPKIN ONLY GOOD PLAYERS NEED REPLY ;hattip; Your not meant to fold you idiot you have an Ace and King you cant have two higher cards that dont make two of a kind by themselves! The picture below shows your conception Mr Beanie Seee now this, this is top PHA posting. You post pictures because you care so much for my game ;tightend; I obv 4 bet 99% of my stack he flatted and I open folded before the flop came out* *may or may not have happened (because I was laughing at your pic I just folded aces post flop arrrrrhghg ) Title: Re: AK lp, no antes. Post by: StuartHopkin on July 13, 2010, 04:35:22 PM Lol you said he thought you had a wide range therefore
5,500 to snap a shove or open shove any flop with a hand in the air the other in your dinner, your cannabilistic bastard. (http://www.rollonfriday.com/Images/harrietminter/Images/baked_beans.jpg) Title: Re: AK lp, no antes. Post by: titaniumbean on July 13, 2010, 04:38:08 PM Lol you said he thought you had a wide range therefore 5,500 to snap a shove or open shove any flop with a hand in the air the other in your dinner, your cannabilistic bastard. (http://www.rollonfriday.com/Images/harrietminter/Images/baked_beans.jpg) 5500 out of 12k is a bit of a hey der ima not foldings. hence why I considered a small re-raise or jamming. I cant imagine he'd ever be flatting a 4bet with these stacks either. And just because people know I can have a wide range there aren't that many people who will do anything about it (very often dealers ruddy suck at the pokers!!). Title: Re: AK lp, no antes. Post by: action man on July 13, 2010, 06:20:48 PM i just wanna scream at live hand histories
Title: Re: AK lp, no antes. Post by: titaniumbean on July 13, 2010, 06:27:48 PM i just wanna scream at live hand histories In what way mr Trigg? How does this hh change if the player is not very guuut (I feel I have done the player a dis-service saying he is good when he is in reality just not as bad as everyone else). Title: Re: AK lp, no antes. Post by: action man on July 14, 2010, 12:04:08 AM i just wanna scream at live hand histories In what way mr Trigg? How does this hh change if the player is not very guuut (I feel I have done the player a dis-service saying he is good when he is in reality just not as bad as everyone else). just dont like reading them as stacks arent 100% accurate and stacks are everything in nlhe. there never seems to be any online mtt hands on here anymore,. thought u were and online player. i was crabby this afters also Title: Re: AK lp, no antes. Post by: titaniumbean on July 14, 2010, 12:19:57 AM i just wanna scream at live hand histories In what way mr Trigg? How does this hh change if the player is not very guuut (I feel I have done the player a dis-service saying he is good when he is in reality just not as bad as everyone else). just dont like reading them as stacks arent 100% accurate and stacks are everything in nlhe. there never seems to be any online mtt hands on here anymore,. thought u were and online player. i was crabby this afters also Furry muff. Live hands are mundo ghay because people are so terrible, but because of the fact people are so fundamentally bad and just logically inept I didn't know whether if I thought he was just doing it for value I could 'consider' folding. I am a cash/online grinder and pretty anal so the pf raise sizes/action/positions are all exact, the stacks are ~ because live is hard to gauge but I am also pretty ocd and can normally 'eye up' a stack pretty well. This donkython had no antes throughtout and was quite low runners so was more like a mtt sng thingy hence me considering anything other than arrr eeeen. Title: Re: AK lp, no antes. Post by: GreekStein on July 14, 2010, 02:13:43 PM Make it 4400 and snaaaap when he jams
Title: Re: AK lp, no antes. Post by: titaniumbean on July 14, 2010, 03:36:16 PM Make it 4400 and snaaaap when he jams ooooh so close I made it 4525 and snapped it !!! Title: Re: AK lp, no antes. Post by: Cf on July 14, 2010, 03:42:15 PM Make it 4400 and snaaaap when he jams ooooh so close I made it 4525 and snapped it !!! You ran into AA then? Title: Re: AK lp, no antes. Post by: titaniumbean on July 14, 2010, 04:10:58 PM Make it 4400 and snaaaap when he jams ooooh so close I made it 4525 and snapped it !!! You ran into AA then? No, i'm not results orientated. I just didn't feel 100% comfortable getting in that many bb's when I didn't feel he could be getting out of line 'that' often if at all regularly so I wanted to at least think about my options. I wanted to see what others opinions are when there are no antes involved. Title: Re: AK lp, no antes. Post by: Cf on July 14, 2010, 04:23:21 PM Make it 4400 and snaaaap when he jams ooooh so close I made it 4525 and snapped it !!! You ran into AA then? No, i'm not results orientated. I just didn't feel 100% comfortable getting in that many bb's when I didn't feel he could be getting out of line 'that' often if at all regularly so I wanted to at least think about my options. I wanted to see what others opinions are when there are no antes involved. Ah right, fair enough :) I think given the dynamic you describe getting 60 bigs in pre is perfectly fine. Title: Re: AK lp, no antes. Post by: titaniumbean on July 14, 2010, 04:26:19 PM Make it 4400 and snaaaap when he jams ooooh so close I made it 4525 and snapped it !!! You ran into AA then? No, i'm not results orientated. I just didn't feel 100% comfortable getting in that many bb's when I didn't feel he could be getting out of line 'that' often if at all regularly so I wanted to at least think about my options. I wanted to see what others opinions are when there are no antes involved. Ah right, fair enough :) I think given the dynamic you describe getting 60 bigs in pre is perfectly fine. The reason I posted, was because once I was 3 bet and looking at stack sizes I didn't instantly feel fully comfortable getting it in, it didn't stop me but I was wondering if quite a few people would say 'you can fold here if you think this this and this'. Where is the stack depth cut off point for where we would just raise fold, for where flatting oop could be more profitable etc. that's what im thinking. Title: Re: AK lp, no antes. Post by: GreekStein on July 14, 2010, 04:41:41 PM Make it 4400 and snaaaap when he jams ooooh so close I made it 4525 and snapped it !!! Yeah Hopkin is tez and we are amazing. That's why he has the world and we are unhappy poker bums. lol. What did he have? Title: Re: AK lp, no antes. Post by: titaniumbean on July 14, 2010, 04:44:59 PM Make it 4400 and snaaaap when he jams ooooh so close I made it 4525 and snapped it !!! Yeah Hopkin is tez and we are amazing. That's why he has the world and we are unhappy poker bums. lol. What did he have? He had AKs and flopped a flush draw. When the board ran out bricks I was whooping SHIP IT like id won the ME rotflmfao |