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I have a problem with them. I don't like them. I usually just end up losing the money. If I miss the flop, I don't like to bet, except for the occasional situational bluff and semi-bluff.

If you raised pre-flop and hit big, you are often going to check till the turn anyway. So your opponent isn't necessarily going to "know" whether you missed or hit.

But some people seem to think a continuation bet is usually in order.

Any thoughts? Thanks.

If you have raised the hand preflop (especially if in psoition), and pick up one caller, you should be winning the hand a huge % of the time. The times you flop the best hand, and the times ur opponent has not flopped a hand strong enough to continue with. Alot of the time (if a blind has peeled for example and he has then check called the flop) we can win by double barrelling (betting flop, then barrelling turn) on certain boards. Obviously factors such as our opponents range in the hand (using all our available information to accurately predict out opponents likely holding), stack sizing and board texture are vital to determining how we are proceeding.
"C-betting" in multi way pots is slightly more complex. Some of the time its fine to check fold, but other times we can C-bet a small amount. A big mistake players make (especially new MTT players) is C-betting too big on boards that dont require such large sizing. For example you have opened the pot when folded to with  8s 9s. Both blinds have called, and it comes like  Ad 5c 5h. Its fine, and probably correct to bet like 1/3rd or even liek 1/4 pot on these boards. Its a board that has no draws and your not going to get check raised with air very often. The small betting is also saving us some for the time our opponents have Ax or even 5x.
you also mentioned "checking big hands" on the flop. I dont really like this. For balance (betting strong hands and weak hands on the flop), and to build pots to win stacks we should be betting our strong value hands!! Obv there is exceptions, and its pretty much impossible to talk about some theory in writing, but i think experimenting is the only way to find out what your comfortable with.
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Nice post RT

The guy is posting this everywhere pretty sure i have seen it on other forums.

Dont know why he is though.

If someone c-bets about 50-80 % of the pot I normally float or reraise them. Why are you betting this percentage? Did you hit the flop hard? Yes? Well bet the pot, or check, or min bet. If you bet 50-80% you are just trying to take it down as cheaply as possible.

That's what I've found anyway. Might be wrong, I'm a fish.

lol- no one bets pot

This

I don't play at your level, it's probably very different up there. What SNG would you play? $200? A different game I imagine.

fundamentals are the same

half the field bet pot in $5 - $40 mtt range on FT.

And it's flawed thinking to think just cos they're betting pot they have a hand

[ ] Betting 65% of the pot being a possible indication of c-betting (therefore) betting pot means they have a hand.

They bet pot = bluff/hand fair enough, but 65% more likely to be a cbet than the 100%.

The way I see it, most of the bets you're coming across postflop are c-bets no? And what are they probably gonna look like?

absolutely, it does effectivley take out the float as a play early doors though.

...wut?

There are times when players who figure they have the best hand are betting 50-80% too obv . I'm just saying, sometimes combined with other factors like soul reads etc, it's just more likely.
Been playing a lot of 'Rush' over the last few weeks, just been one long stream of cbets.

There's probably a diff in c-bet sizes between online and live too.

OP, I think a lot of players find themselves asking your question too. They figure..well I have AK, nice hand, raise 3xbb, 2 callers, missed flop, must bet. Well maybe it's time to start looking at the preflop bet too and what you hoped to gain by doing it, even in position. You get a lot of it early doors in STTs, spunking chips imo.

You have totally confused me.

I'm pretty sure that most of the top MTT players in the world:

Open their entire range (bar a few exceptions)

C-bet probably 80% of the time

Have success doing so.

Not saying you should look at re-adjusting- the game is always ebbing and flowing just that raising c-bets esp at lower limits probably isn't a great strategy. Just a needless spew

Are you saying we shouldnt raise pre with an Ace and a King?

To Stuart hopkin, obv not, we only have ace high, it's a drawing hand.

To outragous76: What the hell is he talking about? I bet he limps when he has an ace and another ace so he gets value in the pot.

Yes, I'm saying sometimes you should just limp. No offence, but just because you read about 'premium starting hands' and 3 bb raising in some poker book doesn't mean you have to do it every time. Think for yourself a bit?

Nice quoting skills, almost as nice as your thinking skills.
I like to raise with hands that are likely to result in me winning the pot.
Admittedly if your playing in your local (I cant imagine your skillz have got you much further) limping every hand is probably what you all do.

You're only likely to win the pot if someone doesn't put you on AK straight away and see through your crappy 60% c-bet on a 392 flop.

Notice the way I use 'You're' for 'you+are'. 'Your' is reserved for 'Of you'.
I do play a lot in my local but I have also played several large tournaments live also and have won several thousand pounds, I could lend you some for grammar lessons.
There is nothing wrong with limping and keeping the pot small, I take $$$ off fish like you every night with this kind of play.

Surely if we play our big hands that hit the same as those that dont it makes it very hard for oppo to define our hand.
Personally I love to bet exactly 60% of the pot, I sometimes carry a calculator though because like my grammar my maths skills are poor.

Inspite my poor grammar and maths skills, I seem to do okay in life and have had a few wins at the pokerz to boot.

I would suggest you save your hard won $$ and learn some of the fundamental concepts of the game. Maybe Mantis would be willing to give you some pointers on your game, and El Sid could help you stop thinking like a prat.

I look forward to meeting you at somepoint, I will be interested to see your gay limpfest in action.

Personally I think your just another limp folding twat.

The poker world is full of people who bink a couple of wins and then consider themselves semi pro. 'Even a blind squirrel finds its nuts'.
I am self taught at poker and have read all the Sklansky books and all of the poker lessons in Poker Player magazine. Poker is not about just doing what everyone else says is right, it's about trying to outplay the other guy by doing something different, something he would not expect. Say you limp in with AK and the flop comes down AAK, will the other guy think you have AK? No, he'll think you have 92 or some other garbage hand that loose donkeys like to play out of position all the time.
If you're happy to 'do ok' in life then that's up to you, but my grandad taught me that winners never think like that, if you want to win big, you have to think big.
Keep playing the way you are and you might bink a couple more wins but eventually things will catch up on you. We call this the 'VARIANCE'. Google it. www.google.com


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lol, tightpaul, u seem pretty good man

Lolz!

Bad players love the variance excuse.

Love the AKK example. It all makes sense to me now.

When you bet the flop, the turn and the river, the guy will obviously think you are triple barrelling with 9 2.

Pretty sure your Grandad would be pretty disappointed when it turned out he had one of lifes losers as a Grandson.

You're obv referring to me in this post

It's scary how right you are

The problem is when you limp and the flop comes AAK and the big blind had 52 off he's probably just gonna fold when you bet

WP

This is awesome!!!!!!!!!!

OMG just seen you messed about with my homoerotic ticker thing!

NH WP there. Shame the rest of your argument is in tatters.

Anytime I hit a flop I insta POT!!

My game is quite low variance because I play with a controlled, measured style, my graphs go up and up and very seldom come down, I expect yours look like the seismograph after a major earthquake. If you keep playing very loose and raising raising then after a while no one will respect you. I expect if you keep going round slagging off people's grandads then people don't respect you very much anyway. I did not know my grandad for very long but he was a great man, and introduced me to poker from an early age. He taught me about the importance of getting reads on other players (that's where you use body language to put them on a precise hand) and odds/pot odds (you may have heard about these from other players but I'm sure their meaning escapes you).

I liked the first reply from Railtard. Some other good replies too.
 I generally tend to C bet about 50% of the pot although on a more draw heavy board, particularly if it's flushing, i tend to bet about 75% of the pot. Obviously, this will change depending on stack sizes / blinds / opponents tendencies etc. Just wondering about what others reckon re the bet sizes. Should i be betting a 'more or less' standard amount, regardless of board texture and no of opponents? (point taken about the draw free board BTW)

Have you even played Stu? He's a NIT. Raising with AK- OMG that's CRAZY POKER. CRAZY!!!! Call the POKER POLICE. StuHopkin raise with AK!!!!

fyp

I have never played him and frankly, I hope I never will, given the number of times he has insulted me already never having met me. In live poker the dealer chooses where the players sit and I find it hard to concentrate with some guy's hand on my knee all the time. I'll be looking him up online however, I'm sure I could use the boost to my bankroll.

If you keep playing loose? I dont know if I can take this argument seriously when you are such a tool.

Pretty sure that 99% of people on this forum would not manage to equate raising AK pre to being a loose player.

I dont overly worry about respect as I but little value in what other people think of me, or to the point pretty much what they think in general.

Apologies about your grandfather comment though, if he taught you about the live readz he must have been da man.

I assume your graph is successful due to being able to soul read all your opponents and making amazing folds just like your forum name.

Since when has the dealer chosen where people sit? Do you play live STT's?

Playing 1/2 now on Tilt. Bring it.

Username Stuart Mother Fucking Hopkin.

Look me up. :)

I learned from an early stage in my poker career that 'you can spot good players from their folds'. Anyone can call hoping the other guy is bluffing and they're some kind of hero, but it takes skill and great great reads to know when your KK is probably up against AA. Players just give off this information without realizing it. You can't teach that type of skill to just anyone though, so sadly, you will never know it. You will have to rely on finding some other donkey who is slightly looser than you or drunker than you.
Have looked you up on Tilt, at $1/2, can't see your name yet, was expecting a name like '4Rent', 'NitYourgamesukz' or something similar that an unsavoury character would think up.

In all of the main big money poker games in Glasgow we are assigned seating, yes, things may be different in your local spieler, I expect they just have namecards on the table with things like 'Ex-con' 'Pinkfish' 'Grimmerboy' and 'Nitbasher' on them  ::)

TightPaul is dealt KK
TightPaul raises 3x
RandomPlayer reraises
TightPaulFolds

Nice Boba.

Could you tell me how often you like to fold KK pre due to a live read?

Sorry, I was making a joke before.

StuartHopkin is my Tilt username. Please come and play. We could play higher stakes if you prefer?

Just been informed you won the Blonde Bash tournament. I take it all back. Your my hero.

Gaius? (sp)

I beg your pardon?

lol you're quite tight, you the chimp in Tableroom Gaius?

Is it time for pokers, should we stop the level now? wpwp

exactly, who reraises an ubertight nit's raise without AA?  ;ashamed; ;hide;

Ha ha

Didnt even realise that was the table name. Yep im a chimp.
Enjoyable bit of banter there. Japes

 ;applause; ;applause;  Didn't think it would work so well, felt like a proper internet argument for a bit lol My grandad would have loved it :D

ah right it's Paul Pitchford.

I'm not sure who's nittier now!

I thought Paul Pitchford's username on here was "paulpitchford"?

It's not Paul Pitchford.

it is

This thread is an example of when it's correct to check fold on the flop.

:) FU smiley haters

You're ( :) ) great Aunt has a great great nephew

Hang on a minute.... Leave me out of this!! Anyone who knows me will know that TightPaulFolds hardly fits my profile!! I swing closer to Stuarts opinions than TightPaulFolds.

Continue thread!

 ;popcorn;

Hi Paul. I used to be ridic tight but not so much any more. When you hang around with lags long enough, it eats into your game like a contagion.

Now that I have developed more 'play' into my game I make a lot more money I can justify stupid moves when I'm bored.

What I really need now is some inside info on Stuart's game so I can pwn him on the 1/2 game.

Would like to see some more stuff on the c-betting, some good posts there already.

However can't see much room for agreement on c-betting between two usernames like 'TightPaul' and 'George2Loose'  ;D Overlooking for a moment the fact that he knows the game a lot better than I do.