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Some issues - plural - which involve Kev have come to light this week, & already appear to be circulating in the domain.

I was fully of informed them on Sunday & Monday, in both cases by Tighty. He came to Luton last Sunday especially to make me aware of what was going off, having told me whilst I was in Vegas that some matters needed urgent attention, but would best be dealt with, one to one, upon my return. I understand Tighty was made aware via a variety of sources.

Since then, considerable time & energy has been spent dealing with them, & putting some things right. I also wanted time to reflect fully on the matters before taking any further action.

We are not dealing with gossip, rumour, or hearsay here. We are dealing with cold hard facts, all of them proofed in writing.

Yesterday, in Swansea, Tighty & myself spoke to Flushy, who, as the majority shareholder here, was entitled to be consulted.  He agreed with the view of Tighty & myself that, no matter how awkward the timing, & possibly regrettable, these matters need addressing.

I have just spoken to Kev personally, which, believe me, was not an easy call to make. I suggested to him that he should take a break from blonde, & I outlined why. He was not exactly thrilled with my line, but he agreed.

I have now spoken to Tighty, & Kev's Modship, & Membership of blonde, have both been removed.
 
It's not our intention or wish to divulge further details, though that may change. It would not be in anyone's best interest to press us further on this, & I hope you will take note of that.

I take full responsibility for the final decisions, although Tighty, Flushy & myself are all 100% in agreement on this.

Other actions, involving others, may or may not follow, as the matters develop.

Although it's been very difficult to handle, in my heart of hearts, I am absolutely certain that the actions taken were 100% necessary, & appropriate, despite the extremely awkward timing. Much as I flinched at the thought, I'm afraid that the nettle had to be grasped.

Kev has spent more time on blonde than anyone, & been an unpaid Mod for almost all of it, for which I am very grateful. He's also been a good mate to me & many others. I'm also fully aware that he is going through difficult times right now. I hope he gets everything in his life back in order very soon, I really do. For now, he will have to manage without blonde, & us without him.

A sad day, I'm afraid.

Probably putting myself in the firing line here, but there are two sides to every story, and from what i've heard Kev's not had the chance to properly explain his corner and I believe he's in the process of sending you an email right now Tikay with some screenshots which prove he is not as guilty of certain things as people might think.  Could this thread not be left until he's had a proper right to reply and all loose end's tied up?  Seems like jumping the gun a bit imo.

I can understand why you would think that, Claire. We are of the view that it's been left long enough already, & we needed to be seen to dealing with certain matters, particularly in the light of how the blonde stakeholders would be viewed if & when matters circulate further. The question then would be why did blonde not deal with these matters earlier?

Well, I've known a week now, & have personally sorted some of them myself. Regrettably, I don't believe I, or we, could delay further.   

If this is the case why have you made this public on the forum Tikay?

I personally knew nothing of what is going on and was quite happy that way. Now I know that something is going on and my natural curiosity means that I want to know more as will everyone else.

By making this thread you are just encouraging exactly what you say you don't want. It will just just cause more speculation and hearsay.

Just my opinion but this seems like one bit of dirty laundry that doesn't need airing in public.

Much love as always Tikay.

Matt

xx

I've no idea was has happen, but everyone knows how much Kev is thought of on Blonde.

Equally I'm sure Tikay/Tighty/Flushy wouldn't do this without very good reason.

Lets hope matters can be sorted out.

This, cryptic references whilst saying it cant be discussed or mentioned seems kind of the opposite thing from what you wanted.
 :dontask:

Noted Matt. Your argument is presumably that we should say nothing. What happens when we are then asked "where is he?". How do we answer that - ignore it? What happens if the matters get Posted by others before we acted, how would we & I be viewed then?

I thought it through long & hard, believe me.

I'm aware I'll get some stick, & so be it, but it's odd, given that I've done nothing improper, & have in fact, & at my own cost, righted a wrong.

I have assumed that you would think a little deeper as to everything here.

That.

I need to get Offline now, go get my desperately needed new glasses.

Anyone is free to ring me if they wish to debate this further. Tighty will give out my number, via PM, if you don't have it, & he takes the view that the convo would be constructive.

eh, if I/we have no idea what you are talking about, a bit of deep thought doesn't suddenly make your posts understandable. I don't want to draw my own conclusions from cryptic references i'd rather know what's going on or be oblivious!

yep just a bit! at least wait to hear from him first tk. sounds like he can explain everything to me.

The Blonde soap opera continues- someone from Eastenders should really join here- their storylines are gaff at the mo

could i just get your number for a nice chat?

I suggest you read again - carefully this time - my OP. I said it is NOT in anyone's best interest to divulge more right now.

TIKAY STOP IT NOW!!!!!!!!

More cryptic references without giving full facts.

Either say the lot or say nothing otherwise you just dig a hole for yourself.

You are making implications which people will naturally want to know more about.

If people want to know why he's been banned just say "Sorry but it's none of your business. This is my house and the door's shut to Kev for reasons I do not wish to disclose"

He has contacted me - now. Like in the last 20 minutes.

What he sent me does not solve anything. Kev is aware of that, we discussed it.

I DID wait to hear from him, so did others. Read my OP, please.

Matt, you have my number, ring me if you wish. Please assume I did give long & deep thought to all this. And please remember this is a lot harder for me than for you.

I need to get Offline now, you have my number if you need to ring me.

A sad day.

Best wishes to Kev for his continued recovery.

norrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

GL with everything Kev

It's not luck he needs,it's a voice.

GL Kev

There certainly is more drama on Blonde than on the iPlayer

All the best Kev.

Without wishing to cause trouble, I do think Kev should be given right of reply (if he chooses to use it) on this thread.

Either everything should've been posted or nothing at all. And since the details are going to messily emerge through rumour, hearsay and Chinese whispers, better to put up the facts now and give Kev a chance to respond.

Not a clue whats gone on, but hope its the right decision.

Agree

not being funny, but would rather people didn't pm me looking for info.  I don't know the full story, just what i've heard from kev, which i can only take at face value as he's a friend of mind.  My comments on this thread weren't meant to cause trouble, I just think everything should be out in the open with a right to reply, or not discussed at all.

I hope kev gets weell soon

Also

Pretty sure tikay has done what he thinks best for everyone

more cryptic clues?
I feel like Matt cant someone explain whats going on?

Easy for you to say

ffs, lock the thread or put all the details. joke.

This...and

I'm gonna miss Kev.

certain people knowing and others not is probs why alot of people think there is a huge clique on here.

Not true. The clique ain't that big :D

kick a man when he's down why dont you!


good luck kev x

i have been troubled by this post most of the day, the reason being i couldnt put my finger on what was wrong with it - but knew something was.

TK - i dont know you, but having now read the above enough times i could read it aloud backwards, id just like to say it was  a very poor attempt at conveying whatever point you were trying to. It just doesn't strike me as being impartial nor particularly fair to Kev - almost irrespective of what he has {allegedly} done (which I dont know in full).

I have amended it to what you could/should have written. The rest of it was fairly superfluous tbh, and as far as I am concerned made the whole piece come across as insincere and biased - but again and cant put my finger on what it is  - although that is probably in part because i dont know what or who it involves

I think a lot of Kev and hope he's back on his feet soon but does anyone think Tikay or Tighty/Flushy aren't doing what they think is best just accept thats there decision and leave it at that.I also wish Kev the very best in his recovery and have no idea what's gone on and don't feel the need to know but the sly comments are pretty ridic.Sometimes a debate really isn't appropriate;this seems like one of those times!!!!

So whats happened?

long time lurker
not often poster
see no reason this thread benefits any one
wash your dirty laundry in Private IMO
delete thread IMO

inappropriate to insinuate against then ban IMO

I'm pretty sure no insuations have been made. Point me in the right direction if i'm wrong though.

Vinni, tbf, there are insinuations here. When I read the first few posts with no knowledge, I didn't think Kev was barred because the shareholders thought he was such a shining beacon that him being around made them look bad.

I thought, like anyone would have thought, based on what was written, that he must've done something terrible. Ergo, without the facts, by definition, there are insinuations.

Irrespective of what details emerge over time, I don't like insinuations - too playground gossipy for me.

Meh, ok, maybe  didn't word it correctly.

But it is facts that are being dealt with, not playground gossip.

That maybe, but in writing on here, it's gossip, and in my opinion its not very edifying

Don't understand Glennda.

By writing on here it's gossip? It's stating that he has been banned for a specific or specific reasons that don't need to be aired on blonde. Reasons that are fact rather than assumption/speculation etc. Some sort of announcement had to be made. If not then it could have been worse. The way it has been done benefits Kev imo.

Sigh @ thread. I mean wtf.

Man Utd sell Wayne Rooney and owners come out and say "It was the best decision", and expect there to be no questions asked as to what went down.

Obviously Kev isn't exactly Wayne Rooney (sorry Kev) but still.

GL in the future Kev...

Just found out the details, don't think anyones going to come out with any credit, really should have been dealt with privately.

Dont really feel very argumentative about this and each to their own obv, in terms of how things are handled.

A few other people have suggested similar to what I'll do now, which is, a simple, "Kev has been banned for reasons that can't be discussed" without further follow ups would have felt straightforward, served the same purpose and lacked any sense of insinuation - just a statement of fact.

Can't quite put my finger on why everything over and above this feels a bit bullying, campaigining, kangaroo courty (like a charge list without charges)

TBH, no real axe to grind, had my tuppence worth and will likely be quiet now. Only likely though

xx

This^^^
Totally pointless thread imo

Justice doesn't just have to be done, it has to be seen to be done.

Meh, we all make mistakes in life. Sometimes a bit of understanding is required when people are going through a rough time. I thought mates were supposed to be there for the tough times?

depends how much it costs, whole thing stinks imo

You put a price on friendship?

Why is everyone jumping on Tikay here?  Kev obv did something that caused Tikay to make this decision, its not like he has a habit of randomly banning someone of Kevs Blonde stature for no reason.  Its reminding me of the Blatch thread where everyone was ready to kill to defend his honour with no evidence to back it up only to look stupid when the truth came out.

   fair comment. but tikays post has left many people adding 2+2 to make 5.  obviously tikay wouldn't take these actions unless 100% valid. but a big can of worms has been opened. it will all come out eventually anyway, so why leave the chinese whispers and gossip queens to have a field day.
 
    its leaving everyone judging kev, and with his state of mind its not something he needs right now.

    keep your chin up kev

^^ THIS ^^

so not this!!!!!!!!

all people have done is offered Kev best wishes, because everyone knows this will hurt.

All people are saying is, that the "statement" achieved nothing other than to generate rumour and speculation, which is allegedly isnt what was wanted. Tikay isnt stupid, he knew exactly what the words he chose to use would do

So we are a community, and that's our strength in relation to other forums. One longstanding member of the community has been banished due to the revelation of cold hard facts, but the rest of the family isn't allowed to hear what those facts are. It seems our role in the family is to be sent upstairs to bed while our parents argue. Of course we can hear muffled voices from up there, and we know something's wrong, but we're seemingly too young and vulnerable to handle the truth. If Tikay etc are all 100% in agreement over this then why wouldn't the rest of the community be in agreement over this? We are all mature reasonable thinking adults as well you know. I mean, people are wishing Kev well on here, but is that the right thing to do? Tikay thinks he's had a tough time deciding how to handle this, but I reckon you're gonna have an even tougher time deciding how to handle this when you don't know what you're actually handling.

Mantis, on a scale of 1-100 how great would you say you were? I'd def think high 90's.

It's undoubtedly around that sort of figure

link to Kevs blog pls.

http://colchesterkev.wordpress.com/

What was OP trying to achieve?

Could you have kicked any harder?  

From what I can see none of you are impartial, you all have vested interests, but one party no longer has the ability to address the community - not exactly balanced.

Someone give us cliff notes to what happened k ta.

How is Kev doing?

spoke to kev yesterday, he's doing ok and his continueing his recovery against his illness. if you read his blog you will see that weekends are the toughest for him. you can only imagine how tough this one has been for him.
its disappointing that kev wasnt given the chance to have his say on the matter, i can understand why he wasnt but its a shame none the less.

as has been previously stated, tikay isnt stupid, the wording of his opening post was deliberate and was made to get the reaction's he wanted.

kev was a big part of blonde for a long time, from what i can make out and have been told he made a mistake, but he deserved this to be treated alot better than the way it has.

kev has alledged had his privacy invaded along with anyone who has had correspondents with kev in the last year or so. more may come of this as tikay quoted in his opening post, there may be discriminating evidence against others regarding different matters.

my main concern here is for kevin, his health and his welfare is way more important than anything he may have forgotten to do or anything he may have done stupidly but i believe was done in good faith.

as for the person who invade his privacy i hope your feeling good about yourself!

if it was someone else (other than kev) that had made this "mistake" would people be as quick to jump to his defence?

Also, all publicity is good publicity. wp

Good to hear that he's doing ok.

According to his facebook entries he had a good weekend chatting with his son, he seemed quite relaxed.

thats good to hear and read, but as you know yourself alot of hurt can be hidden behind a tough exterior

Absolutley, it takes a lot to keep a tough exterior going, the fact that he manages that shows strength of mind and spirit imo.

hmmm, just been put in the loop..well a bit....

I've changed my mind, well done TK and mods.

When is the rest off us going to know??

Never. It's a secret!!!  ;nana;

put in the loop from one side of the story?

From a very reliable source. And that made it pretty clear that TK and the mods had no choice IMO.

what?

u seem like you have taken sides, why cant others?
clearly your personal feelings and relationship with kev are clouding your judgement.
From what i have heard i will say well done TK and mods also! There is no smoke with out fire etc etc

Grow up an show some class for once.

yes but still only 1 side.

i've been informed from a reliable source on some things to and believe me they dont sit to comfortable with me either but surely people are entitled to defend themselves?s
but we all know that isnt the blonde way.

boldie,how about how the information acted upon was supposedly dscovered? does that sit well with you to??

I have never slagged off this forum/people on it in any way, but I have to say that this thread is an absolute joke.
We are 7 pages in and apart from a very select few nobody knows what the hell is going on but people are still willing to argue about it.

Kev was the first person to welcome me to Blonde when i joined, he helped me out with a few issues with the blonde cardroom and was a genuinely nice bloke.
I then read with amazement his blog and how he was battling to move on with his life after it nearly coming to an end.

Now we are told he has done 'something' that needs him removed from the site!!

In my opinion either lock the thread, or let everyone know what Kev has done and give him a chance to release a statement via another Blonde member in reply and then let everyone make up their own mind.

ok none of this is easy.

For all of you who have just had posts deleted, I am sure you understand I am struggling to find the time to contact you individually about the posts


thread now unlocked for the time being

sigh I'll never get my post count up at this rate

i dont understand why Bainns post should be deleted, as if somehow to protect him from the undoubted shitstorm he would provoke, and yet Kev has been publicly ostracized from here without so much as a word in his defence.

dont worry bainn though, enough of us saw it...

It's not deleted to protect him

The content was inappropriate, and went way too far

The responses were not unexpected, but had to go too

Aye.  Now logged in as Harmony - chortling into his beard that he finally has something to have a go at Kev about.

+1

however strong his words, is he not entitled to an opinion, especially if he feels strongly about this matter?

No that is Harmony, I am not as coniving as some.

I know it's not been an easy decision for the mods how to handle this, but I think ultimately what Keith has suggested has to be done.  As things stand there's confusion over the cross over of issues  with some people knowing about one thing and not the other and vice versa, and chinese whispers turning things into god knows what.  It's all going to come out eventually anyway.  I'm not taking sides here - it's a horrible situation all round - I count Kev as a friend, and will be there to support him with his health issues if he needs it after the events of this week. I also value my friendship with Tikay, Tighty and other mods.  Let's just get the cards on the table and everyone can see exactly what's happened, let Kev back on to have his say, and move on.

Do you know him or are you just mumping on the same as you did about people sticking by their mate?

Bainn has had a chip on his shoulder about Kev for a long time, but was never significant enough for it to be anything bar amusing, now he's trying to start a witchhunt against an ill man. the 'free country/forum' crap is just that in the face of a cowardly kick at a man when he's down without the right to reply.

Im going to have to agree with all of this as i recently had my name tarnished an was accused of wrong doing an when i put the truth out there via the private messages that i hand written word for word i also had my posts deleted an wasnt giving the chance to defend myself. Call me Bitter  but SEEMS TO BE SAME OLD SAME OLD.

 ;frustrated; ;popcorn;

True, but my opinions were as strong as I felt about the situation which I had been involved in from the beginning.

As to axe grinding, no, away from Blonde at DTD where I last saw Kev before this we were chatting away quite nicely as he was even agreeing with some of my feelings re the so called "Bainn Gate".

fwiw, when i was "put in the loop" about this matter, i was surprised it wasnt a legal matter

Hope she's really proud of you.

obv not far enough for a ban though.

I have no idea who he is, and im not saying i agree with what he said, but its a forum if everyone had the same view it would be pretty boring no?

+1

I AM really proud of Bainn and his loyalty to friends.

So you don't know the people, you don't know the background, just whatever story you got from someone & you think that a half informed opinion suggesting someone should be prosecuted is valid/worthwhile/worthy of the right to free speech?

No it all doesn't sit well with me at all TBH...it's all a too sick for my liking. I am more upset (too strong a word maybe but maybe not..I don't know) by this than I ussually would be.
I am all for the right to defend yourself but I understand why the desicion was made without allowing it.

havnt been told anything, but think its pretty obv what's happenned.

[ ] good use of my 1000th post. I will aim to be better with my 2000th in another 5 years time.

How is it pretty obv?

Why should some people know and others not.

I appreciate the mods have had a series of tough decisions and Kev would certainly have not been banned lightly.

But ffs, in a case like this full disclosure is the only way forward.

Kev's mental health, talks of no money, blonde cardroom gaffer, talks about police getting involved etc etc..

I don't know if they could fully disclose with agreement all round. The PM's making it out as bad as they can are certainly circulating.

Don't add 2+2 and get 100000, please.

Please, PLEASE no jumping to conclusions like this.

in this is the very reason why the OP was really really way out of line, made worse by no right of reply

For the record, I dont know what the matter is - but if pleno buts 2 and 2 together and makes whatever he wants out of it, why cant others make even more of their own conclusions, about whatever matter they choose?

calm urself down rodney

surely that's exactly what happens without cliffs though. really dont want to put you in an awkward position etc but if someone doesnt come out quickly then lots of things will get said.

you and tikay generated the situation tighty

Surely, that is exactly the problem here, peolple are just making assumptions..I have no idea whats happened btw.
I think people need to know the basics of whats happened or we are just going to think like Pleno1.

In a way, the 'Royal you' started it

Hopefully not by sending pm's with pllllssssss and a smiley.

Taking joy is not something I'd have thought most blondeites would do.

Why? I'm not the anonymous one with half a story calling for the law to be brought in.

I'd address you by your name but I don't know it.

i agree i only know  small piece of the story, and im not calling for the law, im just saying the story i heard led me to believe that it would be a legal matter

is your name really Rod Paradise? com if so, if you really wanted to find out who Railtard1 is i'm sure you could do it in under 5 clicks.

No, but it's been on here plenty.

Please advise how people can get 'put in the loop'

The reply was deleted - so I'll tone it down & not repeat his comments. Are you proud of his current actions? None of us questioned your illness when he kept going on about it.

Bainn's post was one of the sickest I've ever seen on Blonde.

Shocked he didn't get a ban for it.

And his sig just sums up the man, shame there isn't an ignore button on here really.

[ ]  can see bainns sig :(

its been removed

lol - by the man who said that ............. and i quote.............

"you can put anything in your sig"

wp ironside, wp indeed

apart from the "r" word?

when will this thread be locked... set the line at 5pm?

That'll be the major point of the thing.

F**k me - Bainn's sig was removed before i got chance to read it - dont know what Kev did - not even sure why i keep reading this thread  ;popcorn;

same!!!

which clique can i join that grants me gossip priveleges?

All the best Kev, and i say that hoping i'm not going to have to take it back because you've done something unforgiveable that i'm not allowed to know about.

can be found if you look hard enough    ;)

Is someone in contact with Kev? the man is suffering serious mental health issues and he's getting a public crucifixion based on hearsay, god knows how he's feeling.

he's posted on his blog today

for someone very "ill", "very depressed" and "in a bad state of mind", he writes very very well!

and your point is?

2+2 = 1000000 obv

Unless his point is that he's a qualified psychologist & he can give a qualified judgement he should just STFU and stop stirring the shit.

Stephen Fry suffers depression,he also writes well.  stop stirring the shit you horrible little toad.

intelligent people dont get mental illness or depression??


railtards posts get funnier and funnier

Marc, I was diagnosed clinically depressed about 8 years ago.

I could still write, probably better than I ever could have.

Some of the greatest books/poems/paintings ever made have been penned by manic depressives. Syvia Plath, Vincent Van Gogh, Stephen Fry etc etc

Yeah, that Fry fella is an idiot

I've no idea what his state of mind is today as I haven't spoken to him. Guessing it's not great though whatever.  Being depressed doesn't make you any less lucid or articulate though - pretty much the opposite in many cases - to presume otherwise is just another stereotype.

Kev actually seems to be writing better TBH - possibly to do with having a load off his mind & not putting up a front.

beaten to it x about 6 :)

You're female we don't expect you to be fast ;)

I've been mildly ribbed in the past for only ever writing on my blog when I'm depressed.  actually find it really hard to write stuff when I'm not.  that's us crazies for you.

Can someone PM me what Bainn said in the post that has been removed

Many Thanks

LOL booder this made me laugh. fwiw, i think your sig should be deleted aswell..... off putting!... TOAD.. priceless

Havnt seen bainns post or sig but if it was that bad why is he still able to post?

I got coolered last Saturday for something pretty petty!!

loled at toad :)

oh and

me 2, got my housemates calling me it now

+1

yeh, ur right keith.

fwiw i think ur earlier comment was correct, kev should be able to post here

Received ty

Depression is more common in intelligent people for obvious reasons. Homer Simpson doesnt get depressed does he cos he is content with a very simple albeit amazing existence!

12 pages and still non the wiser. Probably doesn't matter to me but do think it's weird half the forum know and half don't but it still can't be put "out there"

lol

i think more than half the people reading this know

+1

Quick PM someone please...I'm pretty tilted right now.

If anyone is happy to fill me in then send a PM if not i'll keep f5ing all day in hope of some info

+1

Given all the comments so far, I'm guessing he must have chopped up a Thai hooker. Seems to be the in thing at the moment.

WOW at some people's post on this thread,just wow.All just a big joke to some until something bad happens to them then they'll expect the whole world to stop and feel sorry for them,as for others who want to have a go all I can say is get a life you atteniton seeking ****.I still think what I said last night but since people are going to keep going and going with this I agree with Keith,say what has happened allow Kev to make a response then lock the thread and leave it at that.I suppose it's to much to expect to think people might've shown Tikay and the rest some respect and accept there decision here yes it's a free country freedom of speech blah blah but it's quite obvious this decision wasn't took lightly and just because some of us are involved in the forum doesn't mean we are all entitled to know everything that goes on,why should we be ? Anyone close enough to either would easily have other avenues to show there support/find information out then on the internet!!!

Someone pm me what happened. or bainns post..pls

Flippin nora,every time i get a chance to have a look at this thread something has been removed just before i have read it,i havn't got the foggiest what has occured and what this guy has been accused of,i'm not in any cliques and the chances of me getting in any "loops" are virtually non-existant,i'm therefore refusing to permit myself from following any more of this whole palaver so i don't go completely bonkers with not knowing what's going on :dontask:

I'll trade the gist of Bainn's post for the gist of wtf is going on. Yes I know it's a bit unsavoury but the whole thread is tilting me hard.

why has tikay disappeared?

He needs to make another post to address this mess.

+1

Sigh. All this talk about writing and depression.

I'm a writer and reading this thread has made me depressed.

No idea what on earth is going on here, but I have made an assumption, rightly or wrongly. I hope I am wrong.

I may be months behin, but  isn't his wife/partner/gf one of the main mods on here?

Fwd to me plz sir ty

+1 and any one kind enough to give me some detail to fill the in blanks on the story i would very much appreciate it.

could someone PM me what's going on please?

me too!

This is so ridiculous.

Everyone (pretty much) knows the story now.

But, it is all second/third/fourth hand.. And depending on the source of where you heard the story you will have a different slant to the story.

Best thing by far to do is to lock this thread and let both sides make clear, concise statements and leave at that.

This thread is going nowhere.

I thought the Blatch thing was the saddest episode in blonde history. How wrong I was.

Make that me too please, tilting me so bad not knowing, and FWIW if someone says "it's none of your business" I'll gladly accept that and move on, and not comment on this thread again.

None of my business and have enough trust in Tikay and Tighty that I am confident that they are doing the right thing. Think Kev needs some space and hope things work out for him.
GL Kev.

meh, dont really believe the email, but wte.

Kev will be a massive loss imo,im discusted by a few things that have happened but none more than kicking a man while he is at his lowest.Keep in touch Kev you have helped a lot of people just with your blog as you know.

indeed but she is his ex girlfreind.

Well I guess its true that ignorance is bliss

I think im the only one left on the forum that does not have a clue whats happened...pm pls(anyone!)

Nope, you're not.

Nah i don't know either
surprised this hasn't been locked/deleted by now tbh
As for mods asking people to calm down on this thread, bit redic when it was very obvious how the thread was going to evolve when they first posted it

I have no idea either, I'd sooner wait until it's 2 way traffic and both sides can post their accounts to find out though

Me neither, did anyone know before the thread.  Statements and lock thread ftw

No need for this thread Tikay, at least not the way it was started.

this is just getting bloody stupid now - can't see any point to keeping this thread unlocked.

15 pages and im still none the wiser...

42 years and im none the wiser.

I have decided to publish details of the events that took place leading up to tikay's Original Post in this thread on Sunday. It is my decision to do so alone, and tikay was informed prior of my intention and agreed to support this.
 
A few weeks ago I received a verbal communication that there could be issues surrounding a non-payment of a blonde Poker card-room balance from the account of the late Brendan Hartnett to his family. Brendan Hartnett was as many of you know "ericstoner" on blonde, who passed away in 2008.
 
Right at the outset I must make clear that I have not had any written communication from this individual as to the matter. The doubts about the matter were raised verbally to me.
 
The individual had, before speaking to me, contacted a third party (a long standing blonde member and close friend of Brendan Hartnett) who approached the family to clarify whether the payment had been received. The third party then informed me that to the best of the family's knowledge that no monies had arrived into the estate from a blonde Poker card-room account.
 
Faced with this information I had no choice but to investigate. At this stage both tikay and Royal Flush, together the holders of the vast majority of the blonde Poker shares, were both in Las Vegas. As it was potentially such a delicate matter for the company and the shareholders it was not an issue I was going to raise with them until I was completely sure of the facts.
 
I contacted our (then) card-room providers and asked a few simple questions as to the Brendan Hartnett account. What was the balance, where was it transferred to, when?
 
The written answer came back about ten days later, with copies of communications from the time. On a date in September 2008 the sum in the account had been transferred to Kevin Shepherd's account and Brendan Hartnett's account had been closed.
 
The first thing I did was check my own records to see if I had been consulted about this transfer and the reasons for it, and I hadn't, as far as I could tell.
 
At this point, with tikay newly returned from America, I took the short journey to Luton where I knew tikay was in attendance as this was an issue I felt I wanted to speak to him about face-to-face. This was on Sunday 18th July.
 
We agreed that I would speak to Kev and obtain explanations as to the transfer and to see, hopefully, how the money had been transferred to the family.
 
I did this at about 7pm on Tuesday 20th July. Kev asked for time to check his records, which of course was fine. At about 10pm that night we had an online conversation in which Kev stated that there had been an oversight and that the monies were in his Full Tilt account.
 
During the course of the conversation I established a sequence of events according to Kev. I reported these verbatim to tikay the same night.
 
The sequence of events as stated to me was as follows
 
- Kev had spoken to Brendan Hartnett's son on the day of the funeral and offered assistance with the online poker accounts and the repatriation of funds to the family
 
- Subsequent to that Kev had organised with Aqua that Brendan's account would be closed and the monies would be transferred to his blonde Poker account for forwarding to the family
 
- Kev then withdrew the monies and placed them onto Full Tilt Poker, the idea being that they would be transferred to Brendan Hartnett's account and thence onto the family
 
- Kev tried to contact Brendan Hartnett's son, left a voicemail but received no reply
 
- He spoke to tikay at the time about the matter, though tikay has no recollection of the conversation.
 
- Subsequently Kev forgot about the matter
 
- He had not played on Full Tilt since, and only on my mentioning of the matter and checking his emails remembered the balance on the account.
 
- He immediately offered to send the money on wherever it was required, and we agreed we would speak about that in due course.
 
Now at this point there are several important points
 
- I am not doubting the account as given to me above. I did not investigate further. It was not and is not my intention to make matters worse for Kev than they currently are, especially at what has been a difficult time for him
 
- I am not in any way doubting that Kev's intentions in transferring the money were honourable.
 
- The problem is that the money did not reach the family in 2008. The best interpretation that could be put on this is that it is a careless oversight.
 
This oversight has caused severe embarrassment for blonde Poker, and for the shareholders personally.
 
During the course of last week both tikay and I spoke and wrote to Brendan Hartnett's son to apologise for the confusion and delay. The funds were sent to the family before the end of the week.
 
I did not before the weekend have a chance to have a follow-up conversation with Kev as to sending the money he is holding on,by the same token Kev did not contact me. This is my fault, a function of lack of time as I was organising an event that weekend, and I know he is willing to forward the monies where required.
 
To conclude the chronology tikay and I met in Swansea on late Friday afternoon and went through all of the above. I had already recommended in writing the day before that I thought it inappropriate that Kev remained as a moderator. During the course of that meeting it was clear that tikay agreed.
 
On Saturday we together, and seperately, had discussions with James Dempsey on the issue and he was in complete support of our proposed action.
 
On Sunday afternoon on our return from Swansea Kev was contacted by tikay, and the Original Post on this thread was placed on the forum.
 
Kev currently has no right of reply to this on the forum of course, though of course there are other avenues for him to do so online. However I am happy to place a reply from him, however it reaches me whether from him or a friend, on this thread unedited.

lol pretty much what i heard, [  ] sounds an unforgivable error.

lol mountain = molehill.

best wishes to kev during ongoing recovery, seems rediculously handled.

SoTikay or Flushy paid the £600 last week, and are waiting on Kev to pay them the £600 in turn, which he has (had?) in his FT account?

Have I read that right?

Hopefully Kev can get a reply on here, and people will ask sensible questions from now on.

- I am not in any way doubting that Kev's intentions in transferring the money were honourable.

why has he been banned then?

If you were busto you'd know you had £600 in a poker account, he has mentioned on his blog about having £20 a week for food/clothes, sorry but if that's the case you know you have £600 sitting in the second biggest poker site on the internet.

I must admit I am thinking along the same lines. Also Kev used to rail ppl a lot for the PRO and to do that you have to login to your full tilt account.

I hope Kev uses his right to reply to fully explain the situation.

tikay said, 'Some issues - plural -'

kev's side coming tonight according to his blog

Had actually been filled in on this story just before finding Tighty had posted it up here. I heard it from "camp Kev" so thought maybe it was bias as it didn't sound feasible that that was all there was to it.

Now I see that indeed, that was all there was to it.

The money was transfered in an open and above board fashion. The money has sat there ever since and has never been inappropriately used or disappeared.

As you say, obviously an oversight, as Kev had nothing to gain in any way from his actions.

This has been dealt with in a completely unbusinesslike manner.

Whether you like Kev or not, whether you understand mental illness or not, can any one justify treating someone in this way - making him an outcast amongst his peers and social circle - when all he did was forget to finish the transaction? He has had plenty of time and opportunity to spend that cash himself if this was his plan, so it patently obviously wasn't ever on his agenda.

Shame on you.

On the other hand if it does come to the surface that Kev hasn't played at all on Full Tilt in the last 2 years then it obv means he didnt do it in any malicious way.

Still you would never ever forget about the money especially if as said above ^^^ that he logged in frequently, things just don't make sense.

Kev should be allowed to post screen shots of the account to prove that he hasn't used any of the money and deposited it back recently otherwise people will still doubt him.If it is the case that he has simply forgotten to do it I do think the punishment is very harsh.

I dont actually understand why he has been banned.

He has made an oversight/fail in his job as cardroom manager.
So the correct thing to do would be to discipline him.
Pretty sure you cant disipline someone who no longer works for you.

Obviously things had to be smoothed over with Brendans family and it sounds like thats been done.

I think most people would like to see him reinstated pretty soonish.
On the other hand the abusive poster is still here, I think most people would like to see him gone.

Its one thing to be seen to be doing the right thing, its another to disregard a friends well being in fear of getting a bit of stick.

Says it better then I could ever put it into words.

I assume the initial verbal communication was with malicious intent as otherwise the matter would have been bought to Kev's attention rather then the rather dubious way it seems to have been handled?

Why is Kev Banned?

I'm not trying to take sides (I haven’t spoken to anyone about the situation), but I see the issue at hand and the banning as separate points. There would seem no doubt to me that if the account of the situation is as described by Rich then I would certainly agree that Kev the employee of Blondepoker Cardroom was negligent and there should be some recourse for this (If it was still in existence, disciplinary action etc).

However Colch-Kev the forum member hasn’t actually done anything wrong and is unable to fight his corner regarding the issue because he was banned due to a touchy subject for all involved, yet ultimately they are un-related.

I hope everyone can resolve their differences and come to an amicable resolution.

Kev's promised a 100% honest account from his point of view on his blog.  Might be an idea for people to wait to see what he has to say before commenting further.

a disgusting and self indulgent post under the circumstances

as for full responsibility, good to see you have been around since posting

http://www.officialpokerrankings.com/fulltiltpoker/ColchKev/poker/results/17ADCDAFC8484FB29FE08C1FD3CAC81D.html?t=2 (http://www.officialpokerrankings.com/fulltiltpoker/ColchKev/poker/results/17ADCDAFC8484FB29FE08C1FD3CAC81D.html?t=2)

What was the problem with where the information came from?

Completely agree with this. GL to Kev with all of this.

+1

one if his facebook posts is sickening too.him basically saying i hope Kev dies is beyong discusting

Difficult one, he's obviously used the account according to Sharkscope, however it doesn't exactly seem like he's stolen this money and donked it off or whatever. Having it sat in his account does seem stupid, but not the offence it seems to have been portrayed as, especially seeing as he sorted it all out straight away.

I'm really not impressed with how this has been handled. I thought the offence was going to be much worse than this.

A horrible situation.

I think Tikay will agree his initial post was a mistake.

And while I am certain Kev made an honest oversight I think it is important to look at this from Brendan's family's point of view.

Brendan had money on a site populated, run and owned by his friends. If there was one place they should have had no doubt that financial issues should be dealt with swiftly and appropriately it was Blondepoker.

This did not happen. If I was Brendan's son I would be extremely distressed and angry by a delay of almost 2 years in receiving funds which I should have received within 2 weeks. More than this, I would feel let down by his friends.

I feel very sorry that Tikay, Tightie and Flushy were put in this position. They wouldn't have banned Kev lightly, but took the action they felt appropriate.

I wish Kev all the best in his continued recovery.

if he has been playing and has said he hasn;t then it seems so so stupid. he is a very wise guy when it comes to poker, he knows what you can and can't do and obv knows people would check up on sharkscope. something isnt making sense, just like the blatchly case.

I had been doing well to bite my tongue till i posted that, Kev is a really good friend of mine do people really think he would get banned for no reason? It's beginning to piss me off all the message i have received about it.

I'm not stupid, you are all not stupid.

I wish Kev the best going forward, we have all done really stupid things before and i am pretty sure we all will again, however they usually come with consequences that we can't just forget about.

Hope to see you soon Kev if you are reading this.

I'm sure if Kev can show that this money has been there all the time people may think better of him and see it as a genuine mistake. As it is, if I understand it correctly Kev hasn't repaid the money but Blonde has?

+1 to pretty much all of this

kevs blogs updated

Surely if this is an oversight by Kev (which I really hope it is, for the sake of all parties) then screenshots of the Full tilt account with the money in it and a list of transactions from the history since 2008 will put to bed the issue of Kev's integrity without any doubt.

whos the ceo of blonde?

Tighty I believe.

interesting blog post.

pretty sickening intrusion of Kev's personal space by the person who copied his msn logs. Disgusting.

+1

I think it would be wise for everybody to read the latest entry on his blog before further comment.

^^^ This

Pretty sure its illegal too.

women - mens biggest downfall.

The wisest course of action for most people is not comment at all.

at least this person isnt a blonde mod entrusted with all our personal messages etc etc.....................

nothing ban worthy there eh?

I think Kevs response seems honest, apologetic, and the fact of the matter is, it has caused a degree of embarrasment to Blonde owners.

However, the blatant retaliation attempt sickens me. I love the end of Kevs first post. We all have private conversations, and thats what they are, and where they should stay. Im not sure i would have had Kevs restraint after having been treated this way.

Imagine the damage he could do to TK - a TV "personality" nonetheless.

Oh and btw Tikay, asking someone to take a break and then banning them, doesnt count as asking someone to take a break

GL with everything Kev. Your a fucking superstar. You treated me as a friend when I was at a really low ebb in my life last summer, and was down in Portsmouh, and I only knew you from posting on Blonde, and hadnt even met you at the time. You have my number, if you ever wanna chat shit, give me a call

What has that got to do with this issue?

 Anyone interested in some cheap carrots , bananas , cucumbers etc ? : )

rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao

just pulled a rib laughing at that

In light of Kev's post on his blog saying he did spend the 600 dollars, I still stand by my personal feelings on how this was dealt with publicly on here.

No one died right?

Not quite in the Blatchly mould either. IMO the correct thing to do after all of the hard and often unpaid work Kev had done for Blonde would have been to deal with this privately between Kev and Tikay.

He gave you his loyalty for a long time, but was rewarded with a kick in the balls, at a time in his life when it was the last thing he needed.

I laughed when people on here worried Blatch may harm himself as it was obvious that was never gonna happen. In Kev's case, you're dealing with someone who may well see this as the final straw. I really hope not.

Tighty asked me to proof-read & correct his Post before he made it, & I did make a few changes. Unfortunately, in my haste, I missed something which I now realise was very relevant. No excuses, my bad.

Tighty Posted this (in italics), but it must be incorrect. I have no idea who got confused here, but somebody did, if my records are correct. I have enboldened a few words, as the context of them is material.

".....During the course of the conversation I established a sequence of events according to Kev. I reported these verbatim to tikay the same night.
 
The sequence of events as stated to me was as follows
 
- Kev had spoken to Brendan Hartnett's son on the day of the funeral and offered assistance with the online poker accounts and the repatriation of funds to the family
 
- Subsequent to that Kev had organised with Aqua that Brendan's account would be closed and the monies would be transferred to his blonde Poker account for forwarding to the family
 
- Kev then withdrew the monies and placed them onto Full Tilt Poker, the idea being that they would be transferred to Brendan Hartnett's account and thence onto the family...."

Brendan passed away on the 16th September 2008. See....http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=36964.0

The money was transferred from Brendan's Account to Kev on 23rd September 2008. We have the original e-mail stating this, & Kev's reply, thanking them, for their prompt assistance, the same day.

Brendan was buried on 30th September 2008, see http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=37216.0

blondepoker are guilty of failing to pay this money in a timely manner. I accept full responsibility for that. When Kev protested his innocence, I simply said he was guilty of gross negligence - no more, no less. He accepted this fully.

I have apologised to the Hartnett family for blondepopker's failure to act in a decent manner here. There were no excuses for that, & I did not blame anyone except myself.

To those who day I should not have Posted anything, you may - or may not - be right. I don't know. I did what I thought was corrct, based on this, & other issues, which I have become aware of in the last week.

Kev was a friend of mine, too. I wish him well in the future, & hope he gets his life back together.

 

So who's in this in the video, and where can I watch it?

Cheers

Hard thing to handle for Tighty, Flushy and TK. Knowing that it was going to get around to many people but not all if they didn't comment meant that a further statement would have been better from the beginning. It would have cut out people jumping to conclusions. I respect the decison that they made but it does worry me that there is a suggestion that people have access to other people's PM's and can use them at their will.

I'm almost certain mods can't access other members PMs

I thought this was the case. Just wanted to check if it is.

LMAO

Someone run a book on who it is

That would be me.  I was unconscious at the time as been acknowledged by the other party.  I was unaware that it was being filmed and subsequently circulated amongst a select group of people.  

Obviously respect for my privacy wasn't afforded to me and I believe this episode may be one of the other issues Tikay is referring to in his posts on this thread.

Yes, it may or may not have been the right way forward, with hindsight, I'm not sure. But it was my decision, along with Tighty. The other Mods were not party to the facts, the discussions or the decision.

As to the part I have enboldened, that is incorrect, or it as so far as I am aware. Mods, Admin, Shareholders, whoever, cannot access other Members PM's.

Even if I or we could, I'd not recommend it. It's like rifling through somone else's handbag, or wallet - you find things you wish you had not.

No Mod here has ever been able to view anyone else' PM's. If they have, tell me, give me the evidence, & they wil be down the road as soon as it's proven.

I agree, but also, not the only pretty sickening intrusion of someone's privacy that's come to light.

100% agree.

Tikay

Id be really interested to hear on what grounds you thought posting it, in the manner in which you did was right?

I am not sure I agree.!  If i stumbled upon my ex-g/f little black book diary after she had left, I would want to see what it said in there, and, in it there were some written facts about a crime that had happend in the past, and, if that crime was bad enough in my opinion, I would more than likely feel the need to inform the authorities and hand the diary over to the authorities to let them deal with it.  There is not a lot of difference here, electronic conversations or little black book, they are both in writing and both hold some evidence that needs to be presented.

I say, if you dont want someone to know some bad stuff, dont put it in writing and it can't come back to haunt ya.

Who is the villain, the person who brings the information forward, or the accused?  Might be neither, but in my opinion, certainly isn't the reporter..

Kev has just asked me to post this........................



kevin says:
 Please post the following.
 I may have got the basic timing facts wrong, it was nearly 2 years ago and I am on a lot of medication, however I am sure Brendans Son will be able to recall the converstaion we had, It may have been when he rang me to ask if he could use some of the words I had written about Brendan in his tribute thread. As to the way this has been handled, it has upset me more than anyone truly knows,  Yes I was
 negligent, and yes I was stupid, the least I feel I desrved was to make a public statement on the forum stating that I was resigning from my position as a mod and taking a break from the forum for the forseeable future, then all this unpleasantness could have been avoided. I will not react nor comment any further on this matter either on forum through a third party or on my blog. ... God bless ...
 it's been emotional.

That's fine. I always thought that was the case i just wanted to sure. The rest is nothing to do with me.

Surely what kev's ex has done with the msn stuff.

What an absolute joke of a thread. Sounds like what Kev did was wrong but i after reading all this bullshizz for the last 20 minutes i thought he'd killed someone or summat


lol @ the poker player from Luton who like ladies of the night to visit him armed with a selection of fruit and vegetables, the mind boggles!

PM's i can confirm no mod/admin/shareholder/staff or general member can access other peoples PM's without knowledge of the persons passwords

ADMINS only can change passwords for people which i often do at there request when they can no longer access there account due to it being linked to an old email address and them losing the cookie and forget the password when doing this i always ask them to change there password as the first thing they do as anyone who has had me do this for them will confirm.

IF i or any other ADMIN changed a password of an account the person who account we had changed would know when they tried to logg in as they wouldnt be able to get in

so basiically an ADMIN but not a mod or staff could techincally access someones PM's but if this was to happen the person would know about it, and the paper trail to the ADMIN in question would be lite up in floresent lights,

Watching a video of someone having sex, taken without permission, is about a million times greater invasion of privacy than an ex partner looking through your computer files.

I have to say I completely agree with this. I am disgusted that, as a person who felt they contributed so much to the forum and was in a position of trust, they did nothing to report this or take any action.

Quite possibly. I was answering a question & quoted a personal opinion. It remains my opinion, though if I had a need, or good reason to investigate something, I guess I'd do whatever I needed to. But to the best of my knowledge, nobody can access other people's PM on blonde. As I said earlier, if there is evidence to the contrary, let me know, & I'll deal with the matter.

I admire your bravery divulging this information Dawn..!!

Watching the video is not against the law however. Accessing someone's computer information without their permission is quite a serious criminal offence (Computer Misuse Act 2005) http://www.lancs.ac.uk/iss/governance/rules/cmisuse.htm

I know nothing about this particular instance, just talking generally of course.

an absolute over reaction on tikay,tighty and flushys part imo. the brendan incident could have and should have been dealt with privately and would have saved both sides alot of anquish and embaressment.

but i think it runs deeper than that, the video incident and subsequent conversation about it on msn seem to be the reason some parties are looking to destroy kev.

the video incident as kev stated wrong, but it had been dealt with months ago by the parties involved so why it has been brought up again god knows.
the msn convo was 2 men acting like schoolboys, we have all done that, many times in jest we have all got carried away and the convo got a bit gross.

kev was in no way involved in the making of the video so his only crime is a few crude comments about it. big deal!

kev you have my full support, have told you that on the phone, keep your chin up and dont let the b@st@rds grind you down

Inaction on his part, as a mod on blonde who has a responsibility to other members, is a crime imo. But this is only my opinion of course. Had the video been of your wife Charlotte would you have the same opinion?

Maybe not legally, but morally, especially when you know one of the people involved, there is no comparison.

Also legally this law is pretty irrelevant - it might technically be applicable but the spirit of it is to protect against fraud and damage with viruses and the like.

Think this is so tough because people obviously have their loyalties to all parties involved including Kev.

I think on this occasion it was a misjudgement to put up the thread- should have perhaps been dealt with privately or Kev should have been a chance to "resign" whilst this was dealt with behind closed doors. A cover up maybe but I think this would have been the right thing to do

pretty much this

It sounds like you are condoning that if a person (female/male) intends to have sex with another person (male/female), then falls asleep drunk, is it morally ok that the person still awake should be allowed to relieve their sexual desires anyways, and also video it, and also pass it around friends? 

turny Kev may be your mate but your doing yourself no favours in conducting yourself in this way. You're basically condoning rape which is lower than anything else that's been pu ton this thread by anyone- bain included.

I can see why your were banned now.

Surely Jane should resign as mod now? it would go some way to blonde not being so badly tarnished imo. people are already questioning if their PMs can be accessed by mods(which you have told us they cant which is good).

feel sorry for all involved it could have been done so much more privatly.

Bloody hell, I'm trying to remove posts from the thread and people are quoting them faster than I can get rid of them.

Sigh.

i dont think i said here anywhere that i thought the taking of the video or distributing it was right did i? so please dont put words in my mouth.

all i said is kev making some crude comments on msn about the video is no big deal imo

I did also mean to say that the way I read it is, the mod removal is relative to taking Brendan's money, not for the chat logs. 

PMs can't be accessed by mods - so not sure I understand your point.

well remove tracey dells which mentions my wife please if you are going to remove my right to reply

are you really that thick? where have i condoned rape?

kev says on his blog "also accessed were all of my PM’s on the forum"

I did not actually say you said it.  I said it sounds like you condone it..

I don't condone Kev's actions re the video but as he is voiceless i would just like to say  neither party in the msn converstion had any idea that the persons involved were anything but  willing participants.

then you misunderstood what im saying

That's not what they told me, but there ya go.

yes i think this means in order to restore the integrity of blonde Jane should also be de-modded.

If she got on the computer she probably didn't need the blonde password as most people are permenantly logged in.

Sandy

only way anyone can access PMs is if a person leaves there account logged in or someone knows there password

If someone has your computer, and your passwords then yes of course your PMs can be accessed.  They don't need to be mods to do this.

Whatever Jane did or didn't do is surely between Jane and Kev.

What has it got to do with Blondepoker?

i am still waiting

I believe the inference there was that access was not via "normal" means available to other Mods. Anyone can access anyone's anything based on the premise quoted.

For the sake of record, & once more.....

Mods, Admin, Shareholders, Directors, whatever, cannot access other Members PM's via the normal routes on blonde software, there is no software mechanism that allows it.


 

+1

De-modded and banned along with the other troublemaker. They are both, without doubt, worse than Kev in this situation.
People like them destroy the spirit and integrity of what this place is meant to be.
Kev never did, he only made it a great place and was a brilliant face promoting blonde.

Regardless whether she accessed his PM's in her capacity as a mod or not, are you saying that blonde don't consider the untrustworthiness of this individual merits removal as a mod?

Place is being run by fuckwits from what I'm seeing here.

Geo

Mods should have integrity and be honest and trustworthy.

POTY

shes a mod, logging in on someone elses username and reading pms etc.

+1

its still a mod looking at someone elses email without their permission no mtter if she had the password or not she didnt have permission.

whats kevs msn convo's got to do with blonde poker?

It was a personal situation between the two of them.

Unlike Kev she couldn't keep quiet about what she knew - I'm not condoning her action, it was an invasion of privacy but ffs; have you never split up with someone acrimoniously?

The results may have been public, but the action was personal and clearly only related to their relationship - I don't think it reveals anything about her integrity in general.

more to do with it than kev laughing at a video

Geo,

You have made an assumption with no evidence.

Kev says x about Jane.

Pretty sure Jane will say Y about Kev.

I'm sure Kev has more believers but it's hardly a fact based on this although it will probably stick.

It may well be correct but try proving it to a decent degree of certainty.

Sandy

I have not seen evidence that he did just that.  ie.. Kev said it in his blog, so it must be correct..!!    Kev is being very bitter about it all in his blog and could be saying anything to get Jane into trouble.

That'll be me, then.

As I explained, at some length today, to someone else, (via PM) when placed in the position we were, it was a little tricky to handle, & do the right thing. And maybe we - or more correctly, I - did not.

It's easy to stand where you are & say that Geo, but try standing here, handling this mess whilst at the same time holding down a full-time job & trying to live your own life. Mistakes do happen, & maybe I made a few. I don't actually know yet, I'm dizzy with everything flying around.

More details have emerged this afternoon that I was unaware of, to be honest, (on the thread) & the whole thing is dynamic, so maybe there will be further chapters in the story, as it seems to be getting wider by the moment.

Restrict your "run by fuckwits" comments to Tighty & myself, though, the other Mods were not in the loop.

kev bitter ,lol i think i would if some nosey bitch had been looking through all my personal information wouldnt u?

gd post

Given the openness of the posts, I take it no legal proceedings are in process re the video?

The point I was making was, the bitterness of Kev, putting the comment in his blog, does not necessarily mean it is true..  At the end of his recent blog post, he makes a lot of bitter accusations.  It all depends whether you believe someone that bitter.  I am not saying it is a lie or a truth, but, the last few posts before this one are asking for a mod to be banned, and, there aint no evidence to backup that, and if there is, maybe she should be banned...  But, only when and if...

its seemed to only become a mess when you posted it tho Tony. didn't seem there was anything to have to handle until then.

While you're here it would be good if you could actually address some of the important points on the thread.

the evidence is all over his pc

the overriding impression i got when i had a beer with kev and tighty one night was Wow these guys really really really love blonde. this is all very sad, but at the end of the day nobody is perfect. nobody. i hope that tikay doesn't just think fuck it and pull the plug on this forum. i also hope that maybe one day kev will be allowed (and want to) come back on.

be tez if we all had to post on other forums although it sounds like at least one of us would fit in well at Punters lounge :)

Well then if that's true, I take the blame. To be fair, though, that's a strange logic train. Nothing has changed, (except that the Hartnett family have been paid), it's just out in the open now.

But you may be right. Try standing here, in my shoes, though, it's not quite as easy as you or some of those sniping may think.

If I was, or am, wrong, well I'm sorry. I'm not sure I was though, & when you eventually see all the stuff, maybe your line might change.

It's a bit hard to see the wood for the trees now, to be honest.

Still, we've established I'm a fuckwit. Clears that one up, eh?

So you're basically saying that blonde aren't posting all the facts but allowing people to speculate nonetheless and comment in a thread that's quite frankly a mess

join the club mate fuckwits are the new donks IMHO we will take over the world

And you have video of who was present in the house and what they did while there ?

I'm not going to say you are wrong especially since you might be correct but your standard of proof is very low.

You want Jane to be able to get rewarded in court for something you can't prove ?

Sandy

so what is the other stuff appearing from kevs personal information then tony? or is it just a remark to keep the followers happy?

by the way i agree with your last comment ;-)

The finasl sentence whooshed me, but it's a great Post, & as with all blonde threads, I think it signals "the move in the market".

You could not make this up, (though I can prove it), but exactly 3 minutes before you Posted that, a long-standing blonde, & a friend, Texted me, along the lines of "why don't you just pull the plug on the forum & be done with it?".

Not a bad question really. Especially as I looked at my Bank Statement today, (to see if Tom Hartnett had cashed the cheque I sent him), showing that once again, this week, I've paid the monthly Forum Host costs of £234, enabling the Forum to remain "live", & so I can be told I'm a "fuckwit". I think I probably am.

Anyway, must go, I had plans for this evening, but Cos is tapping his foot, demanding answers.

And I have an abusive PM from the upstanding Ariston to reply to.

who mentioned court?

Shame it's all come to this really. In retrospect I am sure this thread would have been done in a different manner, either keeping it private or letting Kev go with some dignity.

Tarnishing Kev with other things that are irrelevant (and last months news) to this forum only shows up the snakes and rats that like to kick someone when they are at rock bottom.

While his actions were misguided and not pleasant, overtime you can understand and forgive Kev, no one will be hurting more than him.

Inthebelly sure is a loyal cookie to his friends and that's exactly what Kev needs right now.

Good luck away from the forums Kev.

Oh please!

An oversight by one of our ex employees has been bought to our attention.

Full details of Brendan's account balance and what followed.

The error has been corrected and the family are satisfied and happy.

As Kev is no longer an employee there is little we can do, however he feels that its best he now resigns as a moderator.

We have also banned one member and one moderator who have handled this in a self righteous spiteful way.



Company image intact, the right thing done. So many people on this thread are missing the point its untrue, and to say its because people havent run a company before is just ridiculous.

sigh at explaining jokes, the cucumbers thing, another type of punter ???

Some fella called Sandy, i believe.

Sandy

yes kev certainly does need friends right now and im sure he appreciates your good wishes.

as for me rightly or wrongly im the sort of person who doesnt like injustices especially against my family and friends so will fight tooth and nail if i see this happening.
also 2 faced people get to me ;-)

My thoughts exactly.

[  ] Dunk can use checkboxes correctly

I think some of Kev's friends have chosen to believe everything he says as 100% the truth, and that is admirable as support to a friend goes.  But..  There are things that I have read here in this thread, and on his blog, that appear to untruths by Kev which make me wonder how many of the other parts are truth or untruth.

ie. I have been working on PC's for 20+ years, and I have never seen any way that a PC records that files were copied to a particular mobile device.  It says just that in Kev's blog, he has evidence, he says.  I dont think it is true.  I dont know any way in Windows that this could be done, maybe someone can enlighen me.  The log files would be bigger than you could understand.

I was prepared to accept that the money from Brendan's acct was an oversight as Kev says, but, then I see dates explained by Tikay, that the money was taken 1 week after his death and 1 week before his funeral, so now, I am wondering what the truth is.  The dates dont lie.

I have no axe to grind with Kev, but, I hope you can see my point of view regarding inconsistencies.  I just makes me wonder how many more there are.

nothing at all two faced about going to a guys funeral and then to his families home for the wake then stealing there money

To you, & Cos.

I'm saying what I'm saying. "other stuff" is appearing. I do not read Kev's Blog, though I did (prior to going to Vegas) try to ring him at least once a week to have a natter with him. But stuff has emerged today which I was personally unaware of. Others may have been, I was not. It may or may have been in his Blog, I've no idea. I was genuinely not aware that his parting of the ways with Jane was acrimonous, & thus there is/was considerable side-action. That may or may not have been naive on my part, but my days are pretty full, from start to finish, & I miss a lot of stuff that goes off, or gets Posted. But I'm reading this thread, so I'm learning "new stuff".

As to your final line, yes, I'm also fully aware of your (& Geo's) opinion of me. And Ariston's view of me.

also i have asked for a post by another member to be removed because my reply to her question was deemed to be inappropriate so my right to reply was taken away.

after asking numerous mods this still hasnt been done and no explanation as to why.

favouratism?

has anyone called the police yet????     lolololol


sounds like the army might be need for this thread

lol nice one. classy.

You handled the thread poorly, don't blame me when I'm confused as hell about what's going on.

You've done nothing at all to add any clarity apart from the fact you pay x/month for blonde and that mods can not see ppls pms.

[  ] these are the answers we are looking for.

Tikay, why do you always spin your posts to make yourself sound like the victim and airing out looking for sympathy?

It's an unnerving trait you constantly seem to have, maybe you should work on empathy as a way forward.

I'm afraid I still don't understand, but no matter. If it refers to something in another thread, I've not seen it, sorry.

Well Put - instead Kev's been hung up to dry for people with grudges to get their shots at him, the thing about the video's come out in public & hte victim in that episode has to go through it all again & the community, well, isn't a community any more.

his blog

potw

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exactly. the video thing was done and dusted between those involved

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You might be right there, too.

But if you don't like the way I manage things, you are not forced to stay here.

Correction.

I've been reminded that I stated that I had an abusive PM from Ariston. This was incorrect. It was a text.

I quite like it here thank you, it is just your overstated sense of self importance that sticks in the craw now and then.

I think the bizarre thing about this is that Kev hasn't actually repaid the money. Tikay has. I hope Kev pays it back, as allowing him to keep it is a crime in itself imo.

i hope not i hope the creep involved in making the video gets charged and locked up, who knows who wife mother sister girlfriend he could do it to next

Definitely more intelligent than I thought.

Hard to see anything other than vindictiveness as the root of all this unpleasantness (Kev's rather dumb move on the money notwithstanding)

Like I said, feel free to go elsewhere.

Kev has asked both Tightend and tikay where to send the money and NEITHER has replied

Dont pull the plug, Im thinking of giving my tv license money to Tikay for providing more entertainment on blonde than on the bbc

Nah I'll stay thanks because 'you' are not blonde the members are.

That's the third time I've tried to quote a post and it's been deleted!

What a mess, seems most of the people making judgements and banning people are judging that persons actions and have the bare faced cheek to just carry on as if their own actions on several points of this story are fine/not getting severely reprimanded.

It seems that looking at a video that someone has sent to you is then put forward as something that should be a sackable offence, but knoicking off your mates/work colleagues girlfriend behind his back and then holding some sort of kangaroo court to totally over react to a later transgression he does is at best arrogant and at worst disgusting. Human nature and appetite mean these things are an everyday thing in most walks of life but so is failling to do your job to the proper level and it seems that by throwing as much inuendo at the other guy regarding what he hasnt'has done is deflecting the disgraceful actions of others, peopole that are higher up in the pecking order but facing no comeback on what they have done.

How is watching a clip someone sends to you more serious than telling all and sundry that someone they all know liks the odd vegetable inserted wherever. One side is making a judgement on the other person when if you write down their actions they are disgraceful too. As for ambushing someones PC and passing on details you find, no matter what the circumstances, it seems the person got what they wanted, in a set of things to hit the guy over the head with and discredit him.

So now I find that a load of people I liked and respected have all acted in a dreadful manner but half of em have got together to make sure everyone knows what the other side did.

what an awful place this has turned into.

Maybe some rebranding or marketing is overdue. I was under the impression that Blonde was a poker forum. All I've seen in the last couple of months is scandal after scandal.

Anyone got a bad beat story they wanna get off their chest?

i posted then and then deleated it myself thinking it was a bit strong.,.,.why dont everyone just chill.,.
he said this she said that.,.,chit is just winding everyone up.,.,.no-one pays to come on this forum.,.its for free.,.,so when something is.,.,.,ohhh fuk it i dont know what to say just ALL CHILL OUT AND STOP TAKING CHEAP SHOTS..,.,.,

He has offered to, directly (on Sunday I believe) & several times via third parties.

A transfer on Full-Tilt has been offered, but I've not opened my Full-Tilt account in 5 o 6 years that I recall, & heaven knows what the password & stuff is. It's not top of my list of priorities right now, I have one or two other plates to keep spinning.

I think plenty will be thinking along those lines.

as for BAM he's not complained the forum or how it's managed, he's pointed out a character trait that he's noticed - something you can be wont to do as well.

Correct. See my subsequent Post.

People's commitment to Kev is admirable and I also truly hope he gets his life back on track BUT Kev has done wrong here,he has said that he spent the money that was Brendan's,that is not right and this has made Blonde look bad.People can bitch and moan all they like and be the great friend by criticising but Flushy,Tighty and Tikay all came to this decision and between them thought this was the correct way forward,If Tighty had've made the OP or Flushy had've do they get the same shit ? It may look like I'm taking sides but I'm not I have no reason to as I no all parties similarly,just saying it how I see it.I think a few people are way out of order here,imho!!!

Great post

No one has come out of this with any credit

message from rookie

" i and kev have chased numerous times
 including vinny
 looking for somewhere to send it too

  the money is with the majority shareholder in blonde now "

They're not going to pull the plug, they're fielding a takeover bid from Bandit's forum empire.

Hang on he's said he spent it way back then - this indeed was wrong - but then he repaid it into the account back then as well (& I presume this can be shown).

The guy's been homeless for a while I doubt he could have paid it back in a bid to not suffer the consequences of his private stuff being dished out to anyone it might turn against him, they don't do crisis loans for that.

Kev did wrong, and handled it badly - & as such working for blonde or modding wouldn't be a good idea, I can't blame blonde for that decision - BUT the way it was dealt with has beena public hanging out to dry.

I'm not going to call Kev when he can't reply,I like Kev and all I've said is what he said he done and the blatant obviousness that it was wrong ? I also agree with you this has been handled wrong but that wasn't one man's decision,I thought Flushy's earlier post summed it up pretty much perfectly.

From someone who is standing on the outside of the situation, with no ties of friendship to either side of the story, I'm somewhat amazed at the vindictiveness and vitriol to have surfaced from this incident. First and foremost, irrespective of everything else for the moment -- Brendan Hartnett's estate was due a sum of money from blondepoker; a sum of money which wasn't paid and thus it is as stated previously a poor reflection upon the business.

Given that his son felt that this forum contained many of his closest friends (which I am given to understand it did, from what I remember of the blonde bash in Luton) he no doubt never expected this kind of delay. I think the oversight in him not returning Kev's phone call is moot, he was no doubt busy with the affairs of a recently loss parent. As someone who recently underwent this transition in life myself I can imagine why he might not have returned the call.

Unfortunately, that doesn't free you of the obligation to get the money to him. In short, though, the money was spent and he never got it. Kev has explained his reasons and no matter the intentions it is the basic fact that you have to consider -- it reflects poorly upon the company and they decided to act upon it. If I had done this in my line of work, I'd have been made unemployed and told I was no longer welcome also.

From everything that I've seen over the years, and from Kev himself, I don't doubt that he's a good and honest man. His situation is obviously at rock bottom for the present and I think you're doing those that run blonde poker a disservice if you honestly believe they've done this to further kick him where it hurts out of petty vindictiveness. They've got to look out for their own interests also, and no matter how you want to consider the manner in which it was dealt with I think it is going to come down the same path. It is you, as the reader of this post, that pressed and hounded and nagged to ascertain the reasons and what has occurred. Now that you finally got what you wanted everybody is up in arms about it.

It doesn't matter how they word the difficult situation that it is, eventually you'd have all wormed your way into the heart of the issue and you're faced with this matter all of the same. I appreciate that everyone wants to target the Mod who was once in a relationship with Kev for revealing whatever sensitive and damaging information that she did -- however, that's more of a personal matter in split partners over something to do with the forum. Roles reversed, and such sensitive information was found can you honestly sit there and say you would do nothing about it? I don't think you can until you're faced with the situation yourself. Irrespective of the motives, I think it's better that the air is cleared.

Curiosity and the ability to not leave things alone got you here. No matter how the incident was worded, you folks would have wormed your way to the rotten core of the apple to find out what has happened and slammed them all the same because it has simply turned into a fight between the friends of Kev against the guys that are running the forum. It's human nature to be curious, but then you should accept what you find impassively over incidents such as this and leave your emotional attachments at the door.

would appear that everyone involved has made a total mess of their bit, leading to a shit storm for everyone.

Its a private enterprise and thus could be handled however the powers that be chose to.

Kev was employed by his friends who own the enterprise, kev makes mistake and gets very publicly fucked for it, orchestrated by his friends. Who needs enemies eh.

How on earth were you a very successful man in business tikay if you thought this was the best way to proceed?

GL Kev, you committed a misdemeanour and got the electric chair for it.

aristons abusive text lmao


my abusive text to tikay- please anyone on blonde quote this before my name starts being slagged as well....." dont care what hes done that thread is a disgrace the man is clinically depressed and you could push him over the edge. if he does something stupid i hope you will be proud of yourself. i had you down as a bigger man than a drama lover tony"... that is my abusive text to him...drama lover???

I was told last week that the Police have opened a Formal Inquiry. I have no idea if that is true.

Mods, perhaps it's time you locked the thread again.

Why, because the owners are being found to not being totally upfront?

Geo

Ariston please put down your weapons!

Been really thinking about this, really genuinely deeply thinking, especially as I've always liked Tikay. I've so often felt a great deal of empathy/sympathy with some of the problems he has had to deal with here given it's essentially a free service to all of us.

In some senses I feel quite forgiving to Tikay who is busy, somewhat disconnected from the forum at the mo' etc and a bit of a drama queen ( I hope we can still talk after calling you a drama queen).

However, behind Tikays original post is a back story, advice, one-eyed counsel that leads to Tikay's OP which was, I think, undeniably unnecessary - it could have been handled in so many other ways that protect the company as others have pointed out. So, I find it quite easy to forgive the OP as a mistake.

However, behind thie scenes (let Tikay take the lash) some people have acted with a level of malevolence, piety, vindictiveness etc etc that I find it hard to articulate - but I'll try - these people have acted despicably so I kinda despise them now.

I lolled

Geo

Kev has asked me to post this.

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Please post a final final comment for me on that thread.   I wish everyone would just stop now, lock the thread and move on, I really hate to see the place I love imploding like this. I will not be revisiting the thread.

lol, oops xx

I've no idea, maybe I got lucky, but I don't think I would usually claim to be "successful" anyway.

I've explained at length & several times, I did what I thought was right, but I may have been wrong, who knows?, but if I were wrong, I'm sorry, & no doubt I'll have to pay my bills, metaphorically. I've also explained several times that those complaining should try being in the spot we were in - it's a lot more complex than you seem to think. But you & me are standing in very different places. I understand why you would see it differently, & I hope you'll try to see it's different from my perspective, too.

The place isn't imploding and will survive this, of that there is no doubt

+1

Not much constructive has been posted for ages.

I hope Kev's recovery continues and wish him all the best for the future.

You could, you know, pick up the phone and talk to Kev. Couldn't do any harm, like.

It's the boy in relaedgc's signature that I feel sorry for. Did he know that someone would video an abusive act being perpetrated against him while slept then spread it all over the internet without his permission? Disgusting and blondepoker should be ashamed for allowing content like this to be republished. In fact relaedgc's should have his modship removed and get a 'life means life' perma bar, without any right to reply. In fact, has anyone called the police yet? No, I guess not, the same people who run this site are the same people who negligently failed to see the seriousness of relaedgc's actions, or realise the horrifying moral implications of their inaction. Pull the plug, blow the server, just don't video it without the server's consent!

hold on a minute, the guy that was in the vid, or recording the vid is a mod on here?

Did i misunderstand or is that correct?

Prior to going to Vegas, I did - every week, sometimes twice a week. Did everyone else, especially those who are bemoaning the fact that he's sick, & needs help? Did they?

Sunday was a very awkward call, for him, & for me. In due course I'll ring him, when the dust has settled. Whether he'll take the call remains to be seen. If he does not, I don't blame him one iota.

 

You misunderstood. Well I think you did. It whooshed me, too, but I expect a point was being made obliquely. 

This

Nothing more can be gained by continuing this thread other than continuing to give the forum members a viable alternative to Eastenders and Coronation Street.  The problem with this forum is (despite the rights and wrongs of this thread, of which I think we all have a view) the continued "its my club and if you don't like it you can go somewhere else" and the fact the forum is linked to company that causes the problems.  It surfaced in this thread again - and is at the root of all the issues this thread has caused and why it appeared in the first place.

Forums linked to a business are notoriously impossible to moderate - that's why so many businesses shy away from the use of social networking and new media as they have to manage the potential conflict with their brand.  Betfair do it well - however they would NEVER make public comments in public on why memebrs were banned, who would be taking a break ever - they just do it.  In any other business would the "Chairman" say to "customers" go somewhere esle if you don't like it? Or post like Tikays opening post?  No, as they are customers.  Blonde is not a business anymore.  It sits in between two camps, that's the whole reason this thread has become public. - needed to survive

Probably clumsily put - however no commercial streams now, limited potential - just a forum for members.  It has a CEO ffs - why?  I think for the forum to get on track I'd disconnect the commercial side, use some simple rakeback affiliates to pay for hosting and let it self police with independant mods that don't answer to shareholders  And close this threaD!.  If I was in Flushy's shoes I'd wonder what I had got involved in.  

thanks for clearing that up.

I have no opinion

The Mods do not answer to the Shareholders, & are fully independent. Ask them.

Unrelated, but due to time pressures, I have not Modded for about 6 months, maybe longer, & have not Posted on the Mods Board (until last week) for several months. Again, they will confirm that.

all the mods are independant and NORMALLY are consulted over ALL issue revolving round the forum, we dont answer to shareholders allthough they can remove our status at any time this has never come up in any disagreement we have had in the running of the forum
anyone who knows me would know i would never be anyones puppet

Does this mean that Kev doesn't want to prove his innocence?

Wasn't a pop Tikay - just a view that maybe blondepoker needs to regain its identity as either a business or a forum - not both.  That's the root of this, if the poker room incident had been managed with Kev, as a business issue it would be fine.  My point is if betfair sacked a trader or poker room manager or disciplined them, they would not feel the need to post on their forum.  And most companies don't have to worry as they don't have a forum as well

Respect that Ironside and apologies if offended, however trhe fact normally is in capitals sort of proves my point - no offence meant to you.  Just making some points about how to avoid this as it's sad, been here since 2005 on and off and it should be community or not if that makes sense.

On that note I am off to play the $100 rebuy on iPoker lololol

sack the mods, sack the mods, sack the mods (8)

we want rookie back say we want rookie back (8)
 
let the shrewdies take over, get the fun back onto the forum, stop all the drama and bring back the forum that was once the best poker forum in England.

Having just said that I don't "hands on" Mod these days, I have a Moderation issue now whuich I guess I need to handle myself.

Kev has sent me a (pleasant) Text, & he asks that the thread be closed, to keep it going is serving no purpose. He said more, too, though unless he says as much, I'm not sure it would be right to Post it. But it was not unpleasant, not at all.

I need to think on this now, but I'm minded to lock the Thread whilst I think about his question/suggestion/request.

Iron's point was, I believe, that on THIS occasion, The Mods were not consulted by Tighty or myself, we handled it alone, for a whole variety of compelling reasons.

Thread Locked for now.

as tikay pointed out the word normally was capitalisted was because this is i think the first issue that was handle by the owners and ceo without the knowledge of the mods. as mods we are reasonsible for the forum and have the same voting rights as tikay when it comes to normal forum issues and we have a say in the appointing of  new mods.

TBH i am glad i wasnt consulted on this issue as kev is a good friend of mine and i would not have had a clue how to handle this and i am not known for my skills in comunicating