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Title: I'm crap at Golf!!!!!
Post by: Hairydude on July 29, 2010, 01:57:51 PM
Hey, know there must be a few players on here.

I've recently taken up golf and i'm pretty awful tbh; had a few lessons and got a few pointers but have the worst slice in the world!

So anyway can anybody recommend and good intructional videos; either through DVD or online to try and get better!

My mate suggested an anti-slice driver but not really interested in that....wanna learn to do it right rather than compensate for it.

The thing is my Irons are fine; and if anything have a slight draw which is ok so its mainly driving I need to learn


Title: Re: I'm crap at Golf!!!!!
Post by: EvilPie on July 29, 2010, 02:04:23 PM
I don't play golf and never have but I can remember a similar thread from a while back.

Basically get more lessons is the answer if I remember correctly.

Good luck.


Title: Re: I'm crap at Golf!!!!!
Post by: Graham C on July 29, 2010, 02:14:16 PM
Practice imo


Title: Re: I'm crap at Golf!!!!!
Post by: LeKnave on July 29, 2010, 02:21:12 PM
lessons > instructional vid

only real way you'll improve is lessons.


Title: Re: I'm crap at Golf!!!!!
Post by: titaniumbean on July 29, 2010, 02:26:32 PM
Hey, know there must be a few players on here.

I've recently taken up golf and i'm pretty awful tbh; had a few lessons and got a few pointers but have the worst slice in the world!

So anyway can anybody recommend and good intructional videos; either through DVD or online to try and get better!

My mate suggested an anti-slice driver but not really interested in that....wanna learn to do it right rather than compensate for it.

The thing is my Irons are fine; and if anything have a slight draw which is ok so its mainly driving I need to learn




You slice it because the club goes outside the correct line when you go back, when you are then on your downswing you are coming across the ball slightly from the outisde (right if your right handed).

Things to combat a slice are, taking the club back correctly, rolling your hands over more on impact or addressing the ball with a stance intended to force a draw shot (ie left foot a few inches further forward than your right so that your feet align you slightly to the right of the target. Putting your feet like that forces you to take the club back more around you (inside) and less outside the line, do this enough so that you dont fade but don't go so far that you draw it lots.

Getting a lesson down a range with a video camera so the person can show you how it looks and what exactly is wrong where is probably a good idea. :)up
GL.


Title: Re: I'm crap at Golf!!!!!
Post by: sweet potata! on July 29, 2010, 03:39:21 PM
Hey, know there must be a few players on here.

I've recently taken up golf and i'm pretty awful tbh; had a few lessons and got a few pointers but have the worst slice in the world!

So anyway can anybody recommend and good intructional videos; either through DVD or online to try and get better!

My mate suggested an anti-slice driver but not really interested in that....wanna learn to do it right rather than compensate for it.

The thing is my Irons are fine; and if anything have a slight draw which is ok so its mainly driving I need to learn




You slice it because the club goes outside the correct line when you go back, when you are then on your downswing you are coming across the ball slightly from the outisde (right if your right handed).

Things to combat a slice are, taking the club back correctly, rolling your hands over more on impact or addressing the ball with a stance intended to force a draw shot (ie left foot a few inches further forward than your right so that your feet align you slightly to the right of the target. Putting your feet like that forces you to take the club back more around you (inside) and less outside the line, do this enough so that you dont fade but don't go so far that you draw it lots.

Getting a lesson down a range with a video camera so the person can show you how it looks and what exactly is wrong where is probably a good idea. :)up
GL.


I find all this inside the line , outside the line, rolling hands , break wrists talk very complicated,

PUT BALL IN HOLE , simple as that methinks......


Title: Re: I'm crap at Golf!!!!!
Post by: ChipRich on July 29, 2010, 04:33:06 PM
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Title: Re: I'm crap at Golf!!!!!
Post by: moonandback on July 29, 2010, 04:47:54 PM
a slice occurs because the club face is pointing right at impact, the most common cause of that is the club pointing right at address, the fact that you slice a driver but hit irons straightish would suggest to me that you are aiming right and "coming over the top" on the downswing pulling the ball to the left with the short irons and producing a slice with the longer clubs. I would work on your allignment put a club down on the ground parralel to where you want to hit it, your feet, hips and shoulders should be alligned with the club on the ground, i wouldnt try and take the club "inside" as titanium suggests as this can be overdone and will promote the over the top swing. if you take the club straight back and allow your shoulders to turn while keeping your head fairly steady you should get into a decent position at the top of the backswing.

just remember to practice your chipping and putting just as much as your driving it as it will have a greater impact on your scores than anything else.
I cant reccomend any dvd's but ben hogans book the modern fundamentals of golf is a book that every teaching proffesional i have ever met owns and refers too.
best of luck

Moon


Title: Re: I'm crap at Golf!!!!!
Post by: BigArmo on July 29, 2010, 05:12:09 PM
Leave your driver in the garage and use your 4 iron off the tee, once your swing improves then move upto your 3 wood and so on.
200 yd straight is alot better than 220-230 yds in the rough.
Plus you confidence will improve as your scores start to drop.

Good Luck and there's nothing like practice to get better.


Title: Re: I'm crap at Golf!!!!!
Post by: titaniumbean on July 29, 2010, 05:40:59 PM
a slice occurs because the club face is pointing right at impact, the most common cause of that is the club pointing right at address, the fact that you slice a driver but hit irons straightish would suggest to me that you are aiming right and "coming over the top" on the downswing pulling the ball to the left with the short irons and producing a slice with the longer clubs. I would work on your allignment put a club down on the ground parralel to where you want to hit it, your feet, hips and shoulders should be alligned with the club on the ground, i wouldnt try and take the club "inside" as titanium suggests as this can be overdone and will promote the over the top swing. if you take the club straight back and allow your shoulders to turn while keeping your head fairly steady you should get into a decent position at the top of the backswing.

just remember to practice your chipping and putting just as much as your driving it as it will have a greater impact on your scores than anything else.
I cant reccomend any dvd's but ben hogans book the modern fundamentals of golf is a book that every teaching proffesional i have ever met owns and refers too.
best of luck

Moon


Having also had issues with going from irons to woods. I found that it was mainly because of the different weight of the clubs/distance and the amount of 'roll from the wrists'. I wouldn't turn my wrists enough through the ball with the heavier/longer clubs and hence used to push it out to the right. The same stance with an iron would result in a straight and good shot (yeah go me).

I've found that excercises with two irons in my hand pre round working on the feel of my wrists rotating has really helped the driver feel less heavy, less hard to bring through correctly. Similarly shortening your grip on it has a similar effect.

The reason I suggested a movement in the feet area as opposed to different address was because a) easier to describe over a forum b) it helps you feel how you should take it back and overdoing it just teaches you more about your swing, you can always shift between the two and c) imo with the woods etc its better to have a very slight draw than a fade.


It's often really helpful to go down to a range or practice room which has the fake grass mats, but one where there are lots of different coloured lines on it to show you what a 'straight back swing is' compared to a 'fade outside to inside' or 'draw inside to outside'.



Couple of tips for stance etc.

obviously using clubs to align your feet, practice hip/feet shoulder alignment as they should all be aiming in the same place.

try placing a tee peg about 8 inches behind the ball, make sure that on your backswing you skim the tee (move it so that it's in a comfortable position depending on your height etc) but it helps you focus on bringing the club back in the correct way, similarly you come back down and go over it on the downswing. On the follow through best tip I can give is to just stop the club at the end of your swing and stare at the tea/spot you've just hit from and count to 3. That will help you keep still and not bring your head up etc.




Title: Re: I'm crap at Golf!!!!!
Post by: ACE2M on July 29, 2010, 07:24:36 PM
lessons are the best by a mile. went from 20 to 11, thought i was the bollocks so stopped lessons, i'm off 18 ish again now.


Title: Re: I'm crap at Golf!!!!!
Post by: Acidmouse on July 29, 2010, 07:30:32 PM
I learn from lots of playing. Some require lessons others by watching videos. I guess you will have to find whats best for you.

My tip is try and improve via practice and your own analysis first as it keeps the golf swing and thinking natural and uncomplicated.





Title: Re: I'm crap at Golf!!!!!
Post by: marcro on July 29, 2010, 07:43:44 PM
Videos and books will help to give you a good understanding of what is required for a good golf swing.  Once you have this knowledge, you need to have lessons from a good teaching pro.  Having knowledge on the golf swing will help you with lessons.


Title: Re: I'm crap at Golf!!!!!
Post by: titaniumbean on July 29, 2010, 08:43:48 PM
Youtube is your friend.


YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jp1BvVQbUTQ
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-1y8lEJUqo


There is tonnes :)


Title: Re: I'm crap at Golf!!!!!
Post by: Rockstar on July 29, 2010, 08:51:07 PM
Hey, know there must be a few players on here.

I've recently taken up golf and i'm pretty awful tbh; had a few lessons and got a few pointers but have the worst slice in the world!

So anyway can anybody recommend and good intructional videos; either through DVD or online to try and get better!

My mate suggested an anti-slice driver but not really interested in that....wanna learn to do it right rather than compensate for it.

The thing is my Irons are fine; and if anything have a slight draw which is ok so its mainly driving I need to learn

So many players struggle because the basics are not right,making sure you have the correct grip is vital to improve your game

If you get the basics right the rest will soon follow,then its just prcatice,practice,and practice im afraid

Good luck!


Title: Re: I'm crap at Golf!!!!!
Post by: neildawson on July 29, 2010, 09:50:52 PM
When the summer comes I do spend a lot of time studying the game / my own game. I have read MANY books and watched MANY instructional vids but the Peak Performance Golf Swing (which you'll find plastered all over the internet) has helped me most most recently. It covers the fundamentals well enough and if you're starting off, this will stop you filling your head with some of the stuff 'traditional' teachers recommend and give you good reasons why.

I know this sounds like a plug for them, but I can assure you I am in no way affiliated with them. I was a 5 handicapper who's struggled to break 80 consistently for the past two years and as a result went back up to 7. I was thinning and hitting it fat regularly and was ready to jack golf in in frustration. I bought this in May as a last resort almost and I'm SOOO glad I did. Learning the correct grip, correcting my stance to suit the limits of my own body and limiting my back-swing has REALLY helped my ball-striking and as a result I'm going out there each and every time with so much more confidence. I'm back down to 6 and hope to be back at 5 by the end of the year (typically, as soon as I got the long game 'sorted' I lost a putting stroke that had served me well for so many years).

There are 10 free trial vids available and some others you can find on YouTube - OBV try then first. I bought the downloadable series straight away (it was cheaper and easier than a lesson for me) safe in the knowledge that it comes with a money back guarantee I have no intention of cashing in.

Keep us posted and all the best!



Title: Re: I'm crap at Golf!!!!!
Post by: sovietsong on July 29, 2010, 10:01:57 PM
Buy some really expensive clubs, ones that are tailored to you.


Title: Re: I'm crap at Golf!!!!!
Post by: Tiger-flash on August 02, 2010, 12:48:26 PM
First and formost, get your clubs custom fitted, buy books, videos and practice. I bought a practice net with a target for chipping which i use in my garden.This saves you (in the long run) a lot time and money instead of going to a driving range and just blasting a lot of balls and not knowing what you are doing. Get a few lessons too as i was playing to 23 handicap and realised that my grips were too small. I also bought some plastic 30% balls and used them on the park near my home. Since ive changed my grips, had lessons etc i now play of 18 comfortably and beat an eleven handicapper after shooting 3 over at morley hayes tower course. I also won my works compitition playing off 24 after scoring 37 points off 3 quarter 18 handicap stableford.  I shot 17 over so it can be done! like poker, football, golf or anything in life if you fail to prepare, you will prepare to fail. Hope you do ok and lets us know how you get on mate, regards TIGERflash c",)


Title: Re: I'm crap at Golf!!!!!
Post by: anthonyl on August 02, 2010, 03:30:57 PM
do you have steel or graphite golf club shafts?

also, go round a course with just a 7 iron, thats what the golf course pros made me do with them in the first few lessons


Title: Re: I'm crap at Golf!!!!!
Post by: Mango99 on August 02, 2010, 03:50:01 PM
I'm an avid golfer myself (have just started taking it more seriously) playing off around 21 at the mo. I also have a terrible slice though, especially on the woods and longer irons :(

ty for the tips on this thread :) I'll put some of them in to practice. Going to check the Peak Performance golfswing thing now. Would be great if they had an iphone version so you could take it with you to the range.

OP, how about uploading a clip of your swing? I downloaded a great golf app on the iphone called iSwing. You can film your swing (get a mate to do it, or balance the phone somehow), then play it back in slo-mo drawing lines all over it. I've found it useful to compare my setup and swing with that of a mate who plays off 12 and with the included pro golfer clips (you can compare side-by-side).


Title: Re: I'm crap at Golf!!!!!
Post by: neildawson on August 02, 2010, 04:05:04 PM
Going to check the Peak Performance golfswing thing now. Would be great if they had an iphone version so you could take it with you to the range.

It is downloadable to your iPhone :)


Title: Re: I'm crap at Golf!!!!!
Post by: Mango99 on August 02, 2010, 05:54:36 PM
Going to check the Peak Performance golfswing thing now. Would be great if they had an iphone version so you could take it with you to the range.

It is downloadable to your iPhone :)
Awesome. Thanks Neil. I'll get on to that right away :)

edit: I can't find it in the appstore. Is there somewhere else I have to download it from?

edit again: Found it now.


Title: Re: I'm crap at Golf!!!!!
Post by: Herbie H on August 03, 2010, 05:48:39 AM
In my deluded opinion the most important thing to learn is how to hold the club properly, just practise the grip in your living room with a round tube or something and just get used to holding the club in a correct grip.


Title: Re: I'm crap at Golf!!!!!
Post by: Mango99 on August 03, 2010, 06:03:28 PM
Just back from playing 2 rounds at The Players in Bristol (an extremely hard par 72 course). Played a bowmaker comp in the morning, where our team scored 88 stableford points (I'm not sure if that's good or bad, but we seemed to be birdieing all over the place, so I'm guessing good?).

My shot of the day was hitting a 135 yard 7-iron off the fairway on a S.I. 1, Par 4, into wind, into the hole(!) for a net albatross and hole-in-one! That was my best, and most satisfying golf shot ever! (the previous was a 95 yard fairway PW to in-the-hole) Get in :)

I think, as John Inverdale says every time he's on telly discussing golf, that's what makes golf so addictive. You can play a horribly shit round, but then hit such a peach of a shot that would have been at home in the US Masters, that you keep coming back for more. I know I do anyway! :)


Title: Re: I'm crap at Golf!!!!!
Post by: Tiger-flash on August 03, 2010, 10:51:38 PM
Just back from playing 2 rounds at The Players in Bristol (an extremely hard par 72 course). Played a bowmaker comp in the morning, where our team scored 88 stableford points (I'm not sure if that's good or bad, but we seemed to be birdieing all over the place, so I'm guessing good?).

My shot of the day was hitting a 135 yard 7-iron off the fairway on a S.I. 1, Par 4, into wind, into the hole(!) for a net albatross and hole-in-one! That was my best, and most satisfying golf shot ever! (the previous was a 95 yard fairway PW to in-the-hole) Get in :)

I think, as John Inverdale says every time he's on telly discussing golf, that's what makes golf so addictive. You can play a horribly shit round, but then hit such a peach of a shot that would have been at home in the US Masters, that you keep coming back for more. I know I do anyway! :)
top man! c",)