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Bottom 2 and a shit flush draw? Should i be in the hand to start with? What now? c/r or bet looking to get it in. or summat else?

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0.50/1 Omaha Hi Game Table (PL)  -  Mon Aug 2 11:19:12 EDT 2010
Table  137422  (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 5/6
Seat 1: Sam_98 ($119.03)
Seat 2: OptimusCrime ($185.38)
Seat 3: LetsgoAllOut ($72.26)
Seat 5: STUP1D_F1SH ($228.1)
Seat 6: simonv1 ($107.88)
OptimusCrime posts small blind (0.5)
STUP1D_F1SH posts big blind (1.0)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to STUP1D_F1SH [ 6c, Js, Th, 8h ]
simonv1 raises 3.5 to 3.5
Sam_98 calls (3.5)
OptimusCrime folds
STUP1D_F1SH calls (2.5)
** Dealing Flop ** :  [ Jh, Kh, 6d ]
STUP1D_F1SH

No reads on this fish except i stacked him on a prev table 5 mins ago. Got top 2 on flop and still have top 2 on turn and no draws have been completed. Do i get it in or not?


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0.50/1 Omaha Hi Game Table (PL)  -  Fri Jul 30 10:05:45 EDT 2010
Table  137424  (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6/6
Seat 1: STUP1D_F1SH ($123.91)
Seat 2: babi111888 ($98.5)
Seat 3: wpgli ($163.62)
Seat 4: slopert888 ($121.71)
Seat 5: neckapb ($71.96)
Seat 6: jengan ($100)
babi111888 posts small blind (0.5)
wpgli posts big blind (1.0)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to STUP1D_F1SH [ Jd, 8s, As, 5d ]
slopert888 folds
neckapb folds
jengan folds
STUP1D_F1SH raises 3.5 to 3.5
babi111888 calls (3.0)
wpgli calls (2.5)
** Dealing Flop ** :  [ 6c, Ah, Jh ]
babi111888 checks
wpgli checks
STUP1D_F1SH bets (9.98)
babi111888 calls (9.98)
wpgli folds
** Dealing Turn ** :  [ 3c ]
babi111888 checks
STUP1D_F1SH bets (28.94)
babi111888 raises 85.02 to 85.02
babi111888 is all-In.
STUP1D_F1SH ?

WTF do i do here. Only seen villian for first time today and been playing with him bout 10 mins. PTR says he's a winning player???

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0.50/1 Omaha Hi Game Table (PL)  -  Mon Aug 2 12:00:06 EDT 2010
Table  137424  (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 5/6
Seat 1: STUP1D_F1SH ($101.1)
Seat 2: Hitme0806 ($21.68)
Seat 4: Erazrhed ($267.94)
Seat 5: Rocket1Time ($100)
Seat 6: cigaret1 ($43.49)
Hitme0806 posts small blind (0.5)
Erazrhed posts big blind (1.0)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to STUP1D_F1SH [ Kd, Js, 4s, 6d ]
Rocket1Time folds
STUP1D_F1SH raises 3.5 to 3.5
Hitme0806 calls (3.0)
Erazrhed calls (2.5)
** Dealing Flop ** :  [ 9d, 4c, Jh ]
Hitme0806 checks
Erazrhed checks
STUP1D_F1SH bets (7.0)
Hitme0806 folds
Erazrhed calls (7.0)
** Dealing Turn ** :  [ 5h ]
Erazrhed bets (23.28)
STUP1D_F1SH

cheers in advance

fold pre hand one.

Hand two is interesting. I don't think he plays a set this way so call it off

Hand 3- fold

and now i'm in the hand?

I would check call flop and re-evaluate turn. Never leading because u may have to get it in if you do

hand #1

yeah fold pre in this, its a terrible hand. however now we're here I would DEFO check the flop ( we are 1st to act yes) expecting a C-bet. If he bets and the other player folds I would call, then check virtually every turn, if he bets turn again Im either calling or folding - folding on A/Q/K- would cinsider jamming on a 9 turn, but then It just seems far to spewy to get it in, calling everything else. C/F non heart rivers probs. my internet is being a bitch cant get onto PPT to see what you're equity is like against AAxx combo's with hearts, or KJxx combos with no draw. I think that is the key to wether or not you should c/c or c/r the flop. Obv he can have KKxx a ton and then ur kinda fked.

This is why you really shoulda folded pre!

hand #2 everything is fine now shove and get it in, readless some people tend to do this with sets when they just c/call a set on a dry board then a drawy turn card comes and they spazz pot. OR more likely they had a hand like A345/A234 and piked up nut clubs.

either way you should pot this back imo, becasue there are so many more combo's of Axxx (2pair hands that picked up gutshots and NFD's) than there are of potential sets (spesh given his postflop play + the fact you have AJ.

#3 is a fold for me. top+btm is so venreable even if it is the best hand (this spot is extremely similar to spot 2) in that his range has to wieght towards made hands that have improved with nut draws. difference here is tht ur hand strenght relative to thos draws is much weaker, if he has AJxx with one dnalger above a 4 and hearts he is actually a maths favorite, this makes continuing with the hand much less profitable when considered to the amount of times ur running into a set.

My reasoning not as sound as yours (yet) Dave but it pleases me that you agreed with all 3!

Never ever folding hand in big blind here wt that hand in HAND 1, plays very well against big cards an wt dream flps like flops like 7 9 rag you getting whole stack in

cheers for that. Here's what i did...

Hand 1 i did c/c as suggested and villian fired turn as expected and i called again (maybe should be sigh folding) then folded river shove. The thing with my line is that is appears to villian as though im drawing (which i am but i have 2 pr aswell) so he could be bluffing me no?

***** Hand History For Game 9491306187 *****
0.50/1 Omaha Hi Game Table (PL)  -  Mon Aug 2 11:19:12 EDT 2010
Table  137422  (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 5/6
Seat 1: Sam_98 ($119.03)
Seat 2: OptimusCrime ($185.38)
Seat 3: LetsgoAllOut ($72.26)
Seat 5: STUP1D_F1SH ($228.1)
Seat 6: simonv1 ($107.88)
OptimusCrime posts small blind (0.5)
STUP1D_F1SH posts big blind (1.0)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to STUP1D_F1SH [ 6c, Js, Th, 8h ]
simonv1 raises 3.5 to 3.5
Sam_98 calls (3.5)
OptimusCrime folds
STUP1D_F1SH calls (2.5)
** Dealing Flop ** :  [ Jh, Kh, 6d ]
STUP1D_F1SH checks
simonv1 checks
Sam_98 bets (10.45)
STUP1D_F1SH calls (10.45)
simonv1 folds
** Dealing Turn ** :  [ 7s ]
STUP1D_F1SH checks
Sam_98 bets (30.31)
STUP1D_F1SH calls (30.31)
** Dealing River ** :  [ Qc ]
STUP1D_F1SH checks
Sam_98 bets (74.77)
Sam_98 is all-In.
STUP1D_F1SH folds
Creating Main Pot with $90.52 with Sam_98
** Summary **
Main Pot: $90.52 Rake: $2
Board: [ Jh Kh 6d 7s Qc ]
Sam_98 balance $165.29, bet $119.03, collected $165.29, net +$46.26
OptimusCrime balance $184.88, lost $0.5 (folded)
STUP1D_F1SH balance $183.84, lost $44.26 (folded)
simonv1 balance $104.38, lost $3.5 (folded)



Hand 2 i decided to fold like the weak nitty fish i am. Reason being is i thought my line looked soo strong raising pre and potting both flop n turn that for him to have raised after that he must have a bigger hand???



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0.50/1 Omaha Hi Game Table (PL)  -  Fri Jul 30 10:05:45 EDT 2010
Table  137424  (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6/6
Seat 1: STUP1D_F1SH ($123.91)
Seat 2: babi111888 ($98.5)
Seat 3: wpgli ($163.62)
Seat 4: slopert888 ($121.71)
Seat 5: neckapb ($71.96)
Seat 6: jengan ($100)
babi111888 posts small blind (0.5)
wpgli posts big blind (1.0)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to STUP1D_F1SH [ Jd, 8s, As, 5d ]
slopert888 folds
neckapb folds
jengan folds
STUP1D_F1SH raises 3.5 to 3.5
babi111888 calls (3.0)
wpgli calls (2.5)
** Dealing Flop ** :  [ 6c, Ah, Jh ]
babi111888 checks
wpgli checks
STUP1D_F1SH bets (9.98)
babi111888 calls (9.98)
wpgli folds
** Dealing Turn ** :  [ 3c ]
babi111888 checks
STUP1D_F1SH bets (28.94)
babi111888 raises 85.02 to 85.02
babi111888 is all-In.
STUP1D_F1SH folds
Creating Main Pot with $85.34 with babi111888
** Summary **
Main Pot: $85.34 Rake: $3
Board: [ 6c Ah Jh 3c ]
STUP1D_F1SH balance $81.49, lost $42.42 (folded)
babi111888 balance $141.42, bet $98.5, collected $141.42, net +$42.92
wpgli balance $160.12, lost $3.5 (folded)
slopert888 balance $121.71, didn't bet (folded)
neckapb balance $71.96, didn't bet (folded)
jengan balance $100, didn't bet (folded)


Hand 3 maybe a bit tez from me?

***** Hand History For Game 9491438388 *****
0.50/1 Omaha Hi Game Table (PL)  -  Mon Aug 2 12:00:06 EDT 2010
Table  137424  (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 5/6
Seat 1: STUP1D_F1SH ($101.1)
Seat 2: Hitme0806 ($21.68)
Seat 4: Erazrhed ($267.94)
Seat 5: Rocket1Time ($100)
Seat 6: cigaret1 ($43.49)
Hitme0806 posts small blind (0.5)
Erazrhed posts big blind (1.0)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to STUP1D_F1SH [ Kd, Js, 4s, 6d ]
Rocket1Time folds
STUP1D_F1SH raises 3.5 to 3.5
Hitme0806 calls (3.0)
Erazrhed calls (2.5)
** Dealing Flop ** :  [ 9d, 4c, Jh ]
Hitme0806 checks
Erazrhed checks
STUP1D_F1SH bets (7.0)
Hitme0806 folds
Erazrhed calls (7.0)
** Dealing Turn ** :  [ 5h ]
Erazrhed bets (23.28)
STUP1D_F1SH calls (23.28)
** Dealing River ** :  [ 3d ]
Erazrhed bets (69.06)
STUP1D_F1SH folds
** Summary **
Main Pot: $69.06 Rake: $2
Board: [ 9d 4c Jh 5h 3d ]
STUP1D_F1SH balance $67.32, lost $33.78 (folded)
Hitme0806 balance $18.18, lost $3.5 (folded)
Erazrhed balance $303.22, bet $102.84, collected $138.12, net +$35.28
Rocket1Time balance $100, didn't bet (folded)
cigaret1 balance $43.49, sits out

Im gonna say in general the play in these stakes games are very nitty(modern word i prefer solid) an alot of posters on here about plo seem to more in this mindset which im not saying is wrong but if you r playing like 2 5 upwards  the play on hand 1 would always be trying to check rasie the flop as standard play an most regs would def be seeing the flop 3 handed

I DIDNT !

DIDNT GIVE ME TIME TO GIVE U MY ADVICE! BOO HOO!

cheers so far. Gonna keep posting here. Here's two hands from tonight...

Not played with villian b4. Is my line ok so far and do i just sigh and get it in and hope he dont have AA. Obv quite a draw hevay board

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0.50/1 Omaha Hi Game Table (PL)  -  Mon Aug 2 16:15:30 EDT 2010
Table  137424  (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 6/6
Seat 1: Stafven ($135.78)
Seat 2: slopert888 ($107.49)
Seat 3: STUP1D_F1SH ($126.92)
Seat 4: ACTION_MAKO_ ($115.14)
Seat 5: LetsgoAllOut ($35.43)
Seat 6: Dr__Q ($57.21)
Dr__Q posts small blind (0.5)
Stafven posts big blind (1.0)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to STUP1D_F1SH [ Jd, Qc, 7d, Qd ]
slopert888 folds
STUP1D_F1SH raises 3.0 to 3.0
ACTION_MAKO_ calls (3.0)
LetsgoAllOut folds
Dr__Q folds
Stafven calls (2.0)
** Dealing Flop ** :  [ 8h, Ah, Qs ]
Stafven checks
STUP1D_F1SH bets (5.0)
ACTION_MAKO_ calls (5.0)
Stafven raises 27.0 to 27.0
STUP1D_F1SH

One more from tonight... Again i know very little about the villian

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0.50/1 Omaha Hi Game Table (PL)  -  Mon Aug 2 16:56:57 EDT 2010
Table  166979  (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 5/6
Seat 1: youlovedon ($29.05)
Seat 2: STUP1D_F1SH ($106.43)
Seat 3: ogy243111 ($280.35)
Seat 5: LetsgoAllOut ($18.5)
Seat 6: ArrAddar ($216.52)
ArrAddar posts small blind (0.5)
youlovedon posts big blind (1.0)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to STUP1D_F1SH [ 9s, Qh, Td, 7d ]
STUP1D_F1SH raises 3.0 to 3.0
ogy243111 folds
LetsgoAllOut folds
ArrAddar calls (2.5)
youlovedon folds
** Dealing Flop ** :  [ 3c, 7h, 9d ]
ArrAddar checks
STUP1D_F1SH bets (6.65)
ArrAddar raises 19.95 to 19.95
STUP1D_F1SH

Pete I'd rather lildave agreed with me then you (no offence but your a live donko)

Love u tho xxx

nahhhh u have just become what u said u would never be........... A NIT ! but also i still love u 2..... X

+1, not so much at 1/2 online these days, bbut 2/4 6max vs a reg this would be a c/r call for sure imo. however getting 100bbs in @ 100plo with these kinda hands nowadays is literally burning money (I would probs have c/r in this spot though cos i wouldnt have been able to resist lol) so for these reasons I would fold preflop as its just too hard to play for any profitability.
HAVING SAID THIS. the best thing about these stakes, is that a c/r here will fold out a ton of hands that really should get it in vs you from an equity perspective, so that gives a lot of credit to a c/r. but it basically leaves you in the situation where people's calling ranges crush you and the hands you have substantial equity vs fold, hence why i lean to a c/call c/call line in this instance.

This is not a sigh get it in its a finger in the air re-pot.

From his range perspective, he peels out of the BB which takes a LOT of AAxx combo's out, obv really terrible one's he might just peel, but as you open UTG+1 and have a peeler behind, he will be expecting you to pot back a decent amount of the time and get most of his stack in pre. So hands like 88xx AKT8 w/hearts and stuff like this. I mean he almost defo has a hand he wants to commit his whole stack with. POT BACK here


Readless here I will just be getting in in. you block top two sets, have equity vs bottom set and 2 reasonable and proabably exclusive BD draws, plus two overcards if your facing the same hand or a 9xxx hand with loads of over cards. calling isnt great because there are some bad turn cards and you cost yourself loads by making bad turn folds.

Disagree with the theory here.

Never not getting it in now obv but this deep and OOP players will often not repot OOP with aces.

I doubt he'll be expecting a re-pot back because players at 50/1 rarely 4-ball it with anything but the goooods

i thought he may have peeled oop with shit aces because he cant get much of his stack in, knows we are both gonna come along if he does 4 bet and shit aces is tough to play oop 3 ways. However, i am never folding here. This is what happened...

***** Hand History For Game 9492389494 *****
0.50/1 Omaha Hi Game Table (PL)  -  Mon Aug 2 16:15:30 EDT 2010
Table  137424  (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 6/6
Seat 1: Stafven ($135.78)
Seat 2: slopert888 ($107.49)
Seat 3: STUP1D_F1SH ($126.92)
Seat 4: ACTION_MAKO_ ($115.14)
Seat 5: LetsgoAllOut ($35.43)
Seat 6: Dr__Q ($57.21)
Dr__Q posts small blind (0.5)
Stafven posts big blind (1.0)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to STUP1D_F1SH [ Jd, Qc, 7d, Qd ]
slopert888 folds
STUP1D_F1SH raises 3.0 to 3.0
ACTION_MAKO_ calls (3.0)
LetsgoAllOut folds
Dr__Q folds
Stafven calls (2.0)
** Dealing Flop ** :  [ 8h, Ah, Qs ]
Stafven checks
STUP1D_F1SH bets (5.0)
ACTION_MAKO_ calls (5.0)
Stafven raises 27.0 to 27.0
STUP1D_F1SH raises 90.03 to 95.03
ACTION_MAKO_ folds
Stafven raises 105.78 to 132.78
Stafven is all-In.
STUP1D_F1SH calls (28.89)
STUP1D_F1SH is all-In.
** Dealing Turn ** :  [ Tc ]
** Dealing River ** :  [ 9d ]
Creating Main Pot with $259.34 with STUP1D_F1SH
** Summary **
Main Pot: $259.34 Rake: $3
Board: [ 8h Ah Qs Tc 9d ]
Stafven balance $8.86, bet $135.78, collected $8.86, lost $126.92 [ 6h Ad As 3c ] [ three of a kind, aces -- Ad,As,Ah,Qs,Tc ]
slopert888 balance $107.49, didn't bet (folded)
STUP1D_F1SH balance $259.34, bet $126.92, collected $259.34, net +$132.42 [ Jd Qc 7d Qd ] [ a straight, eight to queen -- Qc,Jd,Tc,9d,8h ]
ACTION_MAKO_ balance $107.14, lost $8 (folded)
LetsgoAllOut balance $35.43, didn't bet (folded)
Dr__Q balance $56.71, lost $0.5 (folded)


He had top set and i made a str8, its how i roll, wiiii

2nd hand i played proper weird...

i flatted, turned a flush draw and made a better 2p on river and caught him bluffing with missed str8 draw. i run gooot yarh

***** Hand History For Game 9492550677 *****
0.50/1 Omaha Hi Game Table (PL)  -  Mon Aug 2 16:56:57 EDT 2010
Table  166979  (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 5/6
Seat 1: youlovedon ($29.05)
Seat 2: STUP1D_F1SH ($106.43)
Seat 3: ogy243111 ($280.35)
Seat 5: LetsgoAllOut ($18.5)
Seat 6: ArrAddar ($216.52)
ArrAddar posts small blind (0.5)
youlovedon posts big blind (1.0)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to STUP1D_F1SH [ 9s, Qh, Td, 7d ]
STUP1D_F1SH raises 3.0 to 3.0
ogy243111 folds
LetsgoAllOut folds
ArrAddar calls (2.5)
youlovedon folds
** Dealing Flop ** :  [ 3c, 7h, 9d ]
ArrAddar checks
STUP1D_F1SH bets (6.65)
ArrAddar raises 19.95 to 19.95
STUP1D_F1SH calls (13.3)
** Dealing Turn ** :  [ 2d ]
ArrAddar bets (30.0)
STUP1D_F1SH calls (30.0)
** Dealing River ** :  [ Qc ]
ArrAddar bets (54.0)
STUP1D_F1SH calls (53.48)
STUP1D_F1SH is all-In.
Creating Main Pot with $210.86 with STUP1D_F1SH
** Summary **
Main Pot: $210.86 Rake: $3
Board: [ 3c 7h 9d 2d Qc ]
youlovedon balance $28.05, lost $1 (folded)
STUP1D_F1SH balance $210.86, bet $106.43, collected $210.86, net +$104.43 [ 9s Qh Td 7d ] [ two pairs, queens and nines -- Qh,Qc,9s,9d,7h ]
ogy243111 balance $280.35, didn't bet (folded)
LetsgoAllOut balance $18.5, didn't bet (folded)
ArrAddar balance $110.09, bet $106.95, collected $0.52, lost $106.43 [ 4c 5s 6d 8s ] [ high card queen -- Qc,9d,8s,7h,6d ]

Fair enough, I havent logged a ton a 100plo 6max in a while. Thinking about it i pose if he pots and gets called twice he has a 1.5 SPR which is going to be pretty arkward multiway OOP with bad aces, so peeling here is fairly reasonable in these games?

Yeah, I guess my thinking is slightly off then hand #1 but id still fistpump it in cos theres 2 hearts there :)

#1 I definitely agree with your line

#2 Re-popping flop is fine and definitely my standard line but if you are going to flat, then you should DEFINITELY be getting all the money in on the turn as you have so much equity vs everything but sets and are miles ahead of other 79s. I assumed by flatting you were hoping for a non straight card to hit rather than to see if your 2 pair was actually good.

mbn to hold in numero 2.