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Villian raises from mid position £1/2 nlh cash game £8 is the bet

ive just bought in for £200 this is my 2nd hand

villian has similar stack

hero on the button finds  Ahrt 8h flats

big blind calls too

flop  Kh  4s 3h

big blind checks

villian bets £22

hero calls

big blind calls

turn card  Aspades

big blind checks

villian now bets £80

I tank, do i raise  in this spot or am i up against a/k

villian has now put in half his stack in

if i am jam its an instant call for a/k whats the big blind going to do as well ?? hmmm

any thoughts in this spot?

fold on turn, your are drawing to a flush and a flush only

3 bet or fold pre, a8s is pretty gash imo

3bettttt pre

I don't like 3betting pre with A8s on our second hand at the table. I don't like calling 4x with it either. I'd rather know how the table is playing and establish some reads before trying to play A8s post flop.

As played you're getting 2:1 on a call on the turn. Assuming you're already behind then this is a fold. This is assuming you're behind though. Villain may well be firing with KQ or something hoping no-one has hit the A. This is why I like to see him play a few hands first cos atm we're just guessing. Oh and don't raise - you're never getting value from worse.

I'm never folding a suited ace pre 100bbs deep in live cash when I've got position on everyone.

Really interesting spot though. I would raise/call flop I think.

suited aces play really well in live cash games where alot of pots go multiway. As played call turn, probably fold UI.

With no reads i think flatting the flop is ok and would be my default.

dont coldcall buttons w A8s unless you have an amazing player read on tendencies/know the pot is gonna deffo be multiway/opener is a huge drooler or will just check giveup flops he misses. as played if the guy looks remotely like he can play prolly timebank call turn and re-evaluate river. dont like getting it in on flop and deffo dont like raising the turn.

interesting views guys, as its early doors and i have another buy in, i flat the £80 big blind calls as well , so the pot is now massive.

what the hell has the bb got i ask myself?? smaller flush draw  Qh Jh/ Qh Th or worse slow playing  a set !!!!

then comes the river board pairs its a heart ughhhhh.

im anxious to see what the bb is gonnae do, he dwells up and finally checks.

im thinking is he good enuf to check full boat ?? not been at table long enuf to know.

villian checks its now up to me what to do ??

over £300 in pot and facing 2 checks, views pls

wonder how quiet pha would be if blonde had a "badbeats + coolers" section?

jam obv? you dont have much left and have ze nut flush?

£300 in pot you have £90 left, anything but jamming would be ridic bad,

i check behind - not sure an inferior flush calls from BB

lol.

Lol

Dont confuse me like that!

Bet £40. This looks so strong. Fold to a shove - they always have it in this spot.

Ask if you can bring your other £200 to the table now.

probably cll turn, now just jam the river when checked to

What hands are 'we' ( the villains) calling £90 with that don't beat the ace high flush?

Given that the river is the 4h, the bb could well have 34

He obv isnt calling any missed str8 draws, and you have to think he jams the flop with a hand like 5h6h

Literally the only hand i can see calling is QhJh - but we are asking alot for 1 hand to call us when there is a greater likelihood that they have checked better hands in the hope someone bets a flush?

Course we get called by worse guy. We dont have to even have a flush here. We could b bluffing or villian could go thru theres too much money in the pot syndrome and call with one pair

i can see AK making a crying call, but not much else. If the BB made a flush would he not jam for the same reasons as us?

Its live cash. Villian can deffo call with worse

with what hands?

No way they are calling 1 pair

James

I agree we are probably good, but on the grounds that we aren't getting called by much worse and there are several full houses out there that might be hoping we hit our A high flush in position and think we will fire if they check?

There are plenty of genuine full house opportunities out there from both villains

I posted a cash hand ages ago where I checked the bottom full house in position and most people thought it was ok given the above type situation!

wow.

This reminds me of that Tilly vs PA hand.

with the greatest respect, ive always been taught to assess what hands are in their ranges that we beat and that beat us, weight those hands and then make a decision

the hands that call

1. Random flushes in BB
2. A 'tard with AK (original raiser)

hands that have us beat

1. Raiser with AA
2. Raiser with KK
3. 34 in bb
4. A4 in bb
5. 33 from either spot

now going back thru the hand I can legitimately put the 4 'beating us' hands into the betting sequence as played allowing for trapping on the river

i think the hands that we beat and call have been played appallingly and we have to hope thats what they have and then still donk off

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm [  ] Jen Tilly

Well 1st off we have no reads. It is however a £1/2 live game, so i think its fair to say theres an 85% chance that both villians are mouthbreathers struggling to wipe the drool from there chin. Secondly its a CO open and a flat in the BB. I predict there ranges are considerably wider than you give them credit for (its dull sitting for hours so fishies like to play all sorts of random trash.

I think the BB rarely has a set given the action and the "wet" texture of the flop/turn and his most likely hands are a 56hh /56ss type hand. I think the CO has a genuine hand here barrelling the turn 3way, hes te most likely to have boated up id say but once he checks the river with tiny SPR its bizarre to ever see him c/c-c/r a boat. With £90 behind and a £300 or £400 pot its so much worse checking behind, when there ranges are wider than you give them credit for than jamming and giving sum1 insane odds to hero call.

oh and the fact that this hand is posted is usually a not so thinly veiled bad beat so you will be correct :)

yeah fair enough, but i just dont think too many hands are paying us off here - well the point being there arent that many combos of hands that can given the board

i still check  :P

some really good analysis guys, as i stated this was only my 2nd hand played so i decided that my best option would be to check.

as i hadn't worked out any table images, ie trap checkers or ultra aggro guys.

dont know if this was a weak play, but if had bn at table for longer i woodv'e jammed this spot with only £90 behind

if i was snap called i woodv'e just tapped the table and rebought.

anyway cards on backs bb  7h 8h, villian a/k.

so alls well that ends well.
just doubted my weak check on river and wondered what others may have done. thks

Guy like 0 hands that beat us check this river. He puts us in with every single boat in case we check back a flush or Ax/Aces up.

OP - How did you have Ah 8h and villain had 7h 8h?

There's no point checking unless we have big stacks behind. Abs no merit to it in this situation at all.

lol at all's well that ends well :)

soz guys  6h 7h

Checking this river is lolbad imo.

We're playing against random live players in a 1/2 cash game. A boat gets checked like 0% of the time here.

Lol at assigning live 1/2 players tight ranges.

u just burnt £90 always and £180 often

You're over-estimating the £1/£2 Glasgow tards here, Jam the river all day as any flush will call, most Ax's will call and half of the players at the table will call with any pair

Surely you definatley have the villan beat , i cant see him checking a house to you as youve just been calling it would be wrong of him to assume that you would fire out a bet. I Jam it if its anywhere near the standard of some of the 1:1 cash games ive played, 50% of people wouldnt be able to lay down AK here or a lower flush

I dont think the bb is calling with a 3 £22 is way to much to be calling with a 3 even if its 33
As we dont know neither the agrresor or the BB its tricky but is the villian really firing £22 with AA, KK as he doesnt know you and you could quite easily just be wanting to see a flop in position. I cant see many hands that jusitify this play that are beating you

SB- AK
BB-89 of hearts


But then i know some people would call preflop with 43 and someone would even call the turn with kQ, i would be more than happy i was ahead here and ive changed my mind
-Bet £50 as your more likely to get paid off by both of them than maybe 1 caller and sigh call a re raise


EDIT: DIDNT READ PAGE 3 BEFORE POSTING JUST 1n 2 SO REAPEATED SOME STUFF AND SAID THE HANDS AFTER THEY WERE ANNOUNCED OOPS