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Title: Live 200nl hand.
Post by: pleno1 on August 16, 2010, 12:26:32 AM
I am sat 400bbs deep, villain has around 300bbs

Villain is a niity chinese guy, plays quite alot of hands, but doesnt put alot of money into the pot much. Hasn't played a hand for about 90 minutes and recent convo has shown his frsutration. Called a £22 open with  Ahrt 9h previously, but folded a flush on a paired board, after villain numero two, called from sb, led flop, c/c when flush came then led river when board paired.

Full ring, I straddle to £4

Villain limps button
SB folds
BB completes
Hero raises to £15 from straddle w/ Qd Jd  - both call.

Flop is

 Kd Qh  7h  

BB checks
I bet £20
Villain calls
BB folds

turn is  Ts

I bet £37
He calls

River is  7d

He bets £135

Hero? / why.

Also thoughts on turn bet?


Title: Re: Live 200nl hand.
Post by: GreekStein on August 16, 2010, 12:29:17 AM
Villain is a niity chinese guy, plays quite alot of hands

Does not compute


Title: Re: Live 200nl hand.
Post by: pleno1 on August 16, 2010, 12:41:57 AM
Villain is a niity chinese guy, plays quite alot of hands

Does not compute

nitty as in wont put his stack in, but limps alot of weird hands like Ace-rag, not sure on exact title!


Title: Re: Live 200nl hand.
Post by: buzzharvey22 on August 16, 2010, 01:17:10 AM
Is this at aspers, and is villain called sunny?


Title: Re: Live 200nl hand.
Post by: StuartHopkin on August 16, 2010, 11:52:04 AM
Bet more on the flop and turn, fold now for me.


Title: Re: Live 200nl hand.
Post by: pleno1 on August 16, 2010, 12:20:57 PM
Is this at aspers, and is villain called sunny?

yeah, not sure who he is.


Title: Re: Live 200nl hand.
Post by: paulhouk03 on August 16, 2010, 01:07:27 PM
didnt think there was chinese nits except me


Title: Re: Live 200nl hand.
Post by: Free_Rollin on August 16, 2010, 01:35:47 PM
Is this at aspers, and is villain called sunny?

Fold, villain is the best.


Title: Re: Live 200nl hand.
Post by: doubleup on August 16, 2010, 01:38:18 PM

Did he bet out of turn on the river or did you check?


Title: Re: Live 200nl hand.
Post by: pleno1 on August 16, 2010, 01:53:58 PM

Did he bet out of turn on the river or did you check?

check.


Title: Re: Live 200nl hand.
Post by: doubleup on August 16, 2010, 03:05:13 PM

Did he bet out of turn on the river or did you check?

check.

hmmm a lot of draws missed, might have to call here in the absence of other info.


Title: Re: Live 200nl hand.
Post by: pleno1 on August 16, 2010, 04:36:48 PM
I'm not sure I like the decision to raise pre, and once you do I think you make it too small and the flop + turn bets are also too small.

Dunno what to do on the river. Find a soulread? Failing that, fold I think.

Raised pre to get HU w/ the chinese guy.

In this game most people keep their £25 chips and bet lots of £5 chips. He used all £25 chips and was tapping his cards up and down on the felt ( i couldnt see a peak ) but kept quiet as I muttered "this is so sick".

Can he only ever have 7x or a bluff here? and does he call the turn with 7x? Q7ss, K7ss only hands which make sense that arent in that range. I doubt he bets so big with a full house and I don't think he ever has Kx when he bets like this so my hand is theoreticaly aces right?


Title: Re: Live 200nl hand.
Post by: StuartHopkin on August 16, 2010, 05:11:09 PM
I'm not sure I like the decision to raise pre, and once you do I think you make it too small and the flop + turn bets are also too small.

Dunno what to do on the river. Find a soulread? Failing that, fold I think.

Sigh

So so close to getting a plus one from JK! If only I had commented on the small pre flop raise.

Must try harder.


Title: Re: Live 200nl hand.
Post by: Whollyflush on August 17, 2010, 01:33:48 AM
With a middle pair and every backdoor draw in the book, against a guy who is more likely to take a free card with draws (given your description) i think i prefer checking the flop or turn. As it is you've bloated the pot with a meh hand now needing to search for the hero inside yourself.

As played i'd probably snap i don't give these live fellas credit for value betting nearly thinly enough and is likely to be polarised. Expect to see 89hh/9thh type hands, Only hand i can see him play this way is KT, i doubt this fishy bets KJ on the river.


Title: Re: Live 200nl hand.
Post by: Whollyflush on August 17, 2010, 01:35:30 AM
disregard ^^^ didnt see it was 3 way to the flop. Id still flick it in as played OTR.


Title: Re: Live 200nl hand.
Post by: NigDawG on August 19, 2010, 01:43:23 AM
i'd make it more pre and certainly more on the flop for sure

and as played i'd be calling river but then i never fold


Title: Re: Live 200nl hand.
Post by: AlexMartin on August 19, 2010, 04:00:21 AM
bet flop and turn a lot bigger, as played if he's 1/2 decent i expect to see v few bluffs. this deep jam is best, esp if its your regular game.



Title: Re: Live 200nl hand.
Post by: AlexMartin on August 19, 2010, 03:38:14 PM
bet flop and turn a lot bigger, as played if he's 1/2 decent i expect to see v few bluffs. this deep jam is best, esp if its your regular game.



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Title: Re: Live 200nl hand.
Post by: GreekStein on August 19, 2010, 04:31:05 PM
what's worse/better for poker economy......BOTS or POKERFARM. discuss.


Title: Re: Live 200nl hand.
Post by: SuuPRlim on August 19, 2010, 04:38:01 PM
i'd make it more pre and certainly more on the flop for sure

and as played i'd be calling river but then i never fold

+1. Id defo raise pre ib more inclinded to make it £30 if he peels wide and folds flops a lot we want hin calling off as much as possible pre imo
also you have a really good hand lol. Barrel flop, Barrel turn for me.

As played like brammar says I call cos i literally hate folding, espcially live when they rep such thin value amd they probably doint VB half as thinly as they should. Having said this its probably one of those spots where you cant figure out exactly how he got you, with what hand, or where in the hand, but you know he has a better hand somehow....


Title: Re: Live 200nl hand.
Post by: SuperJez on August 19, 2010, 06:13:38 PM
Raise pre is bad.  The way this hand went down you have to call the river, the hand does not make sense for him unless he has precisely J9hh


Title: Re: Live 200nl hand.
Post by: SuuPRlim on August 19, 2010, 07:43:00 PM
Raise pre is bad.  The way this hand went down you have to call the river, the hand does not make sense for him unless he has precisely J9hh

I have to disagree with anti-raising pre comments, I actually think checking this back in the straddle is a mistake.


Title: Re: Live 200nl hand.
Post by: pleno1 on August 20, 2010, 11:50:13 AM
Raise pre is bad.  The way this hand went down you have to call the river, the hand does not make sense for him unless he has precisely J9hh

I have to disagree with anti-raising pre comments, I actually think checking this back in the straddle is a mistake.

but raisaing 10x blinds seems to be inflating the pot abit too much. What would people recommend as a good raise size in the straddle after a btn limp and bb "complete".


Title: Re: Live 200nl hand.
Post by: StuartHopkin on August 20, 2010, 11:54:43 AM
£25 would be my magic number


Title: Re: Live 200nl hand.
Post by: pleno1 on August 20, 2010, 12:14:17 PM
£25 would be my magic number

If we were playing 400nl online and the btn limped and sb compelted you raise to $25 too yeah?


Title: Re: Live 200nl hand.
Post by: SuuPRlim on August 20, 2010, 12:20:09 PM
£25 would be my magic number

If we were playing 400nl online and the btn limped and sb compelted you raise to $25 too yeah?

its completely different imo.  The situation here is that you a weak passive player limping, and another player repping zero stregnth, your hand flops extremely well and your in a perfect spot to squeeze. ALSO its a good to be seen as fairly LAG from your straddle because these pots are always going to be bigger.

Basically you're ISO'ing the weak passive guy, so you need to raise bigger.....and i cant believe the BB folded what a nit lol


Title: Re: Live 200nl hand.
Post by: StuartHopkin on August 20, 2010, 12:22:45 PM
£25 would be my magic number

If we were playing 400nl online and the btn limped and sb compelted you raise to $25 too yeah?

Straddle raising is very different to big blind raising
Also there is one less person in your second scenario
I would make it $20 probs there


Title: Re: Live 200nl hand.
Post by: SuperJez on August 25, 2010, 06:58:19 AM
results?


Title: Re: Live 200nl hand.
Post by: pleno1 on August 25, 2010, 10:29:02 AM
I call as I don't think he's good enough to be value betting thin enough to make it a fold. And if he was he wouldn't be betting as much. he Mucked. Spoke to his this weekend and he said he had a straight and a flush draw.  Almost identical hand played out against same villain this weekend and he went to bluff the river then just sigh and Mucked lol...