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A few limpers, SB makes it 12. have seen him raise as light as KTo when its limped round to him, but that was in late position, and he was reasonable enough that I could reliably assume his SB opening range is much tighter, TT+, AK, maybe AQ.

I make the somewhat fishy speculative call with  Ks Ts  from the BB thinking the limpers will also call, but to my suprise they all fold and Im heads up, but in position, and have been running rings around this guy all session so didnt mind.

Flop comes  Aspades 9s 5h he bets, 15. looks like a standard cbet and not like he has top set so Im eliminating that from his range, and he knows me to be aggresive, I dont think hed lead here with AA. I flat.

Pot is now 60, he bets 25 on a  Qd turn. Now Im sure he has AQ, AK or maybe QQ. I flat again - Ive improved to a 12outer, and can be certain of getting at least one more bet out of him, and he will probs call a river raise if he has QQ or AQ and I bink.

Which I do, sort of.  Qs , my one non-nut out. He vbets 35 into 110. with 80 behind. I have him well covered. Is flatting the correct move? His range is mostly AK here i realise given Im not sure hed raise AQ from the SB with a bunch of limpers, maybe AQsuited, and QQ is obv unlikely as well. Any value in raising? he didnt look worried by the spade (in fact he said after he didnt even notice the flush) and I think he might just find a call with AK if i raised. How would you size the raise as well? I have to be able to fold if he ships it too. So maybe raise to 80or 85? Do i miss out on value by flatting?

If you do decide to raise, you should be setting him in. I'm never considering raise/folding with these stacks.

pretty much this,

 but i think i just flat, if you do raise i think AK is the only hand he can call with that ur beating (poss AJ too)

If he's the sort of guy that doesn't even realise a flush has hit (lol bad) then I'm happy to set him in every time here as I think he's clueless and its a very +EV play being that we only really lose to AA/AQ/99 and QQ. In addition, he's prob a Vegas donk who's gonna stack off hella light or just abs love QK/QJ etc.

If he bet 80-100 Id probs just throw a call in.

But unless he is insanely smart and putting u on EXACTLY ur hand and levelling you into setting him in (which i doubt) then this is nearly always a "blocker bet"

Get him in!

In live poker, spots where you really beat nothign and should fold, people call far far more often than they should (because of his stupid river bet he's getting like 3-1 once he's all in) plus people get attached to hands in these spots, so he isnt bet folding AK very often. he just isnt imo

i'd probably set him in, especially if you have been "running rings round him" as you described

I think you assumption that he wouldn't lead here with AA is the most speculative part of this hand.

As played, he bet so small I would feel far too nitty to do anything other than go all in

also. KcTh is a really good hand, and KsTs is not a fishy call 150bigs effective imo its terrible to fold

Why are we raising 80 to fold to a shove if he only has 80 back?

Who is doing this? NUT LOW LINE.

op alluded to raise/folding to $80, which no-one would ever do apart from a love misclick- from OP it seems villain has $115 on river ($80 back + $35 bet)

Definitely disagree that folding would be terrible. If OP has his preflop range correct then we're 29% against his range.

Not saying that calling is necessarily bad but folding is far from terrible imo

When he bets 35 with 80 back you're pretty much always gunna be good here, jam jam jam

The bit I'm struggling with here is that the limpers all folded pre-flop.  9 times out of 10 in these games they'd all come along for the ride!

i know! was so shocked! these games are all about the limp/calling for these guys!

not sure its such a bad idea. I am pretty much putting him exactly on AK and figure I may get a sigh call if i make it 80 (yes he has 115 going into river, bets 35, calls 45 more). but he will maybe fold to a large raise (35-115 allin). also,if i make it 80 and he shoves, yes its obv only 35 more, but given he has a boat 100% im never donating an extra 35 even if im getting 9:1.

sounds like u got coolerd alot in vegas

I dont like your 100% here Alex, I know it seems that way, but even if its 100% we should still call then see his cards and muck. Would rather pay the 35 more than tell the whole table im happy to fold in hands like this.

yeah, folding isnt terrible I would never do it cos im a sucker for the sooooteds :)

but i disagree that this range could be right for anyone in a live cash game