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Title: River decision Post by: outragous76 on August 27, 2010, 04:07:31 PM How much to bet? (or not?),
(its rush btw so no reads) (pot is like 62 i have 68 ish - he has me covered) Full Tilt Poker Game #23404621862: Table Adrenaline - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 10:51:20 ET - 2010/08/27 Seat 1: outragous76 ($97.50) Seat 2: mcoplman ($213.50) Seat 3: barryg77 ($93.60) Seat 4: pilifeilong ($106.05) Seat 5: JaimzHetfield ($9.60) Seat 6: VinceS25 ($255.60) Seat 7: timenutten91 ($94.75) Seat 8: dmianKK ($129.90) Seat 9: dewster1 ($34.65) mcoplman posts the small blind of $0.50 barryg77 posts the big blind of $1 The button is in seat #1 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to outragous76 [Kh Kd] pilifeilong folds JaimzHetfield folds VinceS25 folds timenutten91 folds dmianKK folds dewster1 folds outragous76 raises to $3 mcoplman raises to $10 barryg77 folds outragous76 has 15 seconds left to act outragous76 raises to $29 mcoplman calls $19 *** FLOP *** [Qd Ah Js] mcoplman checks outragous76 checks *** TURN *** [Qd Ah Js] [Ks] mcoplman checks outragous76 checks *** RIVER *** [Qd Ah Js Ks] [3d] mcoplman checks outragous76 ??????? Title: Re: River decision Post by: DMorgan on August 27, 2010, 05:56:40 PM Agree with james that its a bet/fold on the river but I'm not betting very big, $25 or so. I don't expect to really get bluffed here at all. Really really gross if he does shove but I think you gotta call just 'cos a small bet might induce a scared 2 pair to surmise that with that betsize you never have a straight so he can jam worse for value
Title: Re: River decision Post by: mondatoo on August 28, 2010, 04:14:57 AM Never checking the turn
Title: Re: River decision Post by: AlexMartin on August 28, 2010, 04:27:19 AM is 4b pre best line in rush?
Title: Re: River decision Post by: outragous76 on August 28, 2010, 11:27:44 AM OK - i thought i was going to get abuse for even posting so that's a good start - it wasn't straight forward......................
4bet pre is standard, esp as this is a button raise and blind 3 bet, you get this dynamic alot in rush. I 4 bet my air here quite often and therefore always 4 bet premiums. James - the raise size, i have worked on this alot, and i (mostly) like folds here, as I am bluffing more than have it. I find this size works well and 25, daft as it seems gets peels quite often (which is great when i have KK, but less so when i dont) So to the hand, the peel is often AK, but as discussed above people do peel with all suited connectors (rarely non broadway pairs), and sometimes QQ JJ to see a non A flop prior to getting it in. therefore we get to this hand and the river. I just couldn't put him on the T - and if he checks it then fair play to him. I think he jams AA pre - although some people do flat so i was a little concerned. AK - well case cards are out so less likely so I tanked forever. I decided to jam (mini over bet) do we like this or not? - i convinced myself - pretty much the reverse of dans comment (well, purporting to the villains thoughts) - lots of 2 pair hands are out there and might just get curious and if he has AA then i should have gone bust anyway!) Title: Re: River decision Post by: SuuPRlim on August 29, 2010, 09:53:55 AM OK - i thought i was going to get abuse for even posting so that's a good start - it wasn't straight forward...................... 4bet pre is standard, esp as this is a button raise and blind 3 bet, you get this dynamic alot in rush. I 4 bet my air here quite often and therefore always 4 bet premiums. James - the raise size, i have worked on this alot, and i (mostly) like folds here, as I am bluffing more than have it. I find this size works well and 25, daft as it seems gets peels quite often (which is great when i have KK, but less so when i dont) So to the hand, the peel is often AK, but as discussed above people do peel with all suited connectors (rarely non broadway pairs), and sometimes QQ JJ to see a non A flop prior to getting it in. therefore we get to this hand and the river. I just couldn't put him on the T - and if he checks it then fair play to him. I think he jams AA pre - although some people do flat so i was a little concerned. AK - well case cards are out so less likely so I tanked forever. I decided to jam (mini over bet) do we like this or not? - i convinced myself - pretty much the reverse of dans comment (well, purporting to the villains thoughts) - lots of 2 pair hands are out there and might just get curious and if he has AA then i should have gone bust anyway!) I can 100% see validation for this play, and in a vacuum might be best but I think its kinda horrible from a game theory angle, we cant even count this as a merge cos the only better hand we make him fold is AA I think Id make this play occasionally myself but I would imagine its pretty -EV Title: Re: River decision Post by: SuuPRlim on August 29, 2010, 09:55:51 AM actually I just read it again, this is FR pokers?
everyone is such a fkn nit in 9max that id either bet $20 hope for a cry 2p call or just check it back check back might be best Title: Re: River decision Post by: outragous76 on August 29, 2010, 10:36:00 AM FWIW - i think rush FR plays like most 6 max tables as 5 people insta fold their hands without a 2nd thought
Title: Re: River decision Post by: cambridgealex on August 29, 2010, 05:47:32 PM Agree with james that its a bet/fold on the river but I'm not betting very big, $25 or so. I don't expect to really get bluffed here at all. Really really gross if he does shove but I think you gotta call just 'cos a small bet might induce a scared 2 pair to surmise that with that betsize you never have a straight so he can jam worse for value so bet/fold or bet/call the river dan?! Title: Re: River decision Post by: DMorgan on August 29, 2010, 08:54:39 PM lol yeah just read that back and its probably one of the worst posts I've ever made
Looking at it again I bet the turn. With two flush draws out there I can't see him checking the straight very often. As played though once he checks the river I would bet and I wouldn't really expect to get jammed on ever. I bet $25. Title: Re: River decision Post by: AlexMartin on August 30, 2010, 02:08:34 AM workout his 4b calling range, there are v few 10's and/or suited cards in it. (or should be)
Title: Re: River decision Post by: pleno1 on August 30, 2010, 03:32:13 AM i like a overbet, he prob has 2 pair kinda hand and if he doesnt hes going to fold.
if we bet small he calls with 2 pair+ and folds underpairs/1 pair kinda hands. if we overbet there is like 0 10's in our 4bet range and if we were going for "thin" value with likw AK we'd bet 1/2-3/4 pot. |