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Title: 4 handed AT UTG Post by: roscopiko on September 14, 2010, 11:43:10 PM Payouts
1st: 14k 2nd: 10k 3rd: 7k 4th: 4k Blinds 4k/8k 800a Hero: 120k Button: 220k SB: 400k BB: 180k Dealt to hero: Ad Th Tough for me to be objective on this one atm but interested on what are peoples thoughts here. Is shipping our only option in this spot? Title: Re: 4 handed AT UTG Post by: NigDawG on September 14, 2010, 11:47:31 PM yup 15bb 4 handed an ACE and a TEN is good enough to pile all your chips into the middle imo, just unlucky to run into something better here
Title: Re: 4 handed AT UTG Post by: George2Loose on September 14, 2010, 11:47:38 PM yes. 9or raise calling it 9off
Title: Re: 4 handed AT UTG Post by: Longy on September 15, 2010, 02:34:24 AM No antes? Tendecies of the other players. I don't mind raise to 20kish and calling or just open shipping.
Title: Re: 4 handed AT UTG Post by: buzzharvey22 on September 15, 2010, 03:32:36 AM jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam
Title: Re: 4 handed AT UTG Post by: psustudent on September 15, 2010, 03:53:04 AM yea jam 15bbs raise call like 25bbs. you prolly ran into QQ. gg.
Title: Re: 4 handed AT UTG Post by: roscopiko on September 15, 2010, 09:42:13 AM No antes? Tendecies of the other players. I don't mind raise to 20kish and calling or just open shipping. Sorry yes 800 ante. I decide to open to 17k (my standard raise for the level) hoping to win more than just blinds and antes with the intention of getting it in pre given the opportunity. Button calls 17k SB folds BB calls Flop Kd Jd 4h BB checks Action on Hero? Title: Re: 4 handed AT UTG Post by: the rage on September 15, 2010, 10:01:45 AM check
Title: Re: 4 handed AT UTG Post by: Longy on September 15, 2010, 02:31:18 PM No antes? Tendecies of the other players. I don't mind raise to 20kish and calling or just open shipping. Sorry yes 800 ante. I decide to open to 17k (my standard raise for the level) hoping to win more than just blinds and antes with the intention of getting it in pre given the opportunity. Button calls 17k SB folds BB calls Flop Kd Jd 4h BB checks Action on Hero? With antes I would just open ship. Title: Re: 4 handed AT UTG Post by: pleno1 on September 15, 2010, 02:42:29 PM Mark is pretty aggro so I prob raise smallish to try and induce a shove from him. Shoving is definitely fine too.
Such a horrible spot now, if you bet without shoving you it's just so horrible. c/f is obv the most obvious line however theres like 1/2 our stack in the middle and its hard for them to have anything to call apart from 444, kq/kj as everything else stacks off pre that's beating us, apart from j4, but surely noone would call with j4. lol. so leaves us with shoving? i mean if you have aa, kk, jj, ak would you ever shove here? probably not, but like I said ^^ it's hard for them to have a hand to call and if we do get called we have outs. in real time I prob close between shoving/c/f Title: Re: 4 handed AT UTG Post by: roscopiko on September 15, 2010, 02:52:03 PM With antes I would just open ship. Online I 100% always would tbh. Think I got overcome with live donkamentitis. The game is now pretty shallow and the prize jumps are getting big so I'm looking to get as much value from anything half decent I pick up to have a chance to win. My reasoning for not shipping at the time was that I just felt A10 was too big a hand to win just the blinds and antes. Obv once I raise I'm never folding pre flop and pretty much never fold post flop either, is that just flawed thinking? Once the flop lands altough it likely hits alot their calling ranges I'm pretty happy to carry on with my preflop plan and get it in as the pot is now 60k and I have only 100k behind knowing that I always have some nut outs if I am called. The specific dynamics of this game were pretty bizarre as well so maybe I was just over thinking the whole thing but I was trying to give myself the best chance of winning rather than laddering. Title: Re: 4 handed AT UTG Post by: psustudent on September 15, 2010, 05:36:02 PM i mean no hand is really "too big to ship to pick up just the blinds and antes" when you just have 15bbs, certainly not AT.
as played jam is fine but since you are in position, you could check behind, take a free card and reeval. turn since the flop does hit some of their calling range w kj/kq/k10/q10 etc and you kinda butchered the hand pre and could pot control now. pot would be at 50k now not 60k and you have 100k behind. check behind and fold to a big sized bet on a blank turn or peel if the bet is 25k or so and if you hit a pair. Title: Re: 4 handed AT UTG Post by: SuuPRlim on September 16, 2010, 10:47:17 AM i mean no hand is really "too big to ship to pick up just the blinds and antes" when you just have 15bbs, certainly not AT. as played jam is fine but since you are in position, you could check behind, take a free card and reeval. turn since the flop does hit some of their calling range w kj/kq/k10/q10 etc and you kinda butchered the hand pre and could pot control now. pot would be at 50k now not 60k and you have 100k behind. check behind and fold to a big sized bet on a blank turn or peel if the bet is 25k or so and if you hit a pair. I really dont think we can peel here. every turn that isnt an A or Q is gonna be fkin vile for us |