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no history with the player been pretty solid on this table for ~45 mins

PokerStars Game #49636378927: Tournament #2010090028, $1000+$50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level X (100/200) - 2010/09/15 4:41:34 WET [2010/09/14 23:41:34 ET]
Table '2010090028 18' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: UcfChamp (5007 in chips)
Seat 2: NigDawG (23882 in chips)
Seat 3: king10clubs (7763 in chips)
Seat 4: squatbody53 (7405 in chips)
Seat 5: Face333X (9960 in chips)
Seat 6: bigguy1322 (34028 in chips)
Seat 7: Bury2k4 (7774 in chips)
Seat 8: crocky (2378 in chips)
UcfChamp: posts the ante 25
NigDawG: posts the ante 25
king10clubs: posts the ante 25
squatbody53: posts the ante 25
Face333X: posts the ante 25
bigguy1322: posts the ante 25
Bury2k4: posts the ante 25
crocky: posts the ante 25
NigDawG: posts small blind 100
king10clubs: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NigDawG [Qc Ad]
squatbody53: raises 300 to 500
Face333X: folds
bigguy1322: folds
Bury2k4: folds
crocky: folds
UcfChamp: folds
juice681 is connected
NigDawG: calls 400
king10clubs: folds
*** FLOP *** [Ks Qh Ahrt]
NigDawG: checks
squatbody53: bets 800
NigDawG: calls 800
*** TURN *** [Ks Qh Ahrt] [9s]
NigDawG: checks
squatbody53: bets 2000
NigDawG: ??


wasn't quit expecting him to bet as big on turn (he now leaves just 4k behind if i call + pot will be 7k) and villain has played pretty solid too afaik. if we call what are we doing on blank rivers...c/f to shove?

fold pre

kinda rough spot given vill. desc. but id call turn

he knows you dont have ak everyone 3bets that pre oop

given vill. desc. he most likely checks back 10s or JJs on turn and 99 got there

only hands you beat are pairs vill. is turning into a bluff or complete air and given vill. desc. i dont think hes doin that too often

so you can argue folding turn but could call one more street and go to sd or fold to a river shove.

Really tough spot against a thinking player 'cos your range just looks so weak on the turn. Its hard for him to give you credit for 2pr or better so if he's a thinking player then he's gunna keep firing 'cos he can obv rep all of those hands. I think it depends a lot on his preflop range. If he has been really nitty and he can't have ATs, AJo, JQs type hands then he's probably playing pretty straight up and you beat none of his value range and he's very unlikely to barrel anything else here so you can make an easy fold.

If he is a bit more creative though and can show up with KQ, pair+gutter, Asxs hands and is competant enough to know that you look pretty weak in this spot then I don't think that you can fold the turn. Jamming the turn doesn't sound like a great idea and calling to check the river hoping that he gives up all of his missed pair+draw hands seems kinda gross too.

I dunno, in game I probably check shove turn and hate life when I get shown a set

I think i would just go with it. ie-call the turn, then check call the river, even if he shoves.
 Is three betting pre flop worth considering here? It looks reasonable to me.

any loving for folding pre?

Yes, but I never do.

Better than me.

[ ] folding.

Really awkward spot I think.

Tbh if I'm calling turn I'm calling river as well so might as well ship now and possibly get him to lay down AK. Can't see him dropping a set so we don't get much to fold that beats us to be fair.

Another option I guess is to call now and then ship any nasty looking river. If he's got a set or top two and he's a real nit there's about half the deck that he's not going to like on the river.

Either way we're turning our hand in to a bluff which a bit meh with AQ.

I think I've decided:

Going to go with the bluff.

Call turn. Ship any 9, 10, J, Q, K, A, heart or spade on the river.

I might have changed my mind again. Possibly similar plan but bet/fold 2.2k on river if one of the above cards hits. Saves us 2.2k if we do this.

Ugly spot. Interested to see what the good players do.

million

its stilla fold to me pre. What flop are we gonna stack villain on if he doesnt already have us crushed, if hes tight/solid u think he will go crazy with underpairs if the flop comes Axx

I agree with fold pre, it sucks but out of position against an utg raiser what good results in calling?    its just really awkard to play so i think fold is best.

oops didnt see there was antes,  that definitely changes things...   
dunno if i fold now lol 

never ever folding. I think its close between calling and raising the turn, your hand is pretty under-repped and your at the tip-top of your range assuming your not known for been a tarp monkey. Theres also 2 FD's on the flop and in my experience alot of competent players like to open SC's type hands UTG as it usually gets alot of credit.

also he can be v/betting worse hands like KQs/A9s/AJss/ATss. The more i think about it the more i like the flat on the flop.

1 thing I don't like is his bet sizing. He's played it as if he's never folding by getting 50% of it in by the turn and setting up a nice river shove.

Having said that I still think I prolly call, c/c river largely because we're so under repped. If hes got AK or KK then its just a sick set up imo and time to double this shortie up.

He's only got 30 odd BB's add start of hand so I would rule out all J10's from his UTG range given how tight you say he's been playing. AJ, A10 as pairs with semi draws, maybe even an KQ/A9s 2 pair.

really interesting hand. thought about it lots. even with antes, readless this is gonna be close pre. as played c/c 3 streets has to be best given info. would like more opinions. maybe the online high roller world champion of poker could give us his thoughts?

fyp

WTF? 

My head just exploded.

I thought it already exploded once when you scratched your camera?

wow, i think shipping on a K river is baddddd.