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I hate these spots with AQ - esp when v deep - tourney ave is 26k


PokerStars Game #49868241998: Tournament #2010090041, $200+$15 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (250/500) - 2010/09/19 21:10:22 UTC [2010/09/19 17:10:22 ET]
Table '2010090041 511' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: B_Lindberg (39578 in chips)
Seat 2: EINDELUK (65969 in chips)
Seat 3: johanfbomb (20321 in chips)
Seat 4: SLake06 (41300 in chips)
Seat 5: AJKHoosier1 (19067 in chips)
Seat 6: pook42 (9084 in chips)
Seat 7: dunkmaster50 (13549 in chips)
Seat 8: outragous76 (83535 in chips)
Seat 9: Stacks4Sale (21066 in chips)
B_Lindberg: posts the ante 60
EINDELUK: posts the ante 60
johanfbomb: posts the ante 60
SLake06: posts the ante 60
AJKHoosier1: posts the ante 60
pook42: posts the ante 60
dunkmaster50: posts the ante 60
outragous76: posts the ante 60
Stacks4Sale: posts the ante 60
SLake06: posts small blind 250
AJKHoosier1: posts big blind 500
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to outragous76 [Ad Qd]
pook42: folds
dunkmaster50: folds
outragous76: raises 775 to 1275
Stacks4Sale: folds
B_Lindberg: folds
EINDELUK: calls 1275
johanfbomb: folds
SLake06: folds
AJKHoosier1: folds
*** FLOP *** [Ah 3s 4s]
outragous76: bets 2125
EINDELUK: calls 2125
*** TURN *** [Ah 3s 4s] [Jh]
outragous76: checks
EINDELUK: bets 1500
outragous76: calls 1500
*** RIVER *** [Ah 3s 4s Jh] [6h]
outragous76: checks
EINDELUK: bets 4500
outragous76: calls 4500

i bet turn and check river when spades miss more than you're way round

Definitely bet the turn, AQ is nuts there!

Don't think you're good very often on this river though, I'd fold as played. I'm bet/folding the turn against an unknown

reads on villain and your perceived image should've been posted.

in a vacuum, i dont mind your line. checking turn for pot control oop and bluffcatching. as played you prolly have to call river.

obv. betting turn has its merits ie getting value and protecting against draws and other metagame considerations but again it depends on villain and reads on them.

No reads on villain, I have literally just moved to table and this is my first hand since big double thru on other table.

Dan, my thoughts on the turn was  I wasn't sure what hand I was still beating that would call bets, hence I went for f
Check call 2 streets to get value from his missed draws

any thoughts on checking flop?

The only reason for not firing again for value would be either because we think that sets and AJ make up the majority of his flop calling range. Against an unknown I'm not sure why you want to be gunshy here with AQ. You're really deep so his preflop range includes any suited ace, maybe A9o+. He might be floating the flop with KQ, KJ, he could be calling to re-evaluate the turn with 55-99. Any hearts, connectors and probably 1gappers. You're crushing his flop calling range and only JJ and AJ got there.

There are just so many hands that we're crushing with one card to come and people don't like folding. You're deep stacked so you shouldn't be afraid to barrel imo. People call hella light in these spots. When you revert to check-calling you can induce bluffs but we don't know that this will happen since we're readless. By check calling down we value town ourselves pretty hard when we're beat. Every time he gets there you pay him off. In spots like these I think that bet/folding is waaaay better than check/calling vs most villains and especially readless. You give your opponent the chance to make far bigger mistakes by bet/folding than you do by check/calling imo.

I never would, can't really see any argument for it at all readless

Defo this