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Title: Heads up - gross turn card
Post by: DMorgan on September 29, 2010, 12:07:15 PM
$100 heads up SNG

Villain has been a bit of a station, not folding much to cbets hence the bigger than usual flop betsize. Villan has 1.15x pot left on the turn

***** Hand History for Game 3227380179 ***** (IPoker)
Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, September 29, 01:10:36 ET 2010
Table TURBO NLH Heads Up 100  500814361 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Seat 3: artherelmer ( $985.00 USD )
Seat 8: Hero ( $2015.00 USD )
Villain posts small blind [$20.00 USD].
Hero posts big blind [$40.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero[  Qc Th ]
Villain calls [$20.00 USD]
Hero raises [$80.00 USD]
Villain calls [$80.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Js, Qd, Ts ]
Hero bets [$180.00 USD]
Villain calls [$180.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ad ]
Hero ??





Title: Re: Heads up - gross turn card
Post by: outragous76 on September 29, 2010, 12:10:51 PM
probs check and hope he checks the K behind so you can catch up

thnink you have to consider letting this go in the face of a big bet


Title: Re: Heads up - gross turn card
Post by: pleno1 on September 29, 2010, 01:17:03 PM
lol going to sound so weak but.

He's obviously terrible limping pre w/25bbs but I wouldn't raise pre and I'd c/f turn. Any thoughts on checking flop? What's he been playing like when checked to? Aggro or just checking behind?



Title: Re: Heads up - gross turn card
Post by: Whollyflush on October 04, 2010, 09:27:22 PM
check. next?


Title: Re: Heads up - gross turn card
Post by: NoflopsHomer on October 05, 2010, 02:43:39 AM
Check pre.


Title: Re: Heads up - gross turn card
Post by: DMorgan on October 05, 2010, 01:43:25 PM
lol going to sound so weak but.

He's obviously terrible limping pre w/25bbs but I wouldn't raise pre and I'd c/f turn. Any thoughts on checking flop? What's he been playing like when checked to? Aggro or just checking behind?



Why does limping pre with 25bbs make him terrible? Granted against me its not gunna be good 'cos I'm gunna adjust to it but in general limping with those kind of stack sizes especially against someone very passive is fine. Against a guy thats just playing fit or fold, limp leading a ton of flops is going to be much lower variance than min raising everything and getting called every time, now having to cbet 2.5bbs and fire again on good barreling cards.

People tend to play really fit or fold if their limp gets raised. You opponents rarely do it without a hand so they assume that you must have a hand to do it too. You're gunna get a huge number of folds when you cbet in this spot

Really don't like c/f turn when he's continuing with every Ax, 9x, any flush draw or pair+gutter. He probably isn't going to be most of those but I think its a stretch to say that he has to have a K  when he bets the turn and we have boat outs too. Given that he calls the turn with all of the hands I mentioned I chose to bet.

Didn't really want to bet small and have him peel again 'cos like 60% of rivers really suck so I just jammed it. Thoughts?


Title: Re: Heads up - gross turn card
Post by: action man on October 05, 2010, 02:33:41 PM
like the hand so far, c/f seems good, b/f ok


Title: Re: Heads up - gross turn card
Post by: SuuPRlim on October 05, 2010, 06:30:36 PM
If we assume, which Im pretty sure we can that he never has a superior 2p, AQ/AJ/AT all open pre surely, as does all set hands and KK, then his range surly leans much more towards like  5s 7s /  6s 9s kinda hands. If he isnt peeling/floating flops too wide then I think he also folds out most random  Ks 6d kinda hands which he'll probs limp call pre with from time to time, and If we assume also that  Ad Ks /  Kc Qh /   Ks Jc also open pre, then his only striaght combo's are  Ks 6s kinda hands which from a limp/call pre flop line are pretty plausible.

Shoving is clearly plusEV, if we give him a calling range of spade Kx's and connected/Ahigh spade combos we're a little over 46%. So with the amount of times he's gonna fold I think shoving is prolly optimal, c/f seems pretty ugly, and bet folding is just as unappealing.