Title: Early Doors in Daily 90k Post by: buzzharvey22 on October 07, 2010, 08:59:10 PM http://www.pokerhand.org/?5732494P
no history with Villian as he baught in late, and has only played 1 hand where he opened and Cbet a 2 way pot and took it down. the cold caller has been at table all the time so far and has been very loose passive, limp/call/folding etc quick search on OPR shows villian about a break even player over not a very large sample size, but has had a 13k score and only seems to play mid stakes to high stakes mtt's. Title: Re: Early Doors in Daily 90k Post by: outragous76 on October 07, 2010, 09:02:08 PM you are getting nearly 2:1 on the call
never passing here Title: Re: Early Doors in Daily 90k Post by: mondatoo on October 07, 2010, 09:03:37 PM Hate the fold,either flat the 3bet and see a flop or 4bet/snap.
Title: Re: Early Doors in Daily 90k Post by: George2Loose on October 07, 2010, 09:24:11 PM Never 4 bet folding here. And youre on the button. And it looks like a squeeze. He could easily have much worse but youre probably flipping
Title: Re: Early Doors in Daily 90k Post by: action man on October 08, 2010, 05:00:14 AM Hate the fold,either flat the 3bet and see a flop or 4bet/snap. this prefer 4/bet call in this donkfest esp sice u have them covered, u butchered it Title: Re: Early Doors in Daily 90k Post by: hettonmobster on October 08, 2010, 08:39:06 AM Never 4 bet folding here. And youre on the button. And it looks like a squeeze. He could easily have much worse but youre probably flipping definitely this.Title: Re: Early Doors in Daily 90k Post by: strak33 on October 08, 2010, 01:19:59 PM Everything that has already been said. If you arent calling the shoves when you 4bet here think about it before you do. Title: Re: Early Doors in Daily 90k Post by: SuuPRlim on October 08, 2010, 01:43:30 PM norrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
you're soooooooooooooooooted though :( Title: Re: Early Doors in Daily 90k Post by: Girgy85 on October 08, 2010, 01:44:35 PM Im poop at Poker but even i do a call here!
Title: Re: Early Doors in Daily 90k Post by: pleno1 on October 08, 2010, 03:02:11 PM i actually dont mind it.
Title: Re: Early Doors in Daily 90k Post by: Eso Kral on October 08, 2010, 03:20:16 PM Hate the fold,either flat the 3bet and see a flop or 4bet/snap. This^^^Title: Re: Early Doors in Daily 90k Post by: mondatoo on October 08, 2010, 04:50:02 PM i actually dont mind it. Level,surely ? By 4bet/folding where basically turning AK sooted into a bluff ? Title: Re: Early Doors in Daily 90k Post by: pleno1 on October 08, 2010, 05:05:17 PM i actually dont mind it. Level,surely ? By 4bet/folding where basically turning AK sooted into a bluff ? The reg is going to be iso raising agains the initial fish but the fish is probs going to cal anyway? The reg wont expect us to 4bet fold so has to fold loads of hands that we beat but I think he shoves a pretty tight range. Whilst we absolutely crush the range of the fish that will play horribly oop to us. Title: Re: Early Doors in Daily 90k Post by: George2Loose on October 08, 2010, 05:06:47 PM i actually dont mind it. Level,surely ? By 4bet/folding where basically turning AK sooted into a bluff ? The reg is going to be iso raising agains the initial fish but the fish is probs going to cal anyway? The reg wont expect us to 4bet fold so has to fold loads of hands that we beat but I think he shoves a pretty tight range. Whilst we absolutely crush the range of the fish that will play horribly oop to us. We should call not 4 bet fold Title: Re: Early Doors in Daily 90k Post by: pleno1 on October 08, 2010, 05:10:04 PM i actually dont mind it. Level,surely ? By 4bet/folding where basically turning AK sooted into a bluff ? The reg is going to be iso raising agains the initial fish but the fish is probs going to cal anyway? The reg wont expect us to 4bet fold so has to fold loads of hands that we beat but I think he shoves a pretty tight range. Whilst we absolutely crush the range of the fish that will play horribly oop to us. We should call not 4 bet fold Not got stove on this comp so its hard to post, but if the reg is raising pretty wide against the fish who is super wide, then he will only call/shove with a small part of his range. The fish will call with a huge part of his range and we will be in position against the fish. Obv life is never perfect and the fact the reg has a very good hand is just unfortunate and we sigh fold. Obv calling the shove is fine and probably the line I would take but can see the logic and don't think its as bad as been made out itt. Title: Re: Early Doors in Daily 90k Post by: George2Loose on October 08, 2010, 05:12:53 PM i actually dont mind it. Level,surely ? By 4bet/folding where basically turning AK sooted into a bluff ? The reg is going to be iso raising agains the initial fish but the fish is probs going to cal anyway? The reg wont expect us to 4bet fold so has to fold loads of hands that we beat but I think he shoves a pretty tight range. Whilst we absolutely crush the range of the fish that will play horribly oop to us. We should call not 4 bet fold Not got stove on this comp so its hard to post, but if the reg is raising pretty wide against the fish who is super wide, then he will only call/shove with a small part of his range. The fish will call with a huge part of his range and we will be in position against the fish. Obv life is never perfect and the fact the reg has a very good hand is just unfortunate and we sigh fold. Obv calling the shove is fine and probably the line I would take but can see the logic and don't think its as bad as been made out itt. or hes shoving super wide for value because he thinks youre punishing his iso limp? Depends on what level you stop this at. All I know is Im not 4 bet folding the top of my range in this situation Title: Re: Early Doors in Daily 90k Post by: pleno1 on October 08, 2010, 05:15:37 PM i actually dont mind it. Level,surely ? By 4bet/folding where basically turning AK sooted into a bluff ? The reg is going to be iso raising agains the initial fish but the fish is probs going to cal anyway? The reg wont expect us to 4bet fold so has to fold loads of hands that we beat but I think he shoves a pretty tight range. Whilst we absolutely crush the range of the fish that will play horribly oop to us. We should call not 4 bet fold Not got stove on this comp so its hard to post, but if the reg is raising pretty wide against the fish who is super wide, then he will only call/shove with a small part of his range. The fish will call with a huge part of his range and we will be in position against the fish. Obv life is never perfect and the fact the reg has a very good hand is just unfortunate and we sigh fold. Obv calling the shove is fine and probably the line I would take but can see the logic and don't think its as bad as been made out itt. or hes shoving super wide for value because he thinks youre punishing his iso limp? Depends on what level you stop this at. All I know is Im not 4 bet folding the top of my range in this situation Surely all you know is youre not folding your value range then? Becuase you flat all hands you don't want to 4be fold except outright bluffs? And for as far as levels go, everybody ITT seems to think that competent (Neil has good stats and I'm sure the reg will know this) aren't 4bet folding value hands for all the reasons you and others have stated therefore we are actually one step ahead from the generic level that most people will think on. Title: Re: Early Doors in Daily 90k Post by: pleno1 on October 08, 2010, 05:16:13 PM p.s not trying to be a dick and argue for sake of arguement sake as genuinely think it is an interesting spot.
Title: Re: Early Doors in Daily 90k Post by: BulldozerD on October 08, 2010, 05:18:28 PM not folding it in this comp when we have villain covered, certainly never 4bet folding this huge hand here.
Title: Re: Early Doors in Daily 90k Post by: George2Loose on October 08, 2010, 06:03:17 PM yeh but its tinternet. People 5 bet jam with 45b off
Title: Re: Early Doors in Daily 90k Post by: mondatoo on October 08, 2010, 11:59:34 PM This isn't an interesting spot,it's super standard.If you are an uber nit flat the 3bet,if you like to play poker 4bet/snap and win the flipadelphia.FLIP FLIP FLIPADELPHIA!!!!
Title: Re: Early Doors in Daily 90k Post by: pleno1 on October 09, 2010, 12:10:17 AM OOC what hands if any, should the competent reg be flatting with?
Title: Re: Early Doors in Daily 90k Post by: pleno1 on October 09, 2010, 12:18:10 AM if he's super tight..
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt 35,958,384 games 0.059 secs 609,464,135 games/sec Board: Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 38.824% 18.14% 20.68% 6524615 7436014.00 { AcKd } Hand 1: 61.176% 40.50% 20.68% 14561741 7436014.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo } if he's shoving all very good hands but not nut hands.. (have put in aq here) Text results appended to pokerstove.txt 77,053,680 games 0.081 secs 951,280,000 games/sec Board: Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 49.175% 38.86% 10.32% 29939770 7951130.50 { AcKd } Hand 1: 50.825% 40.51% 10.32% 31211649 7951130.50 { TT+, AQs+, AQo+ } If he's going super doopaaa crazy, all pairs/suited connectors including 78s etc. Text results appended to pokerstove.txt 155,819,664 games 0.195 secs 799,075,200 games/sec Board: Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 51.247% 45.96% 05.28% 71620319 8233086.00 { AcKd } Hand 1: 48.753% 43.47% 05.28% 67733173 8233086.00 { 66+, AJs+, KQs, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s, AQo+ } So on the two he's out of line we are flipping, the other where he is nitty and doesn't think we are 4bet/folding value hands we are 40/60 Title: Re: Early Doors in Daily 90k Post by: mondatoo on October 09, 2010, 12:23:54 AM if he's super tight.. Text results appended to pokerstove.txt 35,958,384 games 0.059 secs 609,464,135 games/sec Board: Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 38.824% 18.14% 20.68% 6524615 7436014.00 { AcKd } Hand 1: 61.176% 40.50% 20.68% 14561741 7436014.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo } if he's shoving all very good hands but not nut hands.. (have put in aq here) Text results appended to pokerstove.txt 77,053,680 games 0.081 secs 951,280,000 games/sec Board: Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 49.175% 38.86% 10.32% 29939770 7951130.50 { AcKd } Hand 1: 50.825% 40.51% 10.32% 31211649 7951130.50 { TT+, AQs+, AQo+ } If he's going super doopaaa crazy, all pairs/suited connectors including 78s etc. Text results appended to pokerstove.txt 155,819,664 games 0.195 secs 799,075,200 games/sec Board: Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 51.247% 45.96% 05.28% 71620319 8233086.00 { AcKd } Hand 1: 48.753% 43.47% 05.28% 67733173 8233086.00 { 66+, AJs+, KQs, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s, AQo+ } So on the two he's out of line we are flipping, the other where he is nitty and doesn't think we are 4bet/folding value hands we are 40/60 So at worst we are 40/60 and getting 2:1 on the call ?? Title: Re: Early Doors in Daily 90k Post by: pleno1 on October 09, 2010, 12:48:09 AM so we're setting this up deep to be at best 55%? (against villains range)
Title: Re: Early Doors in Daily 90k Post by: mondatoo on October 09, 2010, 12:49:56 AM I'm far to pissed to be discussing the maths of this,don't 4bet/fold AK coz it's shit poker fuk the maths it's just wrong.
Title: Re: Early Doors in Daily 90k Post by: geordieneil on October 10, 2010, 09:07:01 AM and the worst fold of the year award goes to..............
Title: Re: Early Doors in Daily 90k Post by: buzzharvey22 on October 11, 2010, 05:04:30 AM Thank you all for confirming to me i made a bad fold. what makes it worse is that i actualy folded pretty quickly without much consideration.
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