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A friend of mine, no account here, but well regarded in the poker scene live and online is proposing a pretty sick prop bet...

The bet, at even money to play 100,000 hands of 6max NLHE cash in a 7 day period - (168hours) at minimum stake $2/$4.
AND...be +$1 minimum at EV!

He's Matthew Frankland.

http://www.pokertableratings.com/stars-player-search/matfrankland
http://www.pokertableratings.com/fulltilt-player-search/matfrankland
http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=134374

Standard T+C's.

Only He can play on the account
Can play/sleep/eat w/e he wants
webcam feed set up
Poker tracker graphs as proof, + one person to moderate.
If he doesnt play 100,000 at least he looses.
If his EV line isnt plus MINIMUM $1, he looses.

Pretty sure he's open to any changes in T+Cs if they reasonable.

Thought peoples - betting at EVEN money.

If you wanted to bet, we'd probs need to escrow the monies with someone everyone trusts, as Franky doesn't post... I'd happily do it but Im one of Franky's best mates and he takes action in me in a lot of my games so would be a bit wierd really.

got next to no posts so decided to get dave to post this for me but just posting to confirm this isnt an epic little dave fish world grim

didn't someone on 2+2 do 50k hands in 24 hours a few months back?

If so, 100k in 168hrs seems reasonable. Still sick, but plenty doable.

Was 30k in 24 hours, and it turned out the guy cheated and got friends to dump to him near the end of the bet to show profit.

Was that the Chicago Joey one?


Anyway, I'll have $150 on at even money. Can ship tilt to an escrow if wanted but I'm happy if Dave vouches for you w/e

The hands themselves are doable, its the profit I think is tough as $2/$4 is a really tough level to be mass multi tabling when sleep deprived. I'll probably have $150.01 at evens if you do it.

Make mine $200 and then $50 increments above what Barry Carter tries to beat me by as long as his bet is booked.

If Flushy bets more, the same does NOT apply.

I think were talking about same one, chicago joey had issues in the thread regarding the judges. Think the posters name who laid the bet was 'gary neville' and im pritty sure he was a british student.

From what ive heard about Frankie he will win this bet imo if it goes ahead.

will he play on one site only or multiple sites?

He plays tilt almost exclusively but on stars as well, I imagine he'll stick to ftp, and then open stars tables whenever volume is lacking on ftp. Also knowing frankie Im pretty sure he'll be playing higher than 2/4 the majority of the prop wont be able to resist lol

full ring or 6 max

Chicago Joey did it at NL25 and was succesful.

Gary Neville was the guy who got exposed for getting his friends to dump, he had to be in profit at the end of the session and ended up like a buyin. Which was subsquently found to be dumped to him.

Having a bet on EV is pretty retarded. Poker is all about variance and thats why people wager. Theres also so much that happens at the tables regarding luck which can't be quantifable by EV. I'd bet  against if it was on profit/loss.

As it is im out!

Nnja Edit: Where do you intend to play these hands?

I've already said I'd bet, but probably depends on a few things:

I think it should be actual $. 100k hands is plenty to slow the variance from your point of view, and less verifiable via PTR for those who don't know you as well.

Also, being able to vary the stakes is a big advantage. You could, say, start off at 5-10, run well the first 20k or 30k hands while fresh and then drop down to 2-4. Or run bad and jump to 10-20 and the odd 25-50 game running. I can see why you need more tables for volume reasons, but ATM there's like 30 400nl 6max games running on FT. It's 11am ET on a Tuesday. So, I think the stakes should be 400nl min to 600nl max.

My mate Chris is up betting ~$5k depending on T&C as well.

/ 2pence

Yeah i also thinks the stakes should be capped at 400-600nl. Theres plenty of games across stars/tilt for this.

This. I also think it should be on one site only, makes the bet much more transparent (though doesnt mean we should take PTR as gospel)

Also assuming here that rakeback/FFPs are not counted towards the overall winnings amount?

I agree that stakes should be capped between 400 and 600nl personally fwiw.

I dont see a problem in it being on stars and tilt though, gotta let the guy game select a bit its still a ridic challenge...

Maybe instead of EV we you insist on an av winrate of xbb/100 maybe 0.5 or something. or could just do it as simple as $1 profit, Franky is worried though that he goes on a horror run, and finished like $14k -EV and lost the bet for those reasons.

Also cant use PTR as a gospel either IMO cos it misses SO many hands, althought fwiw I think it is reasonably accurate for 6m NL

o yeah and all games or 6max NL, but no stipulations on the tables/players etc, except for that they all have to be 100bb tables, I.E no cap/shallow but the deep or deep ante games will be allowed. Franky will be auto-topping to 100bbs throughout the challenge and will never have less.

Anyone wnat to suggest any more T&C alteraltions?

If rakeback isn't counted towards overall winnings does that mean rake doesn't count to overall losses?

Surely can't have it both ways?

Well rake is automatically deducted on HEM & Pokertracker and doesn't get included in stats like BB/100. I'm pretty certain most people considering this bet were assuming that rakeback doesn't count and would have expected it to be in the OP if it was.

To cover yourself you probably want a few just in case T&C's like.

-Bettors cannot play in the same games.

-  A medical emergency unrelated to the normal stresses of playing this amount of volume or a family member or close friend dies then the bet will be halted and a panel of judges agreed on by both parties will decide how to refund the bets.

- If Stars/Tilt pull out of a major market,which effects the liquidity of the games. USA being the obv one.

of course rakeback counts towards my overall profit!!!..... no dont be silly that would be retarded

Make your mind up, you appear to have corrected yourself mid sentence

ye rake back isnt included in the profit

While doing a 100k hands in a week is quite a feat, it is less impressive given achievements of others before. Chichago Joey set a record by completing 50k hands in a day. An achievement that lasted less than 24hrs. Since Joey I think 3 other people have done it. So nobody is doubting that you can play 100k hands in a week. With enough money bet against you quite frankly i'd be surprised if you didn't. There's certainly nothing epic about it.

The real incentive for the bettor is whether you can do it profitably. One of the real interesting things about the bet is the variance and how you deal with it emotionally and mentally. Some guys go on heaters straight away and are basically a lock for the bet. Others hit one bad day and start to doubt themselves then give up. Making ev a part of the bet removes that part of the challenge for you. Of further assistance to you is the ability to play higher than 2/4. Again this give you an out. You can play like a nit/ run hot at 25/50 to cover all your losses at lower stakes and just get in the required hands to win the bet.

If you are serious about making an actual bet... you will play all your hands at one stake i.e. $2/4 and you will remove any talk of an ev stipulation.

Why you this make me serious about making the bet? I've already said I'll play all the hands at 2/4 if that's what people want and as for the ev thing no I'm not going to change that. Putting in the ev line makes the bet more about skill and Less about short term luck, this way we will see if I can play a hefty amount of hours beating 2/4 long term. I have absolutely no idea why you think changing things would make me serious about the bet :s I've laid down the t&c's. By changing the t&c's surely I would become serious about your bet, not my own

Ye would like to stick the bottom 2 of these in. Not too fussed if people want to jump in and make it hard for me

Basically you are giving yourself an edge. A 2knl player playing 400nl with an ev stipulation makes this a straight can you play a 100k hands in a week bet. Anyone willing to bet on this, which I was, would have to know you personally and have a strong inclination that you won't be able to do 100k hands in a weeK.

Well I'm not a 2k not player I take shots this high and play 5/10 at the weekends. During the week I 12 table 2/4 to 5/10 (mainly 2/4-3/6) to achieve this bet I'm going to have to almost double the number of tabled I play at once and double my hours played in a week.I should be able to play the hands but still being profitable at it is a question

Fuck me, imagine if we'd done the bet, Mat loses, then turns around and says oh hai guys you know rake didn't count right? lol

bump

oioi Groghead ITT

Coach me!

is it just me that's really not interested in these props? someone playing loads of poker just isn't that impressive anymore. would much rather someone resurrected the drinking chilli sauce bet

Yep, not interested in this or any other 'prop' betting, whatever that may be, doesn't seem that special anyway if other like-minded guys have done 50% of this in one day. Not sure what the epic bit is in the thread title....tedious prop bet would be more fitting. Don't see the point

Since my bet wasn't booked, I'm out.

EPIC is a matter of opinion something you might think is epic I might think is shit and vica versa and we're both entitled to that, also, if your not interested, dont bet or post. Just dont see the point in people randomly de-railing stuff like this, bit rude imo

Ah, you're allowed an opinion and I'm not? Seems fair. If you don't want others to pass comment I would sort out your epic bloke sits by his pc all week bet privately. Out of interest, if you think it's epic to play 100,000 hands in a week how would u describe the guy's achievement of playing 50k in one day?

I would call that epic. lol
Listen I didnt want to be rude, ofc your opinion is valid - personally i dont really care about the bet (i do not intend to bet myself) I just said id post it for franky. I just dont like it when people try and de-rail stuff for no reason.

if you don't want a thread derailed then it's probs best not to post it on blonde tbh

Gd point, well made.  :)up

nah your not alone m8, how about dont play poker for a week?

Il take that bet, would savve me thousands.

They glued me to a yak.

I still want to see the epic prop 'Greekstein tries not to play poker for 7 hours' thread.

Not gonna happen mate.

 Intrigued

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=49112.0

I'm out!

Did this happen ? How he do ?

Did he win the 17,5k on ftp tonight? was crushing when the Ho busted

wondering how this turned out as well...

can confirm franky went to EPT austria/NAPT in LA and never had time to do this, might still be interested in gettin git going after jan


yh, other night he came 2nd in the ftp 50c ($5k odd) lost to bramdog HU, won the 17.5k KO Ho ft'd ($7k) and also won the $75 $24k gtd the same night ($7.5k)
he also came second in a tourney on ongame and ft'd an ipoker tourney lol

nice life

i think he shouldnt do propbets and he should play tourneys!!

Is he real ?

i'd bet against if this ever happened

OK i have been thinking about a prob bet that will benefit my poker game and i have come up with his one

split up with a long term Girlfriend in Nov so means i can now spent more time playing and spending more money and building a bankroll as i found it very hard before

So odds on this please

To make it on the Sky poker team by Dec 31st (this will involve been sponsored by sky to play poker)

Back ground  I'm tezs at poker

confirmed  :P

how do u make it on sky poker team?

BJ 4 TK LDO

How much you looking to bet?

I'll take your money price this up for you.

I'm out.

How mush you willing to lose? You get even better odds as i cant start till march time as i really busy at the moment

I'm willing to lose lots.

How much you wanna bet? What price you think is fair?

3:1

3:1  are you kidding??  Ask Tony how hard this is going to be, i Don't know anything about odds but if i like the look of them i will have about £200 on it

Ok, your £200 for my £600, will PM details. GL.

Nh sir

I'll give u 6's Rhodesy.

6's im looking to get sponsorship from a poker site do you think it will be that easy

Ok I can give u 66's on your £200 and not pay if you win?

What price do you think it should be?

I mean if Lisa Marie Long can be a pro....

Will u give me 6s cos?

Sure.

give me 10's and i willl have a think about it and talk in march when i will start the grind on sky

just pm me in march

done