Title: final table of a $50 fo on ftp Post by: paulhouk03 on October 12, 2010, 01:15:06 PM im 6th out of 9 not been super loose but picking my spots.
got little experience in bigger stakes final tables, this is the reason im asking. only been at the table for an orbit or so, so not much reads. blinds are 5k 10k with 1k antes well it gets folded to me on the button playing 150k sb - jsbryan has 210k bb - rebellz has 108k I have a2 its either shove or fold right the hand got me thinking whilst i was trying to get to sleep but what would u do? Title: Re: final table of a $50 fo on ftp Post by: railtard1 on October 12, 2010, 01:22:07 PM hard to give a good answer with the information provided. Other stacks at the table? ANY read on the blinds at all? there screen names?
Title: Re: final table of a $50 fo on ftp Post by: TheRaise on October 12, 2010, 01:25:53 PM Is it shove or fold though? If you have no intention of folding just open shove. Is opening for 23k then folding to a reraise terribly bad?
Title: Re: final table of a $50 fo on ftp Post by: TheRaise on October 12, 2010, 01:29:30 PM Also how big are the antes?
Title: Re: final table of a $50 fo on ftp Post by: StuartHopkin on October 12, 2010, 01:30:31 PM Raise folding is terrible, its a sixth of your stack.
Assuming the antes are 1k its a clear shove. Title: Re: final table of a $50 fo on ftp Post by: paulhouk03 on October 12, 2010, 01:31:24 PM hard to give a good answer with the information provided. Other stacks at the table? ANY read on the blinds at all? there screen names? im my gfs laptop so didnt save the handhistory but from what i remember Rebellz is in the bb and jsbryan is in the sb Title: Re: final table of a $50 fo on ftp Post by: paulhouk03 on October 12, 2010, 01:50:34 PM Title: Re: final table of a $50 fo on ftp Post by: boldie on October 12, 2010, 01:57:27 PM Raise folding is terrible, its a sixth of your stack. Assuming the antes are 1k its a clear shove. Listen to the clown Title: Re: final table of a $50 fo on ftp Post by: StuartHopkin on October 12, 2010, 02:02:12 PM Raise folding is terrible, its a sixth of your stack. Assuming the antes are 1k its a clear shove. Listen to the clown Missed you bold one. :-* Title: Re: final table of a $50 fo on ftp Post by: silverslick on October 12, 2010, 02:10:08 PM $24k in the pot so shoving looks fine to me. I presume you are past the bubble which will influence how people might play. You need to consider the impact on players. Are they looking to win or move up the pay scale.
Title: Re: final table of a $50 fo on ftp Post by: paulhouk03 on October 12, 2010, 02:54:05 PM i did push but dunno if it was the right move
Title: Re: final table of a $50 fo on ftp Post by: StuartHopkin on October 12, 2010, 02:59:27 PM i did push but dunno if it was the right move It completely and utterly is a frickin straight forward shove Paul Ho you ex gardening tool wanna be. M=6.25 Personally I shove abs my entire range if I was ever so fucking lucky to have it folded to me on the button. Title: Re: final table of a $50 fo on ftp Post by: railtard1 on October 12, 2010, 03:02:47 PM this comp plays pretty shallow at final iirc. I only asked for other stacks and villains because often ur have a ladder op vs a 4bb stack or sumink. Probably shoving, JSbryan is decent and will correct, dont know other guy. But yeh raise fold is just beyond terrible.
Title: Re: final table of a $50 fo on ftp Post by: Longy on October 12, 2010, 03:23:57 PM 24k in the pot, we have 150k. Blinds are effective 8/16k, we have less than 10bbs. We also have an ace on the button, this is always a push the blinds are pretty irrelevant, no matter how wide or loose they call it is always going to be a good shove.
Paul you really should know this as a 90man grinder. Title: Re: final table of a $50 fo on ftp Post by: paulhouk03 on October 12, 2010, 03:30:20 PM not too sure if i should play a 50$ tourney the same way i play a 3$ tourney. i would 100% shove this in a 3$ maybe i should have a 100% mind set on winning regardless of what tourney i play in. And having a eye on the money doesnt help as winning 2k+ is still pretty significant for me :) Title: Re: final table of a $50 fo on ftp Post by: George2Loose on October 12, 2010, 04:15:04 PM I think this is close. I may fold a shitty ace otb.
Title: Re: final table of a $50 fo on ftp Post by: action man on October 12, 2010, 04:18:55 PM i mean if your playing these stakes regurlaly then its a shove.
If your taking a shot and there are a few very short stacks then a fold is ok. if the blinds are total nits then minraise fold isnt entirely awful. Im always shoving here Title: Re: final table of a $50 fo on ftp Post by: TheRaise on October 12, 2010, 04:34:47 PM Just a general question on themes discussed in this thread. How big does our stack need to be for raise/folding not to be terrible. So at what stack size can we open raise and fold to a 3 bet?
Title: Re: final table of a $50 fo on ftp Post by: StuartHopkin on October 12, 2010, 04:55:15 PM Just a general question on themes discussed in this thread. How big does our stack need to be for raise/folding not to be terrible. So at what stack size can we open raise and fold to a 3 bet? Say 400k, put dont forget that SB and BB need similar stacks? Title: Re: final table of a $50 fo on ftp Post by: railtard1 on October 12, 2010, 04:57:55 PM Just a general question on themes discussed in this thread. How big does our stack need to be for raise/folding not to be terrible. So at what stack size can we open raise and fold to a 3 bet? In this instance raise folding to the bb who has 10.8bb is bad IMO. (considering our stack). But in general i dont think rules should be set, (i.e i wont raise fold to a 10bb stack, or i must shove that hand with 15bb etc). A ton of things affect shoving ranges, raise folding ranges and raise calling ranges. Like, raise calling a 20bb shove with A8o would of been unheard of not so long ago, but is a pretty standard snap in a ton of spots now (usually with reads and / or history). As trigg said above sometimes raise folding to nits who are shoving 10bb CAN BE ok but having notes is so VITAL when ur regging mtt's online. The notes should not only contain ur read on opponent, but also what there likely read is on you, i.e if u spazzed to them in the past then use that to ur advantage. Title: Re: final table of a $50 fo on ftp Post by: dean23price on October 12, 2010, 05:05:28 PM stick the kettle on marc
Title: Re: final table of a $50 fo on ftp Post by: Longy on October 12, 2010, 05:08:57 PM stick the kettle on marc Talking to yourself is the first sign of madness. Title: Re: final table of a $50 fo on ftp Post by: railtard1 on October 12, 2010, 05:11:19 PM stick the kettle on marc Talking to yourself is the first sign of madness. at least ur amusing urself Title: Re: final table of a $50 fo on ftp Post by: Girgy85 on October 12, 2010, 05:21:06 PM stick the kettle on marc Talking to yourself is the first sign of madness. at least ur amusing urself You payed everybody back yet u grimming toerag? Title: Re: final table of a $50 fo on ftp Post by: railtard1 on October 12, 2010, 05:29:34 PM stick the kettle on marc Talking to yourself is the first sign of madness. at least ur amusing urself You payed everybody back yet u grimming toerag? yeh nice response good looking. on the road fwiw yeh. Was only posting here trying to educate for some reason, wont bother again. gl Title: Re: final table of a $50 fo on ftp Post by: paulhouk03 on October 12, 2010, 05:50:38 PM Btw this was a shot don't think I will be playing this reg
Although I did find it pretty soft Title: Re: final table of a $50 fo on ftp Post by: railtard1 on October 12, 2010, 05:52:19 PM Btw this was a shot don't think I will be playing this reg Although I did find it pretty soft yeh the $50 fo is one of the softer dailys, also recommend the 4pm $75 tilt and stars 2pm $109 Title: Re: final table of a $50 fo on ftp Post by: EvilPie on October 12, 2010, 06:17:41 PM stick the kettle on marc Talking to yourself is the first sign of madness. at least ur amusing urself You payed everybody back yet u grimming toerag? yeh nice response good looking. on the road fwiw yeh. Was only posting here trying to educate for some reason, wont bother again. gl Please don't let Girgy put you off. I really don't care about your personal life if your responses are good which this one clearly is. Fwiw I'd rather read PHA posts from a grimmer who knows what they're doing than from a bloke who finds it amusing to post pictures of his own shit. Railtards posts have much more merit in this thread than Girgy's imo. Title: Re: final table of a $50 fo on ftp Post by: pleno1 on October 12, 2010, 06:46:43 PM I had a bad past with Marc, but can't dispute his poker. Very good player and be a shame if he's put off posting. Also think he is a nice guy deep down, second chance imo :)
Title: Re: final table of a $50 fo on ftp Post by: sovietsong on October 12, 2010, 08:33:38 PM couldnt give a shit what railtard1 has done, pls continue to post on PHA.
Title: Re: final table of a $50 fo on ftp Post by: toddswain on October 13, 2010, 12:09:27 AM couldnt give a shit what railtard1 has done, pls continue to post on PHA. This As for the hand, i dont mind either the shove or the fold, seeing as your taking a shot, i probs lean more towards a fold Title: Re: final table of a $50 fo on ftp Post by: buzzharvey22 on October 13, 2010, 02:51:59 AM couldnt give a shit what railtard1 has done, pls continue to post on PHA. 100% this. |