Title: Playing satellite for somebody else - opinions please Post by: AlexB on October 12, 2010, 11:21:14 PM Hello Everyone
I have been asked to play in a super satellite ($500+$25) on behalf of an acquaintance who is unavailable to play himself. The prize will be entry to a major poker event with a package value of $17,500. I have simply agreed stating that should I be successful, we should split any and all proceeds on a 50/50 basis, that is 50% of the expenses portion of the package(equal to 50% of $17.5k minus event buyin), plus 50% of any winnings that this person may go on to receive in the major tournament itself. The person in question and I have never been in this situation before, and I would never wish to be unreasonable or take unfair advantage. Does this appear to be the case? Is the arrangement I have illustrated unreasonable? What is 'the norm' for this kind of situation? Advice / opinions appreciated. AlexB Title: Re: Playing satellite for somebody else - opinions please Post by: Claw75 on October 12, 2010, 11:25:57 PM Not been in that situation myself either, but gut feeling is that if he's putting up all the money then asking for 50% seems a bit much.
Title: Re: Playing satellite for somebody else - opinions please Post by: outragous76 on October 12, 2010, 11:38:17 PM if he cant unreg - and you are as capable if not better than him - seems fine to me
if you (or someone else) doesnt play its gg 525 Title: Re: Playing satellite for somebody else - opinions please Post by: toddswain on October 12, 2010, 11:47:49 PM Id say seeing as its his money and hes going to be playing the event, 75/25 in his favour seems fair for the actual event... if the rest of the package is expenses and doesnt already have hotel paid for, 50/50 seems fair. however if the package includes accom, dont think you can be asking for 50% of this as they tend to have a ridic value to them
Title: Re: Playing satellite for somebody else - opinions please Post by: AndrewT on October 12, 2010, 11:54:03 PM Surely 100% of the expenses need to go to whoever is actually playing the event.
If he agrees to give you 50% of him in the event and is happy with that then fair enough. Title: Re: Playing satellite for somebody else - opinions please Post by: tikay on October 12, 2010, 11:55:51 PM Surely 100% of the expenses need to go to whoever is actually playing the event. If he agrees to give you 50% of him in the event and is happy with that then fair enough. This is the only "mandatory", the rest is purely between the 2 of you to decide & agree, but he HAS to have all the exs. Title: Re: Playing satellite for somebody else - opinions please Post by: toddswain on October 13, 2010, 12:07:18 AM Surely 100% of the expenses need to go to whoever is actually playing the event. If he agrees to give you 50% of him in the event and is happy with that then fair enough. This is the only "mandatory", the rest is purely between the 2 of you to decide & agree, but he HAS to have all the exs. Surely 100% of the expenses need to go to whoever is actually playing the event. If he agrees to give you 50% of him in the event and is happy with that then fair enough. Actually, reading these, i 100% agree about the expenses, stll dont think he should be giving you anywhere near 50% of main though, id strech to 70/30.. Gl in the sat Title: Re: Playing satellite for somebody else - opinions please Post by: tikay on October 13, 2010, 12:11:30 AM Surely 100% of the expenses need to go to whoever is actually playing the event. If he agrees to give you 50% of him in the event and is happy with that then fair enough. This is the only "mandatory", the rest is purely between the 2 of you to decide & agree, but he HAS to have all the exs. Surely 100% of the expenses need to go to whoever is actually playing the event. If he agrees to give you 50% of him in the event and is happy with that then fair enough. Actually, reading these, i 100% agree about the expenses, stll dont think he should be giving you anywhere near 50% of main though, id strech to 70/30.. Gl in the sat Yes, but that's a matter for them, whereas the suggestion of going 50/50 on the exs is obviously wrong. Title: Re: Playing satellite for somebody else - opinions please Post by: AlexB on October 13, 2010, 01:54:01 AM All comments appreciated and acknowledged.
The more I dwell upon the matter, the more I feel that my impulsive proposal to this chap clearly requires a little more thought. I do know that whatever happens, I will play on his behalf, as he is aware of my track record which speaks for itself. I also know that he will be in the vacinity regardless, whether qualifying for the event or not, which may have been incidental in suggesting a sharing of any value over and above the event buyin. I know he's happy as is, but viewing the general concensus has certainly prompted me to revise things prior to the satellite this coming Sunday. I would rather be shortchanged than be shortchanging, if that's even an appropriate analogy! AlexB Title: Re: Playing satellite for somebody else - opinions please Post by: AlexB on October 17, 2010, 02:26:19 PM Wow Sunday already! Our arrangement has been modified to the following - $2k plus a 70/30 chop in his favour of any main event returns. All I need to do is bink this (at present 15 runner) satellite for a $2k bankroll boost!
Title: Re: Playing satellite for somebody else - opinions please Post by: toddswain on October 17, 2010, 03:36:55 PM Gl in that, btw what is the satellite for ?
Title: Re: Playing satellite for somebody else - opinions please Post by: AlexB on October 17, 2010, 06:49:12 PM Gl in that, btw what is the satellite for ? tyty, it's for the Aussie Millions where the chap I am standing in for has a daughter and heads there in Jan anyway - either way he'll be sunning it up down under the lucky so and so ;-)) Title: Re: Playing satellite for somebody else - opinions please Post by: action man on October 17, 2010, 06:58:47 PM win seat then worry. Not about what to do with the package, but about whether to pay my $1k ransom so i dont informt he site that your ghosting the account
Title: Re: Playing satellite for somebody else - opinions please Post by: sovietsong on October 17, 2010, 07:16:15 PM win seat then worry. Not about what to do with the package, but about whether to pay my $1k ransom so i dont informt he site that your ghosting the account I will be also looking for $1k gl Title: Re: Playing satellite for somebody else - opinions please Post by: AlexB on October 17, 2010, 07:35:00 PM win seat then worry. Not about what to do with the package, but about whether to pay my $1k ransom so i dont informt he site that your ghosting the account I will be also looking for $1k gl Really? Oh damm just bust with AA vs KK allin pre how ul is that! ;-)) Oh, it hasnt started yet, that was in the binkfest lol Title: Re: Playing satellite for somebody else - opinions please Post by: LOJ on October 17, 2010, 10:34:24 PM result?? Title: Re: Playing satellite for somebody else - opinions please Post by: doubleup on October 18, 2010, 12:29:24 AM result?? He can't say for fear of blackmail (altho he might claim to have won it when he didn't for spite/disqualification purposes) Title: Re: Playing satellite for somebody else - opinions please Post by: AlexB on October 18, 2010, 01:26:59 AM sadly it was all to no avail, no badbeat stories tho, not good enough on the day :-(
Title: Re: Playing satellite for somebody else - opinions please Post by: gatso on October 18, 2010, 01:36:25 AM sadly it was all to no avail, no badbeat stories tho, not good enough on the day :-( but you did still play on your mates a/c so need to send the boys 1k each or they'll grass Title: Re: Playing satellite for somebody else - opinions please Post by: Pyso on October 18, 2010, 05:27:32 PM I am dismayed by the number of people who seem to think it is ok to play a satellite for someone else, or in other words cheat.
Title: Re: Playing satellite for somebody else - opinions please Post by: RED-DOG on October 18, 2010, 05:46:15 PM I am dismayed by the number of people who seem to think it is ok to play a satellite for someone else, or in other words cheat. Should be shot at dawn imo. Title: Re: Playing satellite for somebody else - opinions please Post by: gatso on October 18, 2010, 05:51:46 PM I am dismayed by the number of people who seem to think it is ok to play a satellite for someone else, or in other words cheat. why do you consider this cheating? Title: Re: Playing satellite for somebody else - opinions please Post by: MKKfish on October 18, 2010, 06:04:45 PM I am dismayed by the number of people who seem to think it is ok to play a satellite for someone else, or in other words cheat. why do you consider this cheating? Because it's ghosting.. what's not to understand? Now if his mate had given him the buy in to play under his own account and then 'bought' the seat from him then there's not a problem. But if you log on to play SN 'x' you don't expect to have Moorman (example) playing. Title: Re: Playing satellite for somebody else - opinions please Post by: gatso on October 18, 2010, 06:09:11 PM I am dismayed by the number of people who seem to think it is ok to play a satellite for someone else, or in other words cheat. why do you consider this cheating? Because it's ghosting.. what's not to understand? Now if his mate had given him the buy in to play under his own account and then 'bought' the seat from him then there's not a problem. But if you log on to play SN 'x' you don't expect to have Moorman (example) playing. yeah but pyso's post reads as if he's specifically referring to playing a sat for someone else as the cheating rather than the ghosting. I could be wrong though Title: Re: Playing satellite for somebody else - opinions please Post by: MKKfish on October 18, 2010, 06:25:24 PM I am dismayed by the number of people who seem to think it is ok to play a satellite for someone else, or in other words cheat. why do you consider this cheating? Because it's ghosting.. what's not to understand? Now if his mate had given him the buy in to play under his own account and then 'bought' the seat from him then there's not a problem. But if you log on to play SN 'x' you don't expect to have Moorman (example) playing. yeah but pyso's post reads as if he's specifically referring to playing a sat for someone else as the cheating rather than the ghosting. I could be wrong though oh ok my bad - apologies Title: Re: Playing satellite for somebody else - opinions please Post by: Pyso on October 18, 2010, 07:44:32 PM It's misrepresentation, fraud, call it what you will, and both players are party to it.
It's like someone qualifying for say, the Open Golf Championship under a different name and then the less capable or originally unavailable player playing in the real event. How would the sporting world feel about that if it happened (which of course it never would, but it's an extreme example to prove a point)? Maybe I just come from an out-of-date generation that cares about these things. I've never lied on a CV and I still think it matters to get "your" and "you're" mixed up...so, sigh, what do I know?.... Title: Re: Playing satellite for somebody else - opinions please Post by: gatso on October 18, 2010, 08:14:19 PM nah, disagree 100% and your example makes no sense except in very specific circumstances where a comp is sat entry only
for most comps anyone can buy in or buy a seat from someone else who's won it. the person who played the sat is irrelevant you can't compare it to the open which despite it's name isn't open but has entry requirements so someone else qualifying for you would be fraudulent ghosting is a different matter entirely though Title: Re: Playing satellite for somebody else - opinions please Post by: NigDawG on October 19, 2010, 04:18:59 PM it's still 1 person per account and 1 account per person though. fwiw it doesn't bother me but strictly speaking this is against the rules.
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