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Unfortunately no hand history

I have about 200bbs playing 25/50plo

2 limps and I pot it OTB w/  Qd 7d 8c Qc

Both blinds call as do the initial limpers.

The Ad 3d 6d is checked to me and I bet 3/4 pot. 3 callers

The turn is the   4h and is checked once again to me I bet 1/2 pot and get two callers

River is  5s and the sb donks out half pot, we have 1.2x (ish) pot sized left behind after we call. Jam/call/fold?

There is obviously issues I'm wanting to talk about but will post after a few replies.

Think yourself lucky he hasn't check/raised you for the lot.

Pretty straight forward call for me with position.

SB has made your life easy. You were probably betting half pot on river anyway so just take it as a gift with no overly difficult decisions

Jam. flame him in chat box for being an idiot if he flips the nuts.

are you sure about the numbers?

sure with the way the hand went, not too sure on stack sizes pre, and i think i mightnt have as much left to shove on river, but was definitely considerable amount more, not just 2/3bbs.

have these spots pretty often.

I just always ALWAYS Call.

25 50 is dollars or 0.25 0.50 ? Def jam as he should never have the  Kd bit in this spot.

lol 50plo :)

Just a flat call from me. Not jamming and not folding.

I do play this differently to the way you have though. Not always but probably a higher % of the time than I bet, I check the flop.

why?

Multiway it looks incredibly strong to bet into all these people. You should always have a flush when you do, unless you have the Kd in your hand and want to get barrell happy. We are never getting 3 streets of value from worse flushes imo, or we shouldn't be in a 5 way pot (I know some people are just terra at 25c50c so rule doesn't always apply).

The flop is also safe enough that there are very very few turn cards that we won't like or that will affect the relative strength of our hand.

We control the size of the pot and either allow people to bet into us with worse flushes or bluff at the pot, plus our hand is then unrepped and may even look more like a small flush or a set of aces.

If checked to a second time I'm happily potting away.

I just think it's the best way to make the most from the hand

good post greek. Makes a lot of sense to me trying to learn PLO coming from NL.

and what do you get shown usually?

Calling seems the safest bet but i'm thinking that if hes calling the nut flush he's got to be a major spanner or have some quality blocker action like  Kd 3h  6h  5d. this could then make sense to call down knowing he's likely up against smaller flush and set or 2 sets.

or he could just be super nit and not like getting it in when he fears he's going to have to hold through the turn, river against top set.

It does seem just super dumb to bet anything but the nuts though.

If he puts both players on a flush, seems silly to raise. A set isn't going to be barrelling here.

Usually, as in the highest % of the time, I get shown the nuts, and I say, WOW, WHY ON EARTH DO YOU HAVE THE NUTS (spesh at these levels where poeple play rele wierd) then the rest of the time I see, spazzy lower flushes, and random nut blocker/missed wrap airballs and then I think WOW, YOU'RE WOEFULL.

you need to be good 1in3, but vs unknowns we have no real way of knowing whether we will be or not, so, as an average of times Iv found myself in these odd spots, I just flick a call in.

I agree 100%, I take this line as a stnd also. Its a very bad idea to over-rep the second nuts, as OBV the nuts is never going to fold, plus by chking back you leave yourself tons of (to quote Skjervoy) "wiggle room" i.e the board might pair and you might turn your hand into a bluff (certainly you wouldnt do that in this instance) you ca value town smaller flushes who will probs c/c two streets now.

Its a tricky play to balance though imo, you could either balance your chking range by chking the nuts/nut blocker and smaller flushes from time to time, or you could lead sets and non nut flushes occasionally, and then always bet the nut flush.

But I think this is actually a spot though where you can have a pretty polarized Cbetting range, where you bet airballs/blockers and nuts, and c/back non-nut flushes and sets/2pairs. In this instance I prefer a very small Cbet, something like 1/3 - 1/2 of the pot, people will tend to be reasonably striaght forward in these multi-way pots so if we assume in this strategy you're going to be air balling more than not, you will show a larger profit long term from a smaller cBet, plus its gives people a better price to call call with worse flushes when we do have it (we can defo bet a lot larger on the turn either way)

Dont really understand everyones mindset of thinking the second nuts is no good here as to just flat call as with 3 players in the river better would surely have to raise turn if he had the  Kd flush on the turn to protect his hand if he understood the game at all? IMO you have to raise for value here as hand is played an defintely pass if checked raised turn? Maybe ive lost !

lol

an answer would help rather a lol ? turkstein ?

I prefer calling to raising personally because the majoirty of the time we win this pot we're against spazzy bluffs and blocker bets, not a lot of value to raising as much as I agree he should never have the nuts as played, he will have it often enough to make raising for value negate the value we gain when he's loosing his  brain with a set or smaller flush.

the way its played it looks like he should have the hand we're holding imo.

yeah the 3rd nuts = jack flush!

given my answer already mr shagalampost

didnt read it properly as was too detailed for my understanding!