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Info on Villain,we've collided a few times he's definitely the weakest player at the table,he's got there about 4 times vs me so far so probably feels he's playing well against me.He min bet 20 into 440 when he rivered 2 pair,called oop with 105s and got to showdown with 3rd pair calling every street vs another opponent.Also seen him call every street vs diff guy where he limp called pre and called down every street with 22(he didn't make a set),he was behind.

So to the hand,this is the 2nd time he's min 3bet me,first time I had 22 and check folded a J44 flop.No proper HH since as far as am aware you can't get one from Sky.

We are 5 handed 50/100

Hero 3865 10 10
Villain 4280  x  x

I open from UTG+1 to 250
Villain 3bets to 400 from UTG+2
I peel

Pot: 800

Flop Kd 2h 2c

I check call a bet of 475

Pot : 1750

Turn 3s

I check call a bet of 400(nice bet sizing from him)

Pot : 2550

River Js

I check he bets 400 again and I call.

Couple of questions ? Have I played my hand to passively and is 1010 to weak to attempt to get 3 streets of value vs this opponent as obviously any card above a 10 is not great for us.I think basically we beat 77-99.I don't think he ever has a 2 in his hand or 33 and I don't think he's ever firing three streets with air.My read was he either has AK/KQ or has got there on the river with AJ or we are ahead.I didn't think by his bet sizing that he could be any stronger than that.

So how did I play the hand ?

1) hhs are here -

https://www.skypoker.com/secure/poker/sky_lobby?action=go_hand_history

but you need the hh no really.

2) this is going to sound like unusual unsolid advice but in these games raise more pre snap any jam.  I just move in pre alot because they are so bad and 3 betting so poorly/ stupidly. you're most likely beat by the river 3 bets going in usually means they have 2nd pair plus imo;

I have access to the HH but c+p it looks terrible and doubt photoshopping it would look any good,don't no of another way.

I think I've made it quite clear anyway which is very unusual for me.

You need to be in firefox, THEN you need to be posting on the sky forums and the 'picture of the info' comes up properly. it's a massive hassle.

I'll just stick with what I've done lol,cheers.Will obv wait for a few replys before saying results.

sure did

you could've mentioned your cards a touch earlier than the last paragraph

what's the thinking behind the 2.5x? I don't think it's bad but wonder what the reasoning is

I think the 2.5 is tez


reason being


we aren't playing against loose 3 betters, we aren't playing against restealers perse, there are no antes so stealing should be reduced. the standard of these comps allows you to raise fold out of 15 bigs and do lots of stupid things you realistically shouldn't do in a proper tourny.

I think raise calling you are going to make way too many mistakes against these randoms who just play so weirdly and poorly, and we haz value hand and the things i've seen them call with just shovel it in and hold.

Amended OP for you Gatso.

The 2.5x is just something I've started doing in 45mans last couple of weeks and bringing it in a little before the ante's.I was 3xing pre this level.

This is the 3rd 3bet at the table in half an hour so it certainly hasn't been a crazy table.I don't really understand how you can say we aren't playing against loose 3bettors but then say we should 4bet get it in and hope to hold ??

I mean we aren't making lots of small raise size steals knowing our opponents will reshove over us because are oppos are 4 years behind and looking at their cards. Ofc there will be a few solid exceptions but you can spot them so quickly! I'm not saying people don't 3 bet but when they do it's 22 or 66 or A4o it's not a strategy looking to outplay your stealing. They will not only 3bet randomly wide but also call it off randomly wide. Hence I think TT here is massive for 35bets. The blinds don't stay low for long. IMO just raise 3x for value with big cards and nuts hands.

I think that raise calling here puts you in ridiculous spots on most flops/turns because they have such weird betting patterns/tendencies as such I'd be raise folding or raise snap getting it in depending on the player.

I think I gave a pretty accurate description of the villain to suggest I definitely didn't think any of his plays where above level 1 thinking.Obviously you have a lot more experience of playing where fish are fish at Sky pokers for fish as this was my first visit over there.

Ah yeah it's kewl it's so hard to get your head around it.  If you can play just a few tables and watch the standard you'll soon realise that your mind WILL BOGGLE. rotflmfao

edit my best advice is to play it like live, so assume everyone is pretty ridic bad, and use more live orientated ranges as opposed to FTP/Stars MTT ranges.

I don't see how 2.5xing as opposed to 3xing can be tez as there isn't a sufficient difference between the two in this situation.

4-bet/get-it-in pre sounds good against this villain, as played I think it's fine.

I just mean in general against the level of clownyness. They're going to be defending wide anyway so make it for value make it bigger. Just like live. simples.

I know the standards meant to not be great but surely if we 4 bet pre villain will fold most hands that we beat and only call with those we are crushed by or flipping with ? He'd surely be folding 77 or A10 so even if he calls with 88+ which seems still a tad wide to me his range is still heavily weighted towards hands we are flipping with at best ?

Pre is fine, check-fold flop.

norrrrrr they are tez flop is not terrible for us, pre is worse than c/f flop imo unless we're looking for just a ten bawl.

Not folding here Monda.


What would u do here if you had say, KQ?

touching our special place whilst stacking off whichever way the fish wants.

Really ? Can't see how we can c/f flop here vs this villain.

+1 deepish vs weak fish surely we only want to be in big pots by value betting our made hands not trying to get tricky/clever with 2nd pair type hands.

we can't.

cant believe im gona disagree with james keys.

I think 4bet getting it in pre has to be correct here vs a spazzy retarded clown. Mainly because its going to be so hard to play OOP postflop like 35bb deep or w/e vs a villain who is going to do stupid stuff (like bet more on turn than he did on flop). With depth of stacks, if we 4bet pre / get it in, and were beat, its kinda cold IMO.

Once we've peeled pre though what do you think of post flop play ?

I'm still not sure on the merits of 4bet/get it in pre.Yeah villain is spewy/bad but what are we putting his calling ranges at to suggest this is the best line ?