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Mid day 2, about 150 players left.

I'm on table 37 which means that my table will be one of the latter ones to break. My table has been really passive and only 3 people been knocked out ( I took them all out) I'm opening around 85% of pots and winning around 70% of them. I have 80k and nobody on the table has over 15k. Looking around the room I cant see anyone on over 50k although it is very possible there is, one guy who does have more is James Howard my friend from Newcastle and very very very good player James has 80k as he is put to my direct right. James tells me he has been opening 100% of pots on other table without resistance. We swap 10%..

First hand he raises I call in position, raise his flop bet and take it away with air, second time its exactly the same thing and James I hear James telling his backer Ben  FML why do I have to be put on his  right.

James is down to 60k and I have 110k (average 27,800) There are 4 levels left till end of day. Average going into day 3 with 114 left was like 55k iirc.

Folded to James in the cut off and he makes it 3300 at 800/1600

I CALL on the button with  9c 9d and the blinds get out the way

FLOP:  Ks 9s 2s

James bets 4100 which I think is largish cbet size. I CALL

TURN:  Qc

James checks pretty quickly and I make it 7k, James takes around 10 seconds and makes it 18k more, I CALL (he has 22k behind)

RIVER:  4c

James shoves (22k) I CALL

We talked about this hand in the car for over an hour about both of our lines on all four streets.

Thoughts on-
Flatting pre
5bet shoving pre for value
3bet folding pre
Raising Flop
Checking behind turn
Just getting it in on turn
James' value range on turn that he's happy to get it in with
FOLD river?

Sorry theres alot but I think its a really unique spot in tricky situation.

If only the dealer had pulled him up for the under raise....

2300 at 800/1600, is not allowed.


Other than that i think your just over analysing the hand coz he had a flush.

Nothing wrong with your play, just standard cooler.

he makes it 25k on the turn?

ah, 3300, cbet size seems fine now then. and yes rupert he raised 18k

can't imagine why you should ever do either of these things

When you're on a weak/passive/easy table, where you out-chip everyone except one person, and that person is, by your own admission "very very very good", why pick him to tangle with?

Erm, what!?

i'd raise the flop given history it's gonna be pretty tough for him to fold a king given that youve done it 3 times in a row

Why do "very very very good" players need backing for £50 tourneys?

Because someone is staked for a £50 tourney does that mean their staking only includes £50 tournies?

They could be staked for a variety of games and whilst in makeup are playing this too. I know if I was the backer and my horse was in makeup I'd want them playing this on makeup.

Looks fine, guess we could raise flop sometimes too, and obviously 3b pre is an option...

MBN to have never gone broke

Definitely prefer a 3bet pre, happy to play for stacks here against another very aggro player for <40bbs

You've been owning him, he probably knows it and is clearly frustrated with the situation, perfect to 3bet to induce the 4bet spazjam and snap it off

As played I like your line and snap the river. We're playing 38bbs deep in a £50FO vs an aggro competent player and the board run makes it so easy for him to put you on draws and weak 1 pair hands, definitely not thinking about  folding here.

 

+1

If he was on your left and you were going to be there all day maybe but you have position on him and you already know the rest of the table. Really bad spot to swap imo

Yeh seems strange that youll c/raise him with air then when you have a super strong hand you just decide to flat

But if we raise this flop he has a very small value range that will get it in imo. But I think he double/triple barrels quite alot when I flat. Not saying this was right, but was my thought process at the time.

I've been broke more times than I can remember, but never looked for a staking deal.

da\m n vfked itg smell my fingersd

lol

+alsas dgt

His "in you eye" range is huge tho

Ok, cool. So flop raise size?

I like 10425 (if 25's are still in play)

My mates telling me as played we should b/f turn

edit: Yeah I like that sizing too.

B/F turn? Really?

There are probably people in this tournament than you can b/f turn again but if villain is a competant LAG player I think folding is terrible

I think sometimes shit happens. Sometimes your going broke. This is one of those occasions.

So he's your mate and you have swapped a percentage yet your trying to exploit him by flatting and raising flops, then we think we can fold a set when we flop one 35 bb effective. say what.

also if someone I know flats and raises a board where I have to continue with a very narrow range that insta makes me level myself and continue super wide because he knows I know and fk him that's why....


I don't really see the point in trying to 3b5b this shallow and nor do I see the point in flopping a set and folding.

My instant reaction was 3bet / snap pre as im doubting he can take much more. But if you have flatted pre previously, i like flatting, but as rupert said (and said well fwiw), we have to raise flop. Its hard for him to fold much to you given history plus i think we get semi spazzed on so often. As x, K x, Qs x, all hands were in good or crushign shape against.

i dont understand why your going to war with the only good player at the table in the previous hand..

in the 99s hand with the history as described i think 3bet/calling is the best line

My thought process behind the former was that Jaes will literally open 100% of pots and everyone else had 15-20bb stacks but were not shoving any wider than AQ/99 they were really bad/nitty. If I didnt adjust James would have just taken all the dead money and I thought this was an idea spot to go from 110k to over 150-200k and be in a good position to win tournie. I thought if I peeled a couple of times and raised flops he would readjust and nit up letting me have full reign of the table again. Is this really bad?

I dont know why a) this is relevant, or b) you feel the need to comment, considering you probably have no idea of the financial situation of the player, or his backing deal. I dont want to open the whole "why do good players need staking" bs of an argument and i knwo im gonna get flamed for this post but w/e it rele pisses me off and Iv never been one to not say when somethig pisses me off...

Back to subject - I 100% agree with 3bet/calling pre, I think despite your history he's smart enough to not randomly spazz with  8c 9c and vs a competant 4bet calling range we're not in great shape + 3bet folding is just out of the question cos our hand is too good. As played I think if we dont raise flop (which i really think we should) we cant do anything but call turn raise and call river shove(which he is surely doing having raised the turn to leave himself 1/3 pot behind?) I spose we can go all in on the turn but if we have 0 fold equity call call is marginally better for obvious reasons.

I anxiously await the results, Im gonna guess KQ with the  Qs ???

The reason I don't like raising this flop is because his value range and spaz range is pretty small. I mean I think I get spite eyeballed with kings, As and not too much more. If this was say a 982 flop I would much prefer to raise as I think he could spite eyeball a huge range, 56,67,78,910,10j,q10,qj,kq,ak,aq, 1010+ etc

The range I actually put on him on the turn when he c/r was KQsx or AAsx, but I really don't think he jams the river with these. It is quite interesting that in the car on the way home James told me that he put me on a small flush like 67ss or j10ss, he also told me he would 100% barrel the turn wih AAsx/KQsx and most likely fold if I jammed.

James had Q8ss.

agree dave.

I'm interested in people's reasons why they aren't comfortable with it.I think it would be fair to say your comment was a tad sarcastic Ralf and is maybe why some took offence but I think there is a valid discussion to be had on this.

Btw I am staked by a fellow blonde and in a sick value tournament such as this one + the 6max sidey (that was ridic soft) I think that it would be totall unfair to exlcude these games from the staking deal. Most of my tournies I play are the same amount and usually lower so seems ridic that I wouldnt. I see staking as a long term project that can be profitable for both of us.

and I as well apologise for being insanely aggro in my response lol. Im happy to open debate about it, but as long as we avoid the "if you're good why do you need staking" argument.
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No problem but please do not put words in my mouth.

I was referring to a player who was so good that three "very"s were needed to describe his skillz.

mbn to be Very Very Very good. I might stake him :)

Yeah once i posted it i thought about the situation more and its not bad at all lol i was thinking of situations where iv done the exact same.
so ignore that bit :)

find a good spot to 3to5bet T4o vs him imo ;)