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Last time I done one of these I horrendously mucked up a lot of the explanation so I will try and do better this time!

Firstly I will explain the hand then I have about 3 or 4 questions which I would value opinions on.

We are 6 handed, decent tournament, blind levels are 5000-10000 with 1.14 million in play.  Button is on seat 1,  UTG opens for approximately 30k (was around a 3 bet give or take a couple of K) from a stack of about 240k, next player folds, I am to the right of the button and look down at  Td  Th the raiser has not been overly active but certainly not a rock.  From a stack of about 180k I repop to 80k leaving myself 100k behind still 3 to act, all fold, the original raiser dwells before announcing all in!  I go in the tank for quite a bit, assuming I am in pretty bad shape but seeing almost half my chips in the middle.  I have seen him overplay a big ace previously and wonder if it could be the same, so eventually call.  Didnt want to leave myself back at 10 big blinds, he shows down  Ac  Ks and catches his card, good night Vienna!

So for the questions:

1.  Is my reraise reasonable? or should I have smoothed or pushed? K Q flop so I would have got out with minimal damage!
2.  Would you agree with the AK shove?  my own thinking is what could I possibly repop pre flop with which AK is not at best flipping with?  this was my first pre flop reraise and probably the first pot of note we had played together.
3.  Is my call bad? I was pretty lucky he had done as I had hoped and overplayed a big ace, I should really have been crushed (I personally dont like it in hindsight, not sure what I thought I was beating)

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Just shove you only have 18bbs,his call is really standard and correct.Hate peeling and no you should never 3bet/fold half your stack.

Think it all looks pretty standard but I know diddly,

Would be very passive to call pre 6 handed and look to set mine only

Would be pretty bad to raise/fold pre

Edit: Just read Monda's note and I would also shove this pre - same outcome tho..early bath

1) Dont mind the re raise or the shove, when he ships though you have to call as fast as you can. No need to get into the tank.

2) Yes his shove is standard

3) Nope, only the fact you took your time. Its unlucky but the money should defo all be going in preflop.

Then you just need to learn how to win da fiddy fiiddies!

Wrong forum, this thread belongs in beginners questions. Sorry mate but it's true. Get super system or something off amazon IMO.

I knew there was a reason why I knew the answer.

I cant read! but I will consider it....

3 bet shove all in the don't have chips to reraise small, if raise or reraise is more than 30% of stack only real option is shove

OP, your problems with this hand are actually nothing to do with the hand itself, which is as has been said a hand which will play itself, you are both 6 handed, with shallow stacks and both have premium hands - this is a situation where whoever's cards are best are gonna win and no level of poker skill or knowledge can change it.

the problems come from you're overall game plan, which is very flawed + is apparent from these parts of your OP...




 One of the most essential parts of a tournament game plan, is you have to have a plan for every move. And it's not hard to plan ahead at all. Remember anything yu do will promote 1 of 3 reactions out of you're opponents...
They will either
1) Fold
2) Call
3) Raise/Bet

So figure out before you make any desicion a) what you think you're villain will do with whatever hands you think he may have....b) What you WANT them to do with these hands, and c) what you in turn are going to do in reaction to each of the things they could do (obv you dont need to plan if they fold, you can re-asses if they just call, allthough think about why they are calling, and wether you will be calling, raising or folding if they raise)

The reason people are saying you should just move all-in here is because you have a hand  Th Td, that is significantly ahead of the range of hands this player should open, but we want him to call with hands like  8c 8d and 7s 7h, but we want him to fold hands like  Kh Jd and Qc Js. Also he will fold a lot of the time and we will win what's in the pot (fold equity = the added value of a play when we win the pot without showing our hand down)

without babbling on for paragraphs just really try and plan out every move before you make it. dont make a move purely to re-act to the outcome, think about how players will react and plan accordingly, even if you're reasons behind the plans are wrong initially, they will soon improve with experience and coupled with good application you'll find miles improvement.

GL

I get what people are saying about "the tanking" here, for reference this was a tour main event 57k pool, 18k to the winner, 6 handed, if I fold and keep the 10 big blinds, I stay actually 4th in chips as two reasonably short players, part of me is considering laddering (bad I know but I aint ballin), what can he want them all in with which my 10s are in shape again?  My game plan, however flawed was to make a lower than all in raise to show strength, did he want to get involved with one of the other big stacks? I was confident that bet could get rid of a lot of his range, when he reshoved I admit I bottled my original plan a bit as the prizes were just off considerably upping! which is why I went thinking!  I didnt like how I played the hand which is why I asked the question and it appears the answer is shove pre and the outcome is indeed the same...so thank you.

 must be rich or freerolled into this game after saying the guy opened with a 3bet then asking should you be putting 20bbs in with tens

i think you need to reread dave's post, which was good btw

A 3-bet isn't 3x big blinds, it's the third bet.

+1


It's pretty important to realise that what the outcome would've been is irrelevant when attempting to make the correct decision at the time.

E.G. You flat and the board comes T23 and you win the pot on the flop, is a far better outcome than you shoving, getting it in pre and the board running T2345. But this doesn't make shoving the worst decision. To be able to properly think about the game you need to completely change your mindset in this regard imo.

With 18 bbs and an open in front of you you should only have two options in your head: Shove or Fold. It's a pretty basic situation in tournament poker that shouldn't require too much thought.

With regards to the AK shove: I get it in here approx. 100% of the time.He didn't "overplay a big ace". 1 hand crushes his hand, 1 hand beats us 70% of the time and he is at worst flipping with the rest of the entire deck.

Once you've put the 80k in I'm never folding

Just need to be more clear about our objective from the off set in this hand in my opinion, if you say you're main aim is to ladder + you dont want to get  Th Td in preflop vs this player then folding is a better option than 3betting and folding (because that protects our stack - as shamefully nitty as that is)

If you think this a spot where you have to get it in, then think about how you can exploit your opponent at the times he has weaker hands - cos every so often he'll have  Ahrt Ac and  Kh Kc and ofc he's never folding, so it doesn't matter how we play vs these hands, think about hands that we're in good shape against that he can have and how best to make him go all in with those hands

Either option is viable imo as long as you decide beforehand, then act accordingly - its just a disaster to make a play at this stage of a tourney then half way through stop and make these big decisions, we should have decided before we put a chip into the pot + this applies to £5 freeze outs with £15 ladders and the WSOP main event imo.

why does not knowing technical terms such as 3bet make you a bad player?

It doesn't but surely you'd agree there's a fairly massive correlation between the two

ofc, but random live pros always get all teh moniez.

I thank you for your input, both your posts are exactly the reason I posted this.  For sensible thought out answers that I can use to help figure exactly as I thought how I had thought and played this hand badly! a lot more useful than buy a book and how did you get in this tournament in the first place! 

You also say if u fold and leave yourself with 10bb then u can ladder a couple of spots as you are still in 4th position. well (i know it could be quite hard to do) maybe you should think more along the lines of "if i win this flip then im chip leader, and have an extremely good chance of winning the whole event." IMO this is a much more +ev way to think of it due to the very top heavy pay out structures. The risk is worth the reward,IMO