Title: Bad pre flop shove?? Post by: Autobetkev on November 04, 2010, 12:01:36 AM Ok, hand that caused a bit of a stir, I'd like your opinions on please. I have my views, but will try to remain neutral for discussion purposes.
Local £30 headhunter. General standard is, as you'd expect fairly tez. Blinds 300/600 (15 mins left at this level). Player A (cut-off +1) raises to 1600 (stack 12.5k), player B (cut-off) re-pops to 5k (stack 18.5k), folded back to Player A who shoves with 8c 8d and get called by Ahrt Qd. A little history between the players. previous level Player A raised (early pos), player B states that he folded Ad Jc. Player B is also quite vociferous in his criticisms at the table and is seen as quite agressive. Player A is also known for overplaying marginal hands. Sorry about the rambling, but feel the info is important. One question, what do you think of thew pre flop shove by player A??? Title: Re: Bad pre flop shove?? Post by: MC on November 04, 2010, 12:06:30 AM Ok, hand that caused a bit of a stir ^Really? Pretty standard spot. Eights could fold to 3-bet if the cut-off is tight I guess, but as you've said he's not, looks fine to me... Cutoff+1 is the Hijack btw Title: Re: Bad pre flop shove?? Post by: gatso on November 04, 2010, 12:36:53 AM Ok, hand that caused a bit of a stir ^Really? Pretty standard spot. Eights could fold to 3-bet if the cut-off is tight I guess, but as you've said he's not, looks fine to me... Cutoff+1 is the Hijack btw cutoff -1 is the hijack cutoff +1 is the button so according to op the button is acting before the cutoff. I can only assume that this is what caused a stir as the rest looks standard Title: Re: Bad pre flop shove?? Post by: action man on November 04, 2010, 04:21:56 AM arrrrrrrrg i know its not your fault or anyone else's but live hand histories tilt the absolute life out of me.
Title: Re: Bad pre flop shove?? Post by: DMorgan on November 04, 2010, 12:40:37 PM arrrrrrrrg i know its not your fault or anyone else's but live hand histories tilt the absolute life out of me. +1 Title: Re: Bad pre flop shove?? Post by: stato_1 on November 04, 2010, 04:15:06 PM General standard is, as you'd expect fairly tez. Standard of this hand actually seems strangely high for a random £30 headhunter Title: Re: Bad pre flop shove?? Post by: sligboi on November 04, 2010, 08:08:19 PM Player A's shove gets most hands he's racing with to fold.
Obv we don't like putting 2/3 of our stack in with AQ but when we're asking to put 5k into 18.4k against a player I have history with I'm never folding. Title: Re: Bad pre flop shove?? Post by: SuuPRlim on November 04, 2010, 10:48:47 PM Player A's shove gets most hands he's racing with to fold. Obv we don't like putting 2/3 of our stack in with AQ but when we're asking to put 5k into 18.4k against a player I have history with I'm never folding. Personally I disagree that Player B is EVER folding pre-flop, he will be left to call 7.5k into about 7.5k after already raising ~30% of his stack So as long as player B is 3bet calling wide enough then it's fine - as Mr. Atkin says id have no problem folding 8d 8c here vs a lot of live guys. Title: Re: Bad pre flop shove?? Post by: sligboi on November 05, 2010, 04:01:19 AM Player A's shove gets most hands he's racing with to fold. Obv we don't like putting 2/3 of our stack in with AQ but when we're asking to put 5k into 18.4k against a player I have history with I'm never folding. Personally I disagree that Player B is EVER folding pre-flop, he will be left to call 7.5k into about 7.5k after already raising ~30% of his stack So as long as player B is 3bet calling wide enough then it's fine - as Mr. Atkin says id have no problem folding 8d 8c here vs a lot of live guys. What I meant was that I don't like putting 2/3 of my stack in with Ac Qd but as we are putting 7.5k into 18.4k I can't fold against any aggressive player's range. Yeah maybe in a live tourney with no history I can fold the 8c 8d but against a player who we have antagonised I am probably never folding this shallow. Title: Re: Bad pre flop shove?? Post by: SuuPRlim on November 05, 2010, 04:55:54 AM What I meant was that I don't like putting 2/3 of my stack in with Ac Qd but as we are putting 7.5k into 18.4k I can't fold against any aggressive player's range. yh, pretty much this sums it up imo Title: Re: Bad pre flop shove?? Post by: George2Loose on November 05, 2010, 04:29:47 PM ok basically the heated argument was with me.
Kev has AQ and villian had 8s. Kev came up saying villian had played hand awful. I said it was standard. Title: Re: Bad pre flop shove?? Post by: The Camel on November 05, 2010, 04:36:17 PM ok basically the heated argument was with me. Kev has AQ and villian had 8s. Kev came up saying villian had played hand awful. I said it was standard. I assume the 88 held. Title: Re: Bad pre flop shove?? Post by: George2Loose on November 05, 2010, 04:45:06 PM ok basically the heated argument was with me. Kev has AQ and villian had 8s. Kev came up saying villian had played hand awful. I said it was standard. I assume the 88 held. Exactly |