Title: What is a decent ROI% ? Post by: edy g on December 27, 2005, 01:54:10 AM Hi,i was just wondering what you consider to be a good roi % for your sng's.
Title: Re: What is a decent ROI% ? Post by: MPOWER on December 27, 2005, 02:09:19 AM 75% of the time to cash in either 10 or 6 seat.
Ariston writes a nice bit on STT for betfair well worth a read. Title: Re: What is a decent ROI% ? Post by: Colchester Kev on December 27, 2005, 02:12:26 AM Ed, who is that wally in the middle of those 2 lovelies ? :D
Title: Re: What is a decent ROI% ? Post by: edy g on December 27, 2005, 02:19:32 AM you must be seeing double kev,there's only one lovely......anyway whats ur roi?
Title: Re: What is a decent ROI% ? Post by: Royal Flush on December 27, 2005, 02:23:47 AM depends how many you play at once, 25 is pretty good.
Title: Re: What is a decent ROI% ? Post by: Colchester Kev on December 27, 2005, 02:36:51 AM my ROI depends on my benefactors doing well on the circuit ;)
as for online ... if i have more in my account at the end of the month than the beginning, it is not a ROI its a bloody miracle :D As for the piccy, how much did you have to pay those girlies ? and how are you coping since C&A have ceased trading ? ;) Title: Re: What is a decent ROI% ? Post by: edy g on December 27, 2005, 02:46:49 AM you should have gone to specsavers thats abit of armani not bleedin c&a............on a serious note ive had it on good authority they can be yours for a monkey a piece all night.
Title: Re: What is a decent ROI% ? Post by: Colchester Kev on December 27, 2005, 02:48:37 AM Well good job i live near enough to nip down to Colchester zoo and rustle a couple of monkeys :)
Title: Re: What is a decent ROI% ? Post by: edy g on December 27, 2005, 02:52:24 AM also on good authority the dark one can be mistakenfora monkey downstairs...which is nice.A NON :blonde:
Title: Re: What is a decent ROI% ? Post by: NoflopsHomer on December 27, 2005, 02:56:51 AM I think anything above 20% is pretty good.
Title: Re: What is a decent ROI% ? Post by: Nem on December 27, 2005, 03:09:52 AM I think anything above 20% is pretty good. What about 75% of the time ROI? Title: Re: What is a decent ROI% ? Post by: Royal Flush on December 27, 2005, 03:12:02 AM what do you mean 75% of the time ROI?
Do you mean the ITM rate (in the money)? Title: Re: What is a decent ROI% ? Post by: Nem on December 27, 2005, 03:14:08 AM what do you mean 75% of the time ROI? Do you mean the ITM rate (in the money)? I meant ITM. Title: Re: What is a decent ROI% ? Post by: Royal Flush on December 27, 2005, 03:15:45 AM ITM i have no idea what a good rate is, its not the key factor, ROI is (well aside from $/hr)
You can win 1/3 or comes 3rd 2/3, you got a better ITM but less money. ROI and $/hr are the figures u want to look at for comps, be it Multi table or sng Title: Re: What is a decent ROI% ? Post by: edy g on December 27, 2005, 03:20:16 AM FLUSHY can you let the readers know ur stats........how many a month,which sites,buy ins ,roi's itm's....would be interesting to have a good players stats for folks to compare against.
Title: Re: What is a decent ROI% ? Post by: Gamblor21 on December 27, 2005, 03:28:14 AM He has an ROI of 6-7% its good for a fish!
I am smashed, might see what % i can get... was talking to plunkett tonight what you think of him edd??? i used to play against him no one rated him, big shock arounf here! Title: Re: What is a decent ROI% ? Post by: Royal Flush on December 27, 2005, 03:32:19 AM FLUSHY can you let the readers know ur stats........how many a month,which sites,buy ins ,roi's itm's....would be interesting to have a good players stats for folks to compare against. Why do u want mine then?? I dont really play SNG's at the moment so i cant help!! However over the year i have played 523 $50 sng's on blue square at 25-100$ most at $50 with an ROI of 23% and a ITM of 43% Title: Re: What is a decent ROI% ? Post by: Ironside on December 27, 2005, 03:34:15 AM Well good job i live near enough to nip down to Colchester zoo and rustle a couple of monkeys :) MATT you got a friend i can swap 2 monkeys for 2 lovely ladies and i am in heaven Title: Re: What is a decent ROI% ? Post by: edy g on December 27, 2005, 03:39:38 AM never played against plunkett ian,but reckon he has made a really good start under tough conditions,thanks for that flushy.....night all.
Title: Re: What is a decent ROI% ? Post by: Gamblor21 on December 27, 2005, 03:49:00 AM My mate is very good batsmen, but has gone into investment banking in london! said he would've faced plunkett all day, muppet... got to be impressed with what liam has done tho. as he has succeeded at every level he has played at!
England team missses you ed! the north east is taking over the team... must be the parmos! All poker now, you'll have to pop up at the next one day match, we'll have a good drink and show durham how its done! Title: Re: What is a decent ROI% ? Post by: 12barblues on December 27, 2005, 08:39:29 AM 75% of the time to cash in either 10 or 6 seat. No chance. Title: Re: What is a decent ROI% ? Post by: matt674 on December 27, 2005, 09:01:18 AM you should have gone to specsavers thats abit of armani not bleedin c&a............on a serious note ive had it on good authority they can be yours for a monkey a piece all night. Well good job i live near enough to nip down to Colchester zoo and rustle a couple of monkeys :) also on good authority the dark one can be mistakenfora monkey downstairs...which is nice.A NON :blonde: I for one would like to complain about the talk of illegal monkey trading that appears to be going on within this thread!! Remember a monkey is for life not just for christmas...... Title: Re: What is a decent ROI% ? Post by: matt674 on December 27, 2005, 09:03:40 AM Well good job i live near enough to nip down to Colchester zoo and rustle a couple of monkeys :) MATT you got a friend i can swap 2 monkeys for 2 lovely ladies and i am in heaven If i had a couple of good looking female monkeys you think i'd give them to you to swap for good looking humans?? YEAH RIGHT!!! Title: Re: What is a decent ROI% ? Post by: Nem on December 27, 2005, 09:46:20 AM 75% of the time to cash in either 10 or 6 seat. No chance. How many STT is Jaganelli talking about? 75% of 10 STT's or 75% of 1000 STT's Title: Re: What is a decent ROI% ? Post by: byronkincaid on December 27, 2005, 09:51:37 AM It obviously depends on what level you're playing but many people don't realise the varience involved. I have had 2 1000 sng break even runs. I am definitely not the world's best sng player but it's so easy to play a thousand have 30% ROI and think you're the greatest player in the world and that this is the easiest money ever. You really need to play about 10,000 IMO to have a clue. A couple of years ago it was a lot easier than it is now, there were a lot more idiots playing. The best sng players in the world now are only claiming long term 20% or slightly better. I personally am delighted with 10%. All these people (not on here but in general) who saying yeah 20% is so easy should be playing 1000 $215's a month and earning $43K a month while the going is still so good.
Title: Re: What is a decent ROI% ? Post by: MPOWER on December 27, 2005, 10:06:13 AM 75% of the time to cash in either 10 or 6 seat. No chance. How many STTĀ is Jaganelli talking about? 75% of 10 STT's or 75% of 1000 STT's I've only ever played 4 Title: Re: What is a decent ROI% ? Post by: thetank on December 27, 2005, 01:08:22 PM Over 30% should be attainable at low limit sit n go's.
If you have over 30% ROI the variance won't be that big (25 buy-ins will be an adequate bankroll), it is for this reason low limit sit n go's are ideal for building a bankroll. I expect 10-15% at the moment from my efforts at middle limit sit n go's. If I played one at a time I'd expect 20%+. Title: Re: What is a decent ROI% ? Post by: Nem on December 27, 2005, 01:33:38 PM 75% of the time to cash in either 10 or 6 seat. How many STT is Jaganelli talking about? 75% of 10 STT's or 75% of 1000 STT'sLOL Title: Re: What is a decent ROI% ? Post by: tikay on December 27, 2005, 03:20:37 PM Beware Variance!
I don't play much online these days, time pressures, but in 2005 I lived online, this was pre-blonde, I played exclusively $500 & $1,000 SNG's on Stars, though I started in $100's & $200's. I ran up nothing to $27,000 - thought I was the dogs whastsits, but then it dropped back to $8,000, I managed to drop $19,000 in 2 months! As it happened, blonde came along, I never got time to play much online, & I have commercial reasons to play elsewhere these days, so I cashed out. But thats variance. The lesson is you MUSt take your ROI over a LONG period, and you need a hefty bankroll & big cahoonas to cope with adverse swings. Or the intelligence to cash out at the top of the graph, but greed prevents that usually..... Title: Re: What is a decent ROI% ? Post by: Royal Flush on December 27, 2005, 03:36:23 PM A friend of mine, some might know him from VC or Boards.ie (HectorJelly) played a stupid amount of these over the course of a few months and his stats were quite amazing, now he is quite some player and if he had those swings the average players would be crazy. Like byron said 500 run loss is not unlikely!
So if you were to play say 1 or 2 sng's 5 times a week, say 30 in a month you could go 2 years losing but still be a winning player at that level! Title: Re: What is a decent ROI% ? Post by: TheJagster on December 27, 2005, 03:51:21 PM So if you were to play say 1 or 2 sng's 5 times a week, say 30 in a month you could go 2 years losing but still be a winning player at that level! errrrrrrrrrrrr wot Title: Re: What is a decent ROI% ? Post by: Royal Flush on December 27, 2005, 04:02:38 PM over 10 years you would win, but over a whole 2 year period you could lose!
Title: Re: What is a decent ROI% ? Post by: TheJagster on December 27, 2005, 04:20:05 PM Yes you're right there...........if you won $1,000,000 and then lost $999,999 youl'd still be a winner!
:D Title: Re: What is a decent ROI% ? Post by: ifm on December 27, 2005, 04:27:47 PM A friend of mine, some might know him from VC or Boards.ie (HectorJelly) played a stupid amount of these over the course of a few months and his stats were quite amazing, now he is quite some player and if he had those swings the average players would be crazy. Like byron said 500 run loss is not unlikely! So if you were to play say 1 or 2 sng's 5 times a week, say 30 in a month you could go 2 years losing but still be a winning player at that level! Oddly i have just finished reading his blog, haven't looked at in a long long time but i have always enjoyed it. I have also played many, many sng's with him in the past and agree he knows his stuff, small world huh? Title: Re: What is a decent ROI% ? Post by: Hollywood on December 27, 2005, 08:14:37 PM I played SNGs almost exclusively between July and October of this year logging several thousands. If you use Party or Stars, there is a program called SNG Tracker which logs all your SNGs and makes all sorts of nifty graphs.
I played 8-10 at a time at the $33 and $55 level. I don't remember the results for each level, but the cumulative was something like 38% ITM, 18% ROI. I have a hyper aggressive bubble strategy so I won like 15% of all games, but actually had more 4ths than 3rds...i still think the math works out in my favor. Best of all, each SNG averages only 34 minutes for me, so your hourly rate can really become something pretty decent. E Title: Re: What is a decent ROI% ? Post by: The Nomad on December 28, 2005, 02:02:21 AM 2 plus 2 go into this with all sorts of figures and stats makes interesting reading if u dont know what you should be comparing your game to . the amount of games you play at one time and the level you play at and what sites
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