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0.50/1 at gala nottingham. straddle, i open to £11 utg with  Ahrt Th, MP flats. SB short stack pushes for £13 total (yes £13). Straddle calls, I call, MP calls. MP is chinese gambler. An hour previously he tried to bluff me off bottom pair then when I called him down he made some comment about it being hard to bluff me or something (obv, i dont fold).

I bet £16 on a  Qh 3s  4h flop, trying to build a side pot for when i bink and to iso vs the allinshortie. MP and straddle both call. Turn is a  9d, straddle checks, I bet £34. Mr Chinese man calls, straddler folds. River comes a  Tc. I figure if MP has a Q (i thought likely) then he won't fold, and I now have the best hand if he has a smaller pair. I check. He nonchalantly chucks in £25.

I think I can't possibly be good here, with the history, the betsize. the side pot etc, this must be at least a Q and Im getting value towned. Despite the great price, I tanked and folded. He flips over 62o. Sigh.

The SB who was allin goes to muck his hand. Everyone's like nononono dont muck he has 6 high. The guy turns over 52o. Mr Chinese scoops both pots....

Amazing. How do you like my line on the flop, turn and river?

I can't find a fold for £25 into £168 after the river, thats for sure, history or not. 

(next time post without the reveal, its more intriguing!)

lol

Bet more on flop, perhaps check turn, call river...

£16 into £49 just aint right and is probs where this hand gets all bizarre. Make it £30.

As played defo call river, he has 6 high ffs! Plus your getting some nice odds!

How much you got behind on river? Shove?

£11 UTG even allowing for the straddle?

Seems about right for a splish sploshy Gala game

Too small even. Nothing wrong with opening for £25 if they're still calling worse.

I like the flop bet sizing, we have the nut draw we don't want to bet £30 or whatever people are saying because we don't want to people to fold their draws, we want to get more money in the pot when we have good equity.

I don't see why you bet the turn, leaves you open to getting shoved on and clearly these people aren't smart enough to size their bets to price you off a check-call with the nut flush draw. Obv call the river, he could be vbetting worse as well as bluffing, fish can't don't think about how often they get called by worse, most likely here he called flop and turn with a 4 and now you have stopped betting he thinks he is 'probably ahead' and so bets.

meh I want to say I disagree with alot of the above, but he's James Mfkin Keys so I'm staying quiet.

can see the merit of not posting results of course, but in this case the result it what makes the hand so bizarre. but could've left it out for a while to see if anyone could guess that he scooped with 6high i guess!

yeah but if you just say do you call the river (without revealing the 6 high)? and you are getting nearly 7-1, 100% say call, that's my point

my thoughts exactly. james, why does betting the turn "leave us open to get shoved on". ideal semi bluff spot no, firing a strong 2nd bullet into 2 players with decent equity if we're called? I dont think this villain is vbetting a 4 (or similar) ever here. He may be bluffing yes, but its just such a shit bluff -  25 in 168 that i levelled myself into thinking that it couldnt be a bluff.

yup a unanimous answer is always nice. ty

Personally I think it was pretty awesome!  ;)

FWIW the disagreing with betting the turn was one of the only things I agreed with. Funny ol game ey.

I agree too.

Think we should be betting more on flop.

I 144% call river.

Stack sizes would really help for all streets though.

Well you've left effective stack size out of the OP but I'm assuming you can't call a shove after you bet, if you can then why are you not shoving yourself? I don't think the sliver of fold equity you get from your 'semi-bluff' is enough to justify the wastage if you end up bet-folding when you have min 20% equity. Having "decent equity when called" isn't in and of itself a reason to bet, your equity probably won't be over the required 33% to make it a good value bet when 2 people call, and you need 50% vs just one caller to make it a good value bet, so imo it's not a good bluff and not a good value bet.

I would only advocate betting more on the flop as long as we don't fold out any hands that would call a smaller bet. I guess flush draws are never folding whatever, but it's nice to keep in worse A-highs and random low gutshots imo, so long as we don't fold to 1/8th pot river bluffs...

Tbf getting 7:1 on the river I'm probs calling with 6 high!

Stack Sizes, can we shove? I dont think he has a nut hand here.

me too

I actually hate the way we've played every street

the only play I like in the whole hand is the 25 river bet which is sheer genius

this hand confuses me. check the turn.

Thoughts on betting £35 to induce on river?

I think pre-flop is fine. I knwo people will be like OH11x WTF, but its low stakes live cash where the conventional/advanced poker theorys have to be put to one side and every hand should be played more or less in a vacuum, unless you have enough good players at the table to warrant otherwise (in all the hours Iv played in games like this in my life Id say that has happened about once)

Again I kinda like the flop bet, Q43 with hearts is not a flop which your going to get many folds on, and its basically a check but boosts the pot nicely, I think peoples calling ranges here are fairly inelastic so betting £30 would still get the same callers but would bloat the flop, after all we have equity but no showdown value so we want to pot control slightly.

Turn I would have almost definatley checked, nothing really has changed so I still dont see anyone folding, and the chances are that at leats one of the others have a better hand atm + again no actual showdown value as of yet, and again everyone is terrible normally so when we bink a heart no-one will even consider folding a queen.

River I am stunned you even considered folding a ten here, if you credit the guy with any inteligance then he surely knows either your hand is a draw or a made hand on the flop (maybe 77 or A5s idk) so if he wants value he'll bet more (either you're calling or you not) and if he's betting ONLY to make you fold hearts he'll bet smaller - if he doesnt expect you to fold a pair. If we say he has no intelligance at all then he has bet £25 itno £150+ and people make really stranmge bets and calls all the time so I just flick it in.

Shoving i dont like because a we rep pretty much TT or QT which vs someone intelligant is far too thin, vs some not intelligant then they are likely to sigh, tank forever, come up with a pretty decent desicion via some horrible thought processes and flick the call in with Q8 - and then we have no idea if we have a better hand than the all-in or not.  

In these games simple for the win imo, if you try to out-think people who are barely thinking then you level yourself far too often, as you did here. and in answer to the thread title, NO, NO HE ISN'T
 :)

its not 11x thought, there was a straddle.

arrh good point
we've not done reading at school yet

it comes inbetween floating and the stop and go, its pretty pointless reall in the poker way of life. Infact its only real reason is to read your fantastic blog.

Dunno stack sizes but hate it.

good post dave. shoving the river or betting 35 to induce i don't like either. He would never fold top pair cos he has the highest pair on the board so it's pointless. Btw sorry didnt mention before, villain is playing about 250-300. We cover. Butchered this one clearly. Shouldve checked the turn and called the river. 

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If you have 62 here ( we have agreed most his range is draws ) and someone bet £35 into £200ish, would you think about raising?

Wat we think is irrelvant because villian in this hand is a chinese man who doesnt know even 10% of the things you know about poker.
HOnestly keeping things simple in these games is alway the best way.

Put yourself in a fishes shoes, do you still just auto fold? If we think that his main holdings are draws then we got to do something to make him spaz no?

nope. he doesnt think anything like you do. high level thinking is useless if you cant relate it to ur opponents

probs chucks it in with bottom 2/3 pairs as everyone ittt thinks its crazy to even contemplate folding on river here and not too much difference between a 4 and a 10, so guessing he always calls 35 but folds 85 with hands like tiny pairs.

this is live cash. its not even poker it's just clueless donks who get two cards and shovel in money hand after hand.

don't level yourself too much.

make hands, get paid.

well said