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Set up:
$30 freezout double stack on line, 230 runners, 8 players left. In terms of a chip stack I am in 6th position.
BB 3000k, SB 1500k, Antes 300

Scenario:
Chip leader with 86k in chips (2nd position), who has been rather agressive, raises to 9000k, the guy in the 5th position n 65k stack calls, and I being on the BB n getting <3:1 pot adds n with a good speculative hand ( 9h Jh) decide to call too.

Flop:  8h  6s  9s
Pot: 30,900k

What would you do? Would u call pre-flop?

Where is chipleader raising from, where is the guy in 5th posn calling from, how many chips do you have?

raise is from utg+1, call is from mp, ldo

OP your own stack would be nice to include. I think it's a fold pre whatever you have tho. Now you're check-shoving, or open shoving if you can.

raise is from utg+1, call is from mp, ldo

my stack pre flop is 43k

Whats your stack size? Prizejumps too pls.

My stack after posting BB is 40K

payout structure as far as i remember:

1 - $1650
2 - $1100
3 - £900
4 - £690
5 - $420
6 - $270
7 - $190
8 - $160

Fold>jam>call
Pre

On the flop now I think u have to jam

Value in coming 3rd there

Sigh, I got confused cos he was using "chip position" originally.

Defo fold pre based on your stack, shoving might have been an option, calling isn't really.

Fold pre. As played jam flop

lol

the payout structure is not 100% accurate, its just what i can remember...i dont think there is such a big leap between 3rd n 4th places...:)

woah and you have 40k? with a 3000k BB? tough to win this one imo.
with 13bigs "speculative hands" have little or no value. you should never be calling preflop (though i have trouble folding these hands in tourneys cos im a donkey cash player)

so as said before, defo fold pre, i dont think shove, you have vlittle fold equity vs chip leader. as played id be check shoving this flop.

thanks for all replys guys, much appreciated. looking back, I should have def folded preflop, and stayed out of trouble. lesson learnt:)

im sure you could jam pre-flop if you felt like

a) the opener is opening lots of hands that he cant call your shove with
b) your imagine was snug enough to make hands like QJ JT etc

your stack is a large % of his so idk if that works in your favour or not here - but your gonna have 30%+ most of the time ur called.

don't think it'd be good advice to advise 3b squeeze bluff shoving 13bbs vs an utg+1 3x and mp peel. very optimistic to think you can get it through both here without a good read on both...

yh I didnt really read the OP properly - also I thought this was live lol
FAIL ignore me

people live call far too tight in situations like this, basically because people shove too thinly. Has the original raiser always 3x'd throughout the tournie? Or has he been min raising too?

its an ONLINE TOUURRRNNEEEEY pleno. I made the same mistake. sigh@us

lol

I think he meant 80% of the time he raised he raises to 3x BB.

If his PFR is 80% then  Jh 9h is a fistpump shove no?

sorry for the confusion, yes thats what i meant - 80% of the time he raised he raises to 3x BB.

well have you seen what he's raised with the other 20% of the time, or any of the time really, this is pretty crucial.

yes, the rest 20% of the times it was between 2 - 2.5bb 

nooo, has he shown anything down for you to assume he is raising good hands with 1 and weak hands with another?

the answer to above is not really.

rightio.