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Title: puzzle this
Post by: china mug on November 30, 2010, 11:59:57 AM
solve this in under 3 mins ure a awsome fountain of poker knowledge whos very shaddow has other players twitching in there seats lest you sit at there table.
solve this in over 3 mins youve got too much time to waste.

1/heads up hold em poker hand last card to be dealt on the flop you are behind to your opponients hand,you can dictate what both hands are and what the four cards on the flop are ......what is the maximum number of outs your hand can have to win when the last card is dealt....
examples req not just number

2/if you are the only one in a room ,is it still lovemaking.
examples not required.
                                                                                                       3/whats the best way to commit suacide .

jump of a very tall building if you change your mind halfway down ,youve got the other half to change it back again.


Title: Re: puzzle this
Post by: david3103 on November 30, 2010, 12:37:14 PM
21 outs?

2 overcards plus flush and straight draw vs pair?

or is that too obvious?


Title: Re: puzzle this
Post by: paulhouk03 on November 30, 2010, 12:53:39 PM
21 outs?

2 overcards plus flush and straight draw vs pair?

or is that too obvious?

jq dd vs 22 on a 9t9dd 5

26?
3xj
3xq
9 diamonds
3 tens
2x5
3 8
3 kings


Title: Re: puzzle this
Post by: rex008 on November 30, 2010, 02:34:33 PM
21 outs?

2 overcards plus flush and straight draw vs pair?

or is that too obvious?

jq dd vs 22 on a 9t9dd 5

265?
3xj
3xq
98 diamonds - either he has 2d, or 2d gives him FH
3 tens
2x5
3 8
3 kings

I think...

Anyway, this gives me a good opportunity for a rant. In a cash hand at DTD recently, I called £7 into a £30 pot on a flush draw with 1 card to come. I got accused of being a fish when I made it. I answered that I'd worked out that I was getting odds to call (9/46 > 7/37, even with no implied odds). Then I got accused of making that up, and there was no way I'd worked out the odds. Is it really so rare to actually consider pot odds when making this call? I got absolutely berated for saying it. I was quite surprised.


Title: Re: puzzle this
Post by: paulhouk03 on November 30, 2010, 02:51:24 PM
yeah sorry 25


Title: Re: puzzle this
Post by: TightEnd on November 30, 2010, 02:52:40 PM
21 outs?

2 overcards plus flush and straight draw vs pair?

or is that too obvious?

jq dd vs 22 on a 9t9dd 5

265?
3xj
3xq
98 diamonds - either he has 2d, or 2d gives him FH
3 tens
2x5
3 8
3 kings

I think...

Anyway, this gives me a good opportunity for a rant. In a cash hand at DTD recently, I called £7 into a £30 pot on a flush draw with 1 card to come. I got accused of being a fish when I made it. I answered that I'd worked out that I was getting odds to call (9/46 > 7/37, even with no implied odds). Then I got accused of making that up, and there was no way I'd worked out the odds. Is it really so rare to actually consider pot odds when making this call? I got absolutely berated for saying it. I was quite surprised.

not rare, but probably rare in some DTD Cash games lol!


Title: Re: puzzle this
Post by: gatso on November 30, 2010, 02:56:48 PM
rare in any live cash game that I've seen


Title: Re: puzzle this
Post by: nirvana on November 30, 2010, 06:26:48 PM
I've got the answer to 3 but will hold back


Title: Re: puzzle this
Post by: Claw75 on November 30, 2010, 06:35:40 PM
I'm not playing out of principle.  Tom keeps putting up these really interesting puzzles but then never gives us the answer.  I'm still waiting to see if a hill fort is the highest structure you can build with 15 poker chips.  I don't like to be kept hanging goddamit.


Title: Re: puzzle this
Post by: china mug on December 06, 2010, 01:06:56 AM
27 outs is the answer,flop example 9d, 9h, Td, 5s,  you have  Jd, Qd, opponient has  2c 2h


if answers to previouse puzzles are required just post here which ones and i will reply


Title: Re: puzzle this
Post by: gatso on December 06, 2010, 01:11:37 AM
I don't make that 27 outs but then I'm a bit pissed 9xd, 3x8, 3xk, 3xj, 3xq, 3xt, 2x5=26

what am I missing


Title: Re: puzzle this
Post by: china mug on December 06, 2010, 01:41:28 AM
my mistake ,  9d, 9h, Td, 5d, you have  Jd, Qc, opponent has  2c 2h
27 outs


Title: Re: puzzle this
Post by: gatso on December 06, 2010, 02:06:57 AM
still got 26. 9xd, 3x8, 3xk, 3xj, 2xq, 3xt, 3x5


Title: Re: puzzle this
Post by: rex008 on December 06, 2010, 08:57:40 AM
still got 26. 9xd, 3x8, 3xk, 3xj, 2xq, 3xt, 3x5

8xd - 2d is not an out. But then I've already said that, so I don't expect anyone to listen to me the second time either  ::)


Title: Re: puzzle this
Post by: kinboshi on December 06, 2010, 09:43:15 AM

Is the 2d an out?  Anyone?  Surprised no one's mentioned that already :dontask:


Title: Re: puzzle this
Post by: rex008 on December 06, 2010, 10:57:48 AM
 ;snoopy'sguns; ;nemesis; ;frustrated;


Title: Re: puzzle this
Post by: gatso on December 06, 2010, 01:57:38 PM
still got 26. 9xd, 3x8, 3xk, 3xj, 2xq, 3xt, 3x5

8xd - 2d is not an out. But then I've already said that, so I don't expect anyone to listen to me the second time either  ::)

in my defence I did point out that I was pissed. so 25 then?


Title: Re: puzzle this
Post by: Lucky on December 06, 2010, 06:38:51 PM

I don't like to be kept hanging goddamit.


Are you answering the suicide question?


Title: Re: puzzle this
Post by: Claw75 on December 06, 2010, 06:54:32 PM

I don't like to be kept hanging goddamit.


Are you answering the suicide question?

lol - the pun wasn't intended, but I did notice it before hitting 'post'  considered amending it, but couldn't be arsed, then considered referencing it, but thought that would be in poor taste, so went with third option of 'hopefully no one will notice' ::)


Title: Re: puzzle this
Post by: china mug on December 15, 2010, 09:58:21 AM
ok as no one has got the answer i guess ill have to tell you ,it is 27 outs, there is one out that you are all missing because of the way yo see the problem , still to be kind as its xmas ill post the answer in a day or so before xmas


Title: Re: puzzle this
Post by: rex008 on December 15, 2010, 12:50:46 PM
I've changed my mind. You're all wrong. It's 21 outs.

There are 44 unknown cards left, you can't be "behind to your opponent" if you're equal or more likely to win than he is. So 21 is the max number of outs you can have and still be behind.