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So Mike Ashley hasn't made a ludicrous decision for 18 months and then.....


wtf?

what is this all about, done a great job

Wow

Done an alright job. Don't see what the fuss was about getting him a new contract. Made no sense.
Wouldn't have sacked him but wouldn't have given him a new contract and give him until later in the season and see if a change is needed.
Please be Keegan.

wtf? Stabilised the club completely, got the best out of our players who struggled off the pitch, Barton/Carroll etc. Beat the scum 5-1, drew with Chelsea, beat Arenal away, god run in league cup, cruised the league last year, made some excellent signings Williamson for example.


Done all of this without much financial backing, 5-10 of his best players been removed from his squad and on a part time coaches wage. Feel absolutely gutted for the bloke he was an assistant manager for 10+ years and waited patiently for his chance, massive, massive kick in the bollocks.

And Keegan? Pleaseeeeeeee GTFO.

Please not Curbishly/Pardew etc.

Alan Pardew 5/4 fav. lol

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/newcastle-specials/next-permanent-manager

I don't get it.

Tactically he has got us wins against Arsenal/Chelsea
All the players love him
The fans love him
He hasn't spent money

how do these 2 ever get in the same sentence?

def won't be curbs anyway as he will never take a job that's not commutable from essex. surely you won't be stupid enough to give it to pardew

And you can keep your filthy mitts off Wee Billy Davies!

Supposedly Ashley wants to sell Carroll and HUghton kicked up a fuss.

Maradona is the perfect choice. Couple of Argentinian's there already.
Mental manager. Mental club.

fuckssssssssssss sake

I was gona back him at 5/1 a couple of months back. Then he went to 14s after beating Sunderland 5-1 and i thought about getting involved and Rich was like "lol Avram Grant obv" so i didn't

I think Newcastle were going down with him in charge (slowly), good decision to act now before they are in the bottom 3 imo, got to be ruthless

Got to be Shearer or Keegan next.

Gary megson please

Whats the thoughts on Martin O'Neil, Would he even take it if offered it?

You can get 50/1 on Keegan!!!

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Gullit for my money.

He would be the obvious choice but can't see him working for Ashley

wtf?

Possibly holding out if Mancini gets sacked also.

Terrible sacking, what exactly did the board expect from a newly promoted side, Newcastle were having a great season imo. You would have thought that year in the Championship would have given them a bit of perspective.

lol - wp NUFC

next year the new manager will be expected to win the title.

Chris coleman maybe. John gregory perhaps

I'm just a man of the people mate.

The people all want to see one of Newcastles own back in charge.

No we don't lol.

Stop it Rich!

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Bryan Robson & Venables ftw.

Ian Rush?

Will ChipRich try and get a shrewd fiver on Sir Bobby Robson?

Strachen

sigh

Ridic decision, and for that I'm going for the equally ridic Keegan or Strachen

More chance of Gazza than Shearer or Keegan

Utter disbelief. Even by Newcastle standards this is a horrendously non-sensical decision.

Gazza and Jimmy Five Bellies. Rename the Gallowgate End the Raol Moat Stand.

ROFL agreed mentioning them together is so lol..Pardew would be great pls! he would go in and instantly piss off  3/4 of the people

Keegan at 50/1 does look like incred value.

Awful decision, was watching the Ashes highlights and they had a strap line of Premiership manager sacked along the bottom. Before turning to Sky sports News I tried to think who it would be (Grant and Ancelotti were my guesses), was stunned when it was Hughton.

I am off to check the odds to make sure Lambert isn't in the running.

He's a bottle job, walked away from club already, twice. Fans def don't want him here. I think MON is most likely tbh.

Sigh about 5th favourite, the pitfuls of having a good young manager.

well at least they stated they wanted someone with prem experience in management. So no chance of them getting Lambert

From Twitter - LOL

Newcastle announce they're appointing Chris Hughton as caretaker manager while they seek a successor to Chris Hughton.

from facebook

CHANGE YOUR PROFILE PIC TO A PIC OF CHRIS HUGHTON AND STOP ALL BAD THINGS< EVER!

<  Pie the nspcc, get Chrissy as your prof pic if you've got any patter/common sense

Seriously, Why would Martin O'Neil want to go to Newcastle?  Wasnt the problem with Villa and the board going to be 10x worse at Newcastle?

Betting suspended on Pards.

Andy Carrolls BBM status: "Scandalous, fuck me"

2.18 on betfair still

Would seem a stunning choice, hes worse then Hughton.

Martin O'Neil and Paul Lambert would be great choices, Pardew or any ex Newcastle player such as Stone, Lee Clark, Beardsley would probably end in disaster

Comedy to see Joe Kinnear and Keegan attracting some market support.

pls dont say its true

BH - No way we would've gone down with Hughton we would've got the points with him there.

If it's Pardew there'll be hell on,the mans a clown just like our Chairman.

What is BBM Pleno ?

Blackberry Messenger. I don't see why people think we wouldn't get points with Hughton, he masterminded some awesome performances.

GTFO Pardew, if he comes in so many people will boycott the club.

I'm a 100% certain we would've stayed up.Now who knows,it can't be Pardew surely he isn't that much of an idiot,oh wait...

He's 50/1.

Newcastle are a joke club.

50/1 about a joke club making a joke decision seems pretty good value to me.

Dennis Wise.
Pardew.
Venables.

Any cockney just to delight the fans lol.

Seriously could Hughton have done much more? He walks away with his head held high I reckon Ashley only bought the club to keep winding up the fans!

Pretty much this, can you not remember the soap opera that was the 08/09 season Pleno? Silly things happen to Newcastle Football Club.

I havent seen Sky Sports News yet but I assume when I turn it on it will cut to a bunch of geordies in the street saying either shearer, keegan or mourinio for the job.

Hope Newcastle get relegated. Gtfo

Sure cba with another ridic Blonde thread with everyone revelling in Newcastle fans disappointment,enjoy.

Paul Gascoigne is 250/1 for the job. Still awaiting odds on Neil Tennant, Michael from I'm Alan Partridge, the Nutrigrain horse, Raoul Moat's ghost and Huffty.

Ashley tried to win the fans over by bringing Keegan in. [ ] Went well. He doesn't give a fuck about the fans and even if he did try to please them he wouldn't bring Keegan back, he walked out on the club and told all the press how Ashley was scum etc, no way would Keegan ever take the job. Mirrion/1.

 See above for Shearer.

pardew is the biggest dick in football.

qft, newcastle is going to go abs wild.

Newcastle United Football Club can confirm that Peter Beardsley will be in charge of team affairs with immediate effect, following Chris Hughton's departure from the club today.

I can think of 91 and that's without dipping into non league

rofl

They should appoint Mondatoo imo.

Pleno - how do you have Carroll's bbm?

I wrote it wrong because im a joke like newcastle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZixaQA5CGw

dumbest decision this season by a country mile

Abs redic decision!

This thread should be in BoB already!

Ashley deserves to have his team and new found value go down again for this!

I however, really like nctle, and hope they get get in a decent manager and survive!

WTF.

Sigh.

I was only saying recently it's nice to have a season where other teams are making the headlines and we've just been quiet and getting on with it (Carroll court think exception obv).

And now this. Again though... WTF.

 I thought that was Dion Dublin?

Maybe Jack Charlton - he says 'wor' a lot

This implies we DON'T have someone lined up for the job. WTF is going on

Jol quits Ajax....

Hate the decision to fire Hughton but, tbf, Jol would be a good replacement if its to be him

Needs more love

Mike Ashley?

Why do club owners insist on meddling when everything is ticking along nicely? Newcastle could very quickly find themselves in a relegation struggle after a solid start to the season. Roman Abramovich is another that should learn not to interfere after getting shot of Ray Wilkins, not saying it's the only factor but clear things are not well at Chelsea since then.

Some real fuckwit managers and joke appointments are being linked with the job, the Newcastle fans deserve better and so did Chris Hughton.

hmmmm Jol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8pE08FmXBA&feature=player_embedded

lol, brilliant.

who should get fired?
Joey barton

so funny

I'd rather have Hughton as manager than Jol and I've never been a massive Hughton fan but neither have I of Jol.Really am still baffled by this,makes absolutely no sense at all.

LOL at the vid,ROFL at the "you've lost so many times" part.

LMAO....as a Boro fan this decision makes me ridiculously happy.  It is only a matter of time before they start calling for fat Freddie to save the club.  I remember all the chants of "sack the board"....be careful what you wish for boys!!!

What a joke

Newcastle fans don't deserve it, but ashley deserves the club going down..

Freddy Shephard was a terrible chairman,that isn't debatable.It just so happens that we run that fukn bad we end up with someone even worse.It's a shame Steve Gibson isn't a Newcastle fan and instead has to waste his money on a joke of a club who can't even sell there allocation for a cup final and has a half empty ground every week.GG Boro when he gets sick.

Yeah, but noone gives a fuck about Boro.

This is true and, to be fair, Newcastle are such a big club with so many trophies and such a rich history that their current underperformance means that they really had to have a change of manager so that they can regain their rightful Champions League place.

That'll be why there's not one Newcastle fan on here saying there happy about the sacking then ?

Cba with digs back and forward,you took a shot,I took one back.

 ;popcorn;

"Tottenham Hotspur have added to their strike force with the transfer of Darren Bent who was signed from Charlton Athletic for £16.5 million. Bent, Dimitar Berbatov, Robbie Keane and Jermain Defoe could provide the most potent strike force in the Premier League. Elsewhere, Jol has added young players to his squad, Gareth Bale from Southampton for £5 million, Younes Kaboul from Auxerre for £8 million, Adel Taarabt from Lens and Kevin-Prince Boateng from Hertha Berlin for £6 million."

Some decent signings in his time. Rate all of the above.

I like Jol and think he'd be a good appointment but I think there is always doubt as who was responsible for the signings at Spurs. Not necessarily a bad thing as I think they overpaid for some players but Jol blamed Comoli for the bad signings and Comoli took credit for the good ones.

Also another Spurs connection. Paul Kemsley is good mates with Ashley and he hired Jol at Spurs iirc

I do enjoy playing the new manager markets on betfair. 
My book is currently:

O'Leary + 617.30
Coyle + 497.30
Trapattoni + 221.70
Curbishley + 217.30
McLaren + 107.30
Hoddle + 63.65
Lambert + 57.30
Jol + 29.25
The Field + 17.30
Pardew + 0.27

Would be nice if Pardew would start to drift

shrewd

"looks more like Pardew, Not Jol, for NUFC" according to journo on twitter

Sigh, god i hate us sometimes, such ridiculously rash desicions. die ashley

Not really shocked by this. If Ashley was going to go with Hughton he would have offered him a contract at the start of the season. I can only guess that his relationship with the players was too casual and Ashley didn't like his man-management. Or perhaps sponsorship opportunities were affected by his low profile, but if that is the case I hardly think Pardew remedies that.

Surely he has someone lined up, all signed and sealed?  You don't get rid of Hughton without having the next guy all ready to start, so I would have thought the speculation would have been done and dusted by now.  They could write a film about NUFC, oh they already have...

enjoyed teh thread, some of teh rubs been class.

#martinjol says his friendship with #chrishughton means he is not interested in the #newcastle job. @CaulkinTheTimes

Mine wasn't a rub - I actually quite like Newcastle and having them in the Premiership.  Just think you've had some bonkers owners and it's frustrating for the fans (and I know how that feels).

Text off a good source this morning that Pardew is in Germany atm and will sign a 5 year contract on his return on Fridya.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/9267960.stm

Still available at 1.2 on Betfair though.

yeah stealing money there.

The rodent Pardew, surely not.

Pretty incredible stuff. I could understand it for MON or Jol or a n other big name but Pardew?

I see he's meant to be close mates with Ashley, but I cannot see many footballing reasons for this.

Going to be wild on Saturday.

4bet2induce Patrick Leonard
Alan Pardew? The sam guy who kept Tevez and Mascherano on the bench? The same guy who got sacked from a league 1 club this year? orlyyyyyyyy

from my twittter

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Couple "die hard" fans trying to say get behind Pardew

Patrick Leonard He knows that Ashley has admitted we're a selling club, he knows that he's fucked over 3 respected managers in the past, he knows that Ashley doesn't give a fuck about the fans. He knows he has to do exactly what Ashley sais otherwise he wi...ll get sacked (yes man) Any manager who agrees to a regime like that will never get my backing.. Real managers like O'Neill would never take the job in a million years for the above reasons. Obviously he's unemployed and being offered millions, hard to say no to the job. But I'd rather the fans let him know he's not welcome. Always defended Ashley but it really is time to go now.

Patrick Leonard 5 year plan with Pardew at the relm will result in 30,000 every week watching a team who comes 17th every year and sells our bet assets.... Keegan/Hughton wanted to take the club forward, wanted to keep our best players and wanted to keep expanding. Did you know apart from Man U/Chelsea we're set to make the biggest profit this season. Low wage budget, not much money sent, TV money, fans receipts, this is the way Ashley wants to go, its imperrative he leaves otherwise the club will be internally ruined within 5 years

Patrick Leonard Ashley sold all the players under him, generated millions which were needed IF we didnt get promoted. You get a parachute payment so havn't lost out as we back in a year which you need to do. He's given Hughton no money and if they were "Gr...aham Carr's" signings then that once again shows that Ashley is getting people in instead of Hugton, I'm assuming it will be the same with Pardew. Yes man. Hughton brought stability to the club, changed the "worst chnaging room atmosphere" into perhaps the best in the country, turned Andy Carroll into an international striker from a young lad, changed Barton from a thug to on the verge of an international. The players like him, the fans like him, we've beaten big teams, we've beat Sunderland 5-1 I think he's done everything and more possible to take the club forward.

Patrick Leonard Management qualities because he's brought a dressing room together, I think it's unfair he's had criticism from the press and evidently Ashley that he's just a "coach". They have teams on like 20 these days from phycologists, nutritionists to motivators, he provd he was perfect for the job. Don't get me wrong if Pardew does come and the fans get on his back it will 100% have a negative effect. The protests should 100% happen away from the stadium but I doubt they will.

Reportedly, odds went from 16/1 to 1/2 that Hughton wasgetting the sack on Monday morning. Wonder who pilled the money on.

This is hilarious... Houghton done a fantastic job imo.. destroyed their bitterest enemies and beat Arsenal away and would keep them safely up .... wtf Ashley..you are one stupid fat *****

And Pardew ?  You got to be kidding ?  LOL Newcastle GG

Pretty sure I'm done with football. FUK OFF ASHLEY

pardew 1/3 on betfair still.

Bet you still beat Liverpool this weekend...

I am trying to think of a worse sacking/appointment, I am really struggling.

1.3 is high considering the BBC are reporting that he will sign tomorrow.
I have layed him in the hope that the Pardew story is a smokescreen for someone else coming in that the fans may not be particularly pleased with but compared to pardew they will be fairly happy (Curbishley, McLaren etc).  Also, surely if they have been talking for 10 days everything would have been sorted and he would have been appointed yesterday.
A long shot, but fingers crossed  ;ashamed;

The poor sod who won champions league for Real Madrid then was told GTFO...class

Mourinho/Grant has to be up there?

The Guardian

Is this the stupidest managerial sacking in recent memory? Instant reaction to the news that nice, honourable, decent Chris Hughton has been sacked by Newcastle has tended to centre on the they-shot-Bambi angle. There is another side, though. He was also successful Chris Hughton. Champions of the Football League in May, Newcastle have been a sprightly presence in the Premier League. Six weeks ago they outplayed West Ham at Upton Park. Five weeks ago they beat Sunderland 5-1. Four weeks ago they won at Arsenal. Last week they drew with the champions. This week – is this really right? – they sacked their manager.

It is the most self-destructive of axings and Newcastle may pay dearly for underestimating their ex-manager's grasp on his players. Hughton's success lay in uniting a potentially volatile bunch: Andy Carroll, beset by legal process and tabloid sting, might have disappeared off the radar this season. Instead, through careful husbandry, he has flourished. Even Joey Barton has for the most part seemed agreeably focused. This has been a tactfully engineered balancing act. Whoever steps in next ... well, good luck with all of that.

Right up until about 2pm this afternoon Newcastle did not look like a club in any imminent danger of sliding down the table into serious relegation trouble. It is hard to be quite so confident now. There is no doubt Mike Ashley is some way short of a footballing oracle, but surely even Ashley would have grasped the truism that sacking your manager in finely-poised mid-season rarely has a positive effect.

There had been indications elsewhere that the mania for aspirational managerial sackings, the twitchy, grass-is-always-greener, sacking-for-sacking's-sake, might have abated. Hughton is the first Premier League sacking of the season, the longest wait for managerial blood since 1995-96. It seems an ignominious thing, not just because Hughton's Newcastle were an engaging team playing to their potential; not just because he is a nice man curating a difficult group of players with an engagingly light touch; but because it provides a reminder of the enduring block-headedness of a certain species of Premier League chairman.

Presumably Mike Ashley has an alternative lined up. There has already been some talk about Martin O'Neill, the usual Alans (Curbishley, Pardew, Shearer) plus – God help him – Frank Rijkaard. The club has indicated it requires more managerial "experience". And perhaps Ashley, rather than simply wanting to stay in the Premier League long enough to sell the club, really has bought into grandiose misconceptions of sleeping giants, massive football clubs, Geordie nations et al and believes 11th in the table, one spot above Liverpool, is underachievement.

O'Neill, already among the favourites, would be a sound appointment for pretty much any club in the Premier League. But it is still hard to see Newcastle finishing this season above where they are now; and even harder to avoid the feeling that a period of careful retrenchment has just been rather mindlessly truncheoned into tiny pieces. Certainly football looks a little bit stupider – not to mention unerringly self-destructive – as of this afternoon.

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Newcastle-chief-Mike-Ashley-will-refuse-to-hand-over-a-big-transfer-budget-to-his-new-manager-but-will-give-him-five-full-seasons-in-charge-of-the-Magpies-article646443.html

ashley's going to give pardew 5 years. you could be non league by the time he leaves

Evening Chronicle polled 1,000 fans over who they wanted as the next manager. Pardew got 14 votes, says it all really.

Big rumours that Klingsmann (sp) is gaffer Pardew assistant

Klinsmann dropped to 6/1 now.

nice life my mates getting 40/1

lol, in your dreams Pleno. Klinnsman is still 14s on the machine, Pardew is 1.25

Arise Sir Alan #2

Klinngsman is coming to save the toon from Pardew. Believeeeee

[   ] much more experience than Hughton
[ x ] German

5/1 on skybet. One time now Pardew, oneeeeeeeeeee time.

28s on Betfair bud, Pardew into 1.17

While i have nothing against Newcastle, it seems a rather amusing decision to bring in a manager whos last managerial showing was failure in League One.

That's why the fans won't accept it. It's common knowledge now that they are good friends from London, the fans hate the "Cockney connections" and have got "cockney mafia out" banners etc, bringing in Pardew will cause huge riots. Ashley must realise this, he can't seriously be this stupid he's rich, successful, ran huge organisations in the past.

Klinsmann would be another bad choice.

Hope that Pardew gets it......gonna be the best entertainment in ages watching the geordies go absolutely crazy over this.  Surely Ashley is not that daft to appoint him?

It just seems absolutely crazy to me.  What has Pardew done in the past 5 years........nothing if my memory serves me right.

http://www.sportingpreview.com/prem_news/10110329.php

Laid Pardew @ 1.2 purely because of Newcastle's propensity of being daft, erratic and mystifying.

rofl, lots of people on facebook have "parder out" in white capitals over a picture of him as their display pic.

Surely that's a reason to back him at 1.2?



All joking aside, and having/having had a series of baffling decisions and stupid Chairmanship at my club, you have my sympathies.

Apparently Mike Ashley and Alan Pardew are good pals and have been spotted together at London casinos many times.

I think Flushthemount was in the wrong casino. (http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=50453.0)

Five-and-a-half year deal!?

Newcastle have only had seven managers in the last 5 and a half years.


Clearly he's going to see out this contract!


Not aimed at Newcastle as such, but so many of these clubs just throw away money, one year rolling contracts is what they should aim at, not sure how Pardew managed to get 5yrs+ he'll never have to work again when he's sacked

Having a few connections with Charlton I got told a fair few stories about Pardew none good tbh. I will ask my uncle if I can leak a few, he might not want me saying lol.

6 seasons with him? wtf. Ashley trying to asset strip the club, slowly over the next 6 seasons will try and recoup what he's lost without putting anything back into the club, will fuck off back to London and we will be royally fucked. Lots of noise up here about mass protesting on Saturday.

Another thing just sprung to mind. Collocini was absolutely awful in his first season under Shearer/Keegan and seemed an absolute flop for 9m. Hughton obviously spent alot of time working with him and he is now a very very good defender. He's turned Andy Carroll from a decent 4th choice striker to England international. Barton, thug/fans booing him every game - fans favourite.

I am absolutely gutted for him and never had so much respect for someone in football. Hope he gets a chance somewhere as he really is better than just an assistant or coach. Ashley, hang your head in shame.

Precisely. And if Ashley wants to sell the club at some point surely he has just devalued it by adding a potential £5m liability to the wage bill?

Very weird signing him on a 5 and half year contract, i dont get it?

Hopefully Shearers agreed to work under Pardew in 2-3 seasons and take over at the end of the 5 years.

Was also good to see a player like Joey Barton turning it around and playing football like the good player he can be. Hope Pardew doesn't spoil that for him.

gl to u Newcastle fans.

No way will Shearer ever ever accept that. He doesn't talk to Ashley. At the end of the season when we got relegated Shearwer told Ashley he wanted to take the team back up and really look for the future and he said he thought the fans would get behind him. Ashley shook his hand and said OK i'll speak to Derek Llambis and get back to you.

[  ] Shearer heard back from Ashley.

Scum.

norrrrrrrr

Also mate, dont be so harsh on yourself. Yeah we know your a bit of a t***, but we know your messing around, no need to call yourself Scum at end of your posts. Pleno will do nicely or ask 'Sandy' for some tips, you won't go too far wrong.

lolol wp

"At the same time I intend to focus on developing exciting young players through the club's excellent Academy and development squad, and I know the board here at St James' Park are very committed to that too."

rofl, translates to..

"Mike doesn't want to buy players, he wants to get young players in and then sell them I will be starting this with Andy Carroll in January"

Scum.

Could try this after your posts:

"Regards,

Scum"

That will tidy up your posts nicely.

I could just levae the speech marks till the end of the post I guess, that would work well.

fmp

Btw I don't think you realised that was me on Twitter. Enjoy Deauville  :)

11/2 into 4/1 for relegation this season.

Were Pardew & Ashley friends prior to this? Cant help but think its a jobs for the boys situation where he gets his mate a job and a the same time, play manager himself with a coach that isnt going to stand in the way of his interfering.

Yes used to knock about with eachother in London, often seen in casinos together.

maybe Ashley lost a prop bet?

do they involve wags? if so think the stories are pretty much common knowledge. same thing at southampton alledgedly

He better not try anything on with Andy Carroll's gf..

Newcastle might as well go all the way and appoint STUART BAGGS,now theres a thought.

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''Its one of the top 5 clubs in England''

Did a little giggle a that.

lolz, who said that. either monda or pardew I assume. tbf it's def one of the top 5 in the north east of england

What do you fine gentleman define a "big club" as?

They are top 10 imo, 2nd tier of English sides.

Top tier- Man U, Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea (though this is pretty much Abramovich money or they would be 2nd)

2nd tier- Spurs, Villa, Man City, Everton, Newcastle and Leeds.

Whole episode is LOL... Quite tragic really...i like Newcastle as well...just been humped sideways...Ashley is one head up arse merchant..

Pards in his press conf, understandably he has to talk the job up, but only to a point surely...!

Yeah but why?

LOL @ Chelsea being in tier one.

Should be 4 tiers imo.

Top: Man U

Second: Liverpool and Arsenal

Third: Man City, Leeds, Newcastle, Aston Villa, Sheff Weds, Spurs

Fourth: Chelsea, Sunderland, Everton, Birmingham, West Ham

Having loads of money does not make Chelsea a big club. If Abramovich leaves they will settle back down to their old size, about the same as West Ham, a little bigger than QPR.

Newcastle's 'big club status' stems from the fact it's a one-club city unlike practically any other city in the country.

Norwich City

Leicester City



Camel's list is about right I think


History, crowds, on field success, support outside their home area etc all come together in these tiers

and I think he's right on Chelsea too


Tier 5 is the likes of WBA, Stoke, Wolves, Forest, Derby, Leicester, Probably put Bolton in there, Norwich, maybe Ipswich, Pompey, QPR etc


Blackpool and Wigan don't make the top 5 tiers

I love this discussion, argued for many many years about what a "big club" is.

Blackburn, Cardiff, Sheff U in tier 5. Boro

All others except those named outside top five tiers I reckon

Only those in top 4 tiers count as big clubs afai am concerned

on what basis are leicester up there above numerous other clubs rich?

A provincial City team with crowds 20,000+ for ever. Decent long history in the top flight in 1950s-1970s, yo yo since. Four cup finals, three LC finals, two European entries

Not a big team but one of the bigger medium teams. Same as Forest, Derby and the rest.

Liverpool in tier 1 for me and Arsenal in league 3 with the rest.

So league 1: Man U, Lpool

Tier 2: Man City, Leeds, Newcastle, Aston Villa, Sheff Weds, Spurs

Tier 3: Chelsea, Everton, Birmingham, West Ham,

Tier 4:  Blackburn, Cardiff, Sheff U, WBA, Stoke, Wolves, Forest, Derby, Leicester, Bolton, Norwich, Ipswich,  QPR

I prob leave Pompey w/Wigan/Bpool

and I would add that Forest and Derby could be higher if it was for long term on field success after all there are EC and PL winners there...but for me crowd size is a big factor.

they are up to 30k or so and and to me to be a big team you have to be capable of having crowds of 35-40k ish. Of course stadia is a limiting factor here but even when there was terracing they weren't getting the crowds of the big boys

right, I'm off to start a quiz on a new thread

I think Portsmouth and Southampton are pretty big clubs too, probably deserve to be in tier 4 at least.

Bristol City are a big club in waiting, really fanatical support and a pretty big catchment area.. shame they have a terrible ground and are run by idiots.

Camels is good cept i think you also have to put Liverpool in tier one.

IMO

Super clubs

ManU Lolpool, Arsenal

Big clubs

Spurs, Everton, Villa, Chelsea, Leeds

Big clubs group b

Citeh, Sunderland, Newcastle, West ham, Derby, Wolves

next group

Sheffield clubs, Forest, <insert medium sized EPL club here> pompey, Soton, boro

IMO:

Top Tier: Liverpool Man U Arsenal

Second Tier: Everton Spurs Villa Leeds

Third Tier: Newcastle Sunderland Citeh West Ham Wolves WBA & a couple of others

Good to see the love for Chelsea ITT

This is closer than others imo.  But wheres Chelsea, 2nd tier surely?

Also top tier should be:  Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal   :P

Tough to say tbh. Probs 3rd tier tbh but recent history makes them close to 2nd tier I guess.

Under/over on how long pardew staying?

Surprised if he makes it through to end of 2011/12 season. Meltdown probably coming around this time next year.

It wouldn't shock me if he was gone inside 3 months.

Newcastle go 6 or 8 without a win to start with, the fans will go ballistic against Pardew.

I saw you could back him at 2/5 to survive the season. 7/4 to be gone.

Sigh been needling a tonne of liverpool fans about this match, thought we would turn them over, and this happens. Please let us win or im gunna 'kop' for it big time

Weee nice start, holddddddddddddddd

Boooooom over the f moooooon

I understand queues are already starting to form outside Newcastle tattoo parlours with Geordies wanting Alan Pardew tattoos.

rofl, weee

Clearly, the team Chris Hughton fashioned won today.

Did it for Chris, well done boys.

he is 6s to be the next manager to leave

hodgson 16s

Doubt Pardew will be leaving us anytime soon, hodgson not a bad price at 16s, although doubt hodgson will be going before some of the others

Avram Grant I assume is next, though quite who could do any better, no idea

Joey Barton could just be the greatest

This!! Him and enrique are like the best

Said during the commentary Barton was likely to leave during the window.

Who is after him and for how much?

Do we really run that bad ?

Do you mean nobody would want him Keith ? He's been incred this season,only better player we've had is Carroll.Barton's playing as well as he ever has,and that's very well.

West Ham £5m in January. :(

why on earth would he go there?

a) they are going down

b) He'd last 5 minutes in London before falling off the rails


Ashley should surely wait a while before asset-stripping, if that is his plan?

Ride the upswing

Lol hes defo not going Wh, gl with tht. It would end his career

Selling Barton for 5m wud be a joke,guess that's guna happen then

I think he's a really good player.

But for obv reasons I wouldn't touch him with a very long bargepole.

By all means give someone who has fcked up a second chances.

Barton is about his tenth chance.

He's a baddun and cannot be trusted.

Reports are he's taking a wage cut too, it just doesn't make sense. Perhaps he's going to be in the NOTW in the next couple of weeks. If Ashley can get 5m he will get rid I think but will be a huge mistake, IMO Joey Barton should be in the England squad on current form.

Although I agree he can't be trusted I do think he is more likely to behave at Newcastle than any other club as he really enjoys the passionate way the fans conduct themselves and I think he really wants to do well for us. Obviously he will flip out now and again he's a scally but for once in his career he has a dressing room who are all similar personalities and are all in for the same course. I got a soft spot for JB and I really want him to do well.

I disagree he's a baddun although I know that sounds stupid,have you ever found yourself behaving totally different to the person that you are under the influence of alcohol,drugs woteva ?

To digress a bit,is it just me who thinks it's some what of a joke that Barton who is an alcoholic and trying to stay off the drink gets giving a bottle of champagne for geting MOTM ? WTF

If Newcastle can get 5mill+ for him, why wouldn't they cash in on such a unreliable player?  If he becomes the barton of old again then theres not a chance there'll be able to sell.

So Ridic if we sell him, hes in our top 5 best players imo, Carrol Nolan Barton Enrique, prob Tiote. £5m is such a bad price for what he is, and i doubt vmuch he would want to leave us for a team on level par with us, and no1 else is going to want to buy him.


btw die ashley

I f love Barton, his crossing is unreal, so underrated, i prefer nolan upfront but i like it when we play carroll and ameobi together so nolan can play mid, and Tiote is the nuts, mops up everything loose in midfield and i think he holds it all together really well, did a great job today vs pool. And i agree what your saying bout pool. Them 3 would be huge for them. Keep our players one time Ashley and forget about ur back pocket

Tiote = world

Btw, is it just me who thinkgs Gutierrez is tez. The guys f'in awful imo.

Got Tiote from Fc Twente

No,he could just be the worst

This i why Ashley will sell.

QFMFT

Good relationship with Enrique and good going back. I would love to see him given a chance at RB as I think he could do really well, especialy when Ben Arfa, arguably out best player comes back next year.



Nolan is turd in midfield. He is farrrrrr too slow, he is however a FANTASTIC box man, perhaps better than any other stirker in the premiership, his anticipation and bottle is second to none. However he just isn't good enough to play centre mid for us. I'd love to see us go and buy a quality centre mid in January, but buying a good centre mid and selling Barton is 1 step forward, 2 steps back.

Avram Grant to leave? and Hughton to step in?

it gets worse. pardew brings in his old mate andy woodman as goalkeeping coach

his training sessions as far as I can tell involve fattening up the keeper to fill as much of the goal as possible and then getting them to kick for touch

abs delighted he's left the valley and we got paid compensation for it too

They approached chris powell too. Thankfully he turned them down. Going to be a top coach/manager in a few years

Yeah, heard about powell. Pretty funny really, doubt there's anyone in the game with more integrity plus he knows pardew. No way was he ever going to say yes

With Ben Arfa back surely the solution is Tiote + Barton, w/Ben Arfa on the right and Nolan behind Carroll?

OOOOHHH NOOOOOOOOOOO SOMEONE GOT SACKED SUCH A RARE THING TO HAPPEN

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11685_6605977,00.html


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Absolute joke. Press all about Carroll so Ashley sneakily goes off and offloads out second best player. What a joke.

Heard on the football league show tonight that Newcastle and Bradford are in talks about a compensation package for Peter Taylor as he's gonna be pardews number 2!!

Huge sigh if it goes thru :(

Huge HURRRRAAAHHHH from the Bradford supporters...Taylor is killing our club and i'm sick of him using it as a stepping stone...we can do better...so can Newcastle!!!

xx

Lol if so bradford catch a huge break. Taylor is an awful manager. Decent coach

We wont catch a huge break tho cos Jacobs will probes get the job till end of season or summet!! I'd like to see Paul jewel back if am honest!!

I'd take jewell or kamara back.... Neither are in management and both have a fantastic record at Bradford... Let's hope lawn makes a decent decisionthis time and avoids the has been old timers looking to use Bradford as a way back in!!!

Xx

YUK!!!

this just in from Bradfordcityfc.com...

Taylor explains his decision to stay
Posted on: Tue 04 Jan 2011

Peter Taylor has this afternoon (Tuesday) spoken with the official website to explain his decision to stay at the football club despite interest from Newcastle United.

The Premier League club approached City for permission to speak to Taylor about joining the coaching staff at St James Park, but the Bantams boss has decided to stay at Valley Parade and continue in his role as first team manager.

Taylor said: "I was flattered to be asked by Alan Pardew to be his assistant at such a huge club like Newcastle United. It is something I have always said I would be interested in doing one day.

"I have a lot of respect for Alan and for Newcastle United, who are a magnificent club, but I just really didn't want to break my commitment here at Bradford.

What he means is...i like being in charge and will just park my bum here until a bigger team come for me...EPIC FAIL for Bradford xx

Or Pardew wont be there long anyway, so ill end up loosing my job when the next manager comes along