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ukcoop main. 20k stacks. What do most do here and why?

PokerStars Game #54138629928: Tournament #2010121011, $500+$30 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level I (25/50) - 2010/12/12 15:15:11 WET [2010/12/12 10:15:11 ET]
Table '2010121011 3' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: R1 FYN (19840 in chips)
Seat 2: George2Loose (20750 in chips)
Seat 3: 4Kings_Hit (19625 in chips)
Seat 4: JT-Nick :D (20825 in chips)
Seat 5: lov10k (19725 in chips)
Seat 6: leshark81 (19975 in chips)
Seat 7: judgedredd13 (20185 in chips)
Seat 8: MARLIN ACE (18875 in chips)
R1 FYN: posts small blind 25
George2Loose: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to George2Loose [9s 9h]
4Kings_Hit: folds
JT-Nick :D: raises 100 to 150
lov10k: folds
leshark81: folds
judgedredd13: folds
MARLIN ACE: folds
R1 FYN: raises 250 to 400
George2Loose:

Flat? You're 400bbs deep

Anything else would be pretty bad imo

Folding would be bad?

omg is that what you had in that hand? sick :(

If you were 100bbs deep the fact that the original raiser was UTG+1 and is therefore more likely to 4bet might swing it to a fold if the original raiser was a bit of a nit but until we have information to suggest that the UTG+1 raisers range is really tight I'm happy to flat this

yeh. Just posted cos Ive been told by a very sick online player that I should have folded pre

I was watching and was dying to know but didn't wanna give you rubs. So sick that he finds that turn card with the cold 3bet OTF. ul.

I almost click it back to 8460. Had it typed in the box but thought it would look too strong lol

I dont mind folding here, due to being oop in a 3 way pot and poss facing a 4 bet from the original raiser.
 serious question- would 4 betting to, say, 1450 be a daft move here? If it is, could someone explain to me why it is a no no. Cheers.

I don't hate folding either but I don't like 4betting as you are so deep that flatting is the optimal play because UTG+1 probably has a decent hand so you have very good implied odds whereas if you 4bet only the worse hands fold and the better hands can bet you off your hand losing the chance to set mine with great implied odds.

Basically your bluffing

I don't mind any option really.

Calling for the set hoping there's no 4bet. I think the 4bet is unlikely so we'll prob get to see this pot 3 ways. Bad point is when there is a 4bet we've spewed a few chips away.

Folding is fine because of the above. We don't want to just spew chips. But this spot isn't quite spew imo.

Raising is fine as long as you're aware you're bluffing as you do it. Prob a situation where I wouldn't bother though.

Thanks for those explanations Redarmi and George.
 My line of thought was that by 4 betting ourselves, first of all, we have a decent amount of fold equity and if we end the hand with the 4 bet, all well and good.
 Our 4-bet looks very strong and UTG+1 may well fold out many hands that are in good shape against us,from JT suited up to possibly AQ. If he does fold, we could then be playing our pocket nines in position against the SB.
 Obviously, if we get 5 bet by either opponent it's not good.
 Fair point about wanting to set mine with good odds, but, 400 seems to be a bit pricey to me. Also, if the flop comes low are we still only set mining?
 I just feel that playing a, likely 3 way pot we could put ourselves in a difficult spot with this hand, especially if we deviate from the set mining only position.
 I'm still trying to get to grips with 3bett / 4 bet stuff. Just trying to exercise my brain before i try and take down my local crapshoot.

It is 350 more to us to win c20k (implied odds obv) so we are getting roughly 30/1 for the call to hit our set on the flop which is a 7/1 shot and the hand obviously has some value beyond that but you are going to be oop to the UTG+1 raiser and it is just a really tough hand to play post flop if you don't hit the set.  Assuming the UTG+1 just flats then what range are you going to put him on??  Do you feel very comfortable leading into him on a low flop??  It is just a tough hand to play post flop if we don't hit a big hand and with the stacks this deep there are going to be so many better spots.  That is why i don't even mind folding.

if we call, guy 4bets, other guy calls, what we doing?

Depends what he 4bets to really but generally both flatting and folding are still valid but I think it becomes more weighted to a fold just because you are commiting more of your stack and now know you pretty much need to hit your set to be good. 

Flat or fold, I cant see a reason to 4 bet and if we flat and it gets 4 bet i'm just folding unless it's ridic small.

Flop?

opener called. Flop was 985

how did the 3 better proceed?

He lead. I raised. Opener 4 bet. 3 bettor folded

MBN



edit

wait what.... opener 3 bet he didn't 4 bet the flop.

the preflop 3 better folded.... pedantic but I hate when people get those wrong.....

Must remember to bump this thread when George starts moaning again.

lol this wasn't sposed to turn into a bad beat thread

Basically I flatted. Turn came a q. Check called two streets and he had J10.

Was tough for me to fold river however the sticking point came pre. Was advised I should just fold. Wanted opinions on what others do

4betting and calling pre are fine.

The only people that would fold pre are those that run a million $ above ev because easier spots will come or those that are 20 tabling because thinking is hard

Gratz on the APAT team G, run good.

 ;kneelsucker;

it sounds like it might be a river fold as played tbh
 

His SN should of given it away

Oh and I flat pre, really doubt ur getting squeezed out by utg+1 this early vs a sb 3bet. Don't mind 4betting to isolate the sb since our hand will play a lot better heads up/in position than oop 3 way. Can't imagine ever rly folding this deep tho

It was one of those painful "I know I'm beat u bastard but I'm gonna call anyway fk you" type of calls

Not a fan of 4betting pre OOP this deep with no antes in an MTT.

I'd probably lean towards Fold pre>call> 4bet. Definitely peeling pre if im in HJ/CO/BTN this deep.

yh its really tilting when u go from having the nuts to a bluff catcher when he's never bluffing