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Title: Mini ftops river line.
Post by: pleno1 on December 12, 2010, 11:34:23 PM
Guy is terrible, peeling my raises alot. River line? It's event 11 which had 30,000 runners, we down to last 1000 before this hand. We are both big stacks on table and both top 15 in tournie, he hasn't played back at me once..

Full Tilt Poker Game #26348424689: MiniFTOPS Event #11 (190735390), Table 1382 - 2500/5000 Ante 600 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:25:05 ET - 2010/12/12
Seat 1: mr mumi (96,758)
Seat 2: bigwalkdog (186,143)
Seat 3: Groomi (458,498)
Seat 4: wattsout (328,162)
Seat 5: DonCorleo20 (114,658)
Seat 6: 42kem (430,144)
Seat 7: assaf1222 (32,703)
Seat 8: locke36 (48,672)
Seat 9: Diwo83 (85,757)
mr mumi antes 600
bigwalkdog antes 600
Groomi antes 600
wattsout antes 600
DonCorleo20 antes 600
42kem antes 600
assaf1222 antes 600
locke36 antes 600
Diwo83 antes 600
locke36 posts the small blind of 2,500
Diwo83 posts the big blind of 5,000
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Groomi [ Ahrt  Ad]
mr mumi folds
bigwalkdog folds
Groomi raises to 11,225
wattsout folds
DonCorleo20 folds
42kem calls 11,225
assaf1222 folds
locke36 folds
Diwo83 calls 6,225
*** FLOP *** [3h 6d Qc]
Diwo83 checks
Groomi bets 20,155
42kem calls 20,155
Diwo83 folds
*** TURN *** [3h 6d Qc] [9d]
Groomi has 15 seconds left to act
Groomi bets 53,455
42kem has 15 seconds left to act
42kem calls 53,455
*** RIVER *** [3h 6d Qc 9d] [4c]
Groomi has 15 seconds left to act
Groomi  ?


Title: Re: Mini ftops river line.
Post by: George2Loose on December 12, 2010, 11:42:15 PM
close to pot it


Title: Re: Mini ftops river line.
Post by: pleno1 on December 13, 2010, 12:09:41 AM
close to pot it

and calling if he jams?


Title: Re: Mini ftops river line.
Post by: pleno1 on December 13, 2010, 12:13:41 AM
Raymondooooo just opr'd him and he satted into the tournie. This is an $11 and he satted in... His normal game is 0.60 cent sngs to double deuce.


Title: Re: Mini ftops river line.
Post by: GreekStein on December 13, 2010, 12:14:25 AM
I'm bet/folding like 115k.

Puking when he jams though


Title: Re: Mini ftops river line.
Post by: pleno1 on December 13, 2010, 01:18:03 AM
If this is in a $215 against moorman what you doing on river?


Title: Re: Mini ftops river line.
Post by: GreekStein on December 13, 2010, 01:27:47 AM
If this is in a $215 against moorman what you doing on river?

lol at moorman flatting pre in a pot


Title: Re: Mini ftops river line.
Post by: silverslick on December 13, 2010, 09:32:16 AM
You have 20% of your stack in with 1 pair. I would check call for pot control.


Title: Re: Mini ftops river line.
Post by: NigDawG on December 13, 2010, 09:46:33 AM
Seems like a pretty simple bet/fold 100k-150k to get paid by Qx?


Title: Re: Mini ftops river line.
Post by: EvilPie on December 13, 2010, 01:05:27 PM
I'm bet/folding like 115k.

Puking when he jams though

What you doing when he makes it 230k?


Title: Re: Mini ftops river line.
Post by: BulldozerD on December 13, 2010, 01:10:45 PM
watched this hand, would probably bet/fold just over 100k. your image was pretty aggro but still can't see him jamming AQ/KQ


Title: Re: Mini ftops river line.
Post by: DMorgan on December 13, 2010, 01:16:05 PM
Against a guy like this thats just playing his cards its definitely a bet/fold

His range is obv weighted towards one pair hands that you beat, probably Qx so I'd bet like 70% of pot and sigh fold to a jam

Disclaimer: Didn't really look at stack sizes properly


Title: Re: Mini ftops river line.
Post by: BulldozerD on December 13, 2010, 01:24:36 PM
Against a guy like this thats just playing his cards its definitely a bet/fold

His range is obv weighted towards one pair hands that you beat, probably Qx so I'd bet like 70% of pot and sigh fold to a jam

Disclaimer: Didn't really look at stack sizes properly

roughly there is ~190k in the pot and effective stack sizes are ~350k (disclaimer i didn't use a calculator)


Title: Re: Mini ftops river line.
Post by: DMorgan on December 13, 2010, 01:59:44 PM
Cheers

Then bet/folding 140k sounds good


Title: Re: Mini ftops river line.
Post by: pleno1 on December 13, 2010, 03:42:35 PM
I think it's sooooo rare that he ever shoves here on the river. I think his range is 95% Qx and a few people have said c/c is better. Remember guys this guy plays 0.60 cent sngs.

I went for 144,500 and he insta shoved.


Title: Re: Mini ftops river line.
Post by: DMorgan on December 13, 2010, 03:55:21 PM
When his shove is instant I think its even more of a fold tbh


Title: Re: Mini ftops river line.
Post by: George2Loose on December 13, 2010, 05:41:21 PM
bet folding seems like a std line these days so should we check/raise bluffing river more at higher stakes mtts?


Title: Re: Mini ftops river line.
Post by: cambridgealex on December 13, 2010, 06:42:15 PM
bet folding seems like a std line these days so should we check/raise bluffing river more at higher stakes mtts?

or just raise bluffing the river in pos? the snap shove to any bet could be quite effective?

i mean, giving the majority of ppls reaction to this snap shove, any decentish player will be folding all but the very top of their range. On boards like this we could double float in pos with ATC then snap shove the river. Maybe the only hand in hero's UTG raising range that bets all 3 streets that will call a river shove is QQ? or 99? just an idea...too fancy?

disclaimer: not sure if hero was UTG here, but in theory...