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Hey Guys,

Does anyone know of a site that publishes the results / no of runners etc for the Broadway Casino's tournaments?? Theres nothing on cheesypoker.........

Thanks!

Only shows it weekly and isn't always current but it is what you asked for.
Ian

Thanks ifm, that was exactly what I was after!  ;D

Im going to have a try at the 20 NLH rebuy this monday night (limit myself to 3 rebuys) I just wanted to see how big the field usually was.

Nightfly, any chance of getting Nottingham results put up on this site?

We are working on that Adam. I have Monday's result, which I will post this afternoon. There are some awkward legal issue to resolve in the "what Casinos are & are not allowed to publish" department. I want the REAL results, not the official pirze structure, & that's causing some head scratching.

I get the impression Rob is of the opinion deals are bad for poker. in fact I think he's said those exact words to me. He was 'hinting' last night that changes were going to be made that made deals less likely / necassary. He was saying 1st prize for the year is currently running at about 29% instead of the advertised 40%. He also told Big Bob that he should be a clear league leader but because of being involved in 4 three way chops he's taken himself way down.

As you know I generally agree with Rob in not liking deals. as I said in a recent post and in a conv with you and Junior, unless I'm a chip leader of a field I feel vastly outclasses me I won't take a deal. If I'm behind I'm never going to be offered a favourable deal and if I'm ahead I should just drive on for an outright win. There's some great players at Notts but if I have chips I don't think there's anyone I couldn't compete with.

I was out t 2am last night with only 15 remaining. Surely there was enough time to play it out.
We'll see what happens tonight. Chip count I imagine.

Rob at Gala Notts is trying to get approval to "flatten" rhe structure, thus folks more likely to play to the death. He has to get approval (amazing - it's OUR money!) but he's really trying hard for us. Give him time, & he'll get there.

Unlucky last night, but great to have you back amongst us.

Unfortunately Tikay, Managers, think that the money isn't yours until you win it.

Altho I doubt they would interfere very much. ALtho quite why I doubt it I'm not sure. They don't like change very much. It's worked for the last umpteen years whats wrong with it?

I'm sure i have posted about the attitude of some.

It's our club, you play by our rules. You get what we let you have etc.etc.

Foolhardy i know.

I have messed around with the prize structure at Blackpool and never even thought of asking a manager. Perhaps I should have. HEHEHEHEHE. Deals are still done tho. Needs to be flatter still. Never got down as low as 29% altho the festival was at 35%. Lower we will go. Of course then you have the ones who think only the winner should get a Big Payout. Oh well you can't please everyone can ya.

Yogi

Yogi, just keep doing it without asking, they can only sack you.

Rob - Cardroom Manager at Gala Notts - has produced data which proves that POST deals, the winners are typically taking home about 28% to 30% of the prize fund, with the runner up getting typically 20%-22%. I'm encouraging him to "just do it", but the fella has to get permission from management etc. And as you say, it seems that Management don't like change. But Gala ARE getting there, inch by inch, so lets not discourage them, the more support we give them, the more likely it is we will get our way. "Win their hearts & minds" as the maxim goes.

But at the risk of repeating myself....IT'S OUR MONEY.

I will. I usually do.

Thats what gets me into trouble. They put me in charge then i foolishly think i'm in charge.

Yeah that sounds about right.

Forgot to say on last post.

Keep going Rob.

Yogi

I might mention him to Michelle at the Riverboat (Glasgow) - like you say, the deals get done anyway - it'd be better if there was a structure to it.

Tikay, when you say "it's our money" yuo have to realise that "our" covers a large group of people. I have a Home game buddy who goes to the Gala every now and again and in about 10 attempts has never finalled (close last night going just before me, 18th or 19th I think) his ideal payout structure for when he eventually finals will be different to some of the more seasoned serial finalists. As I spend so little on rebuys usually, Im one of the few in there that breaks even or sometimes profits from 10th. If I final I'm free rolling for 1st prize so I'm happy with a top heavy structure but would like longer to play it so a 7.30 start would be better. Those that rebuy more would probably benefit from a more even strusture so that 6th didn't represent a loss for them. I think on balance 30% is the better payout when you're having to beat a field of 100+ because the rest of the final table have had to battle a big field on a fast clock with relatively few starting chips.

Yes, I agree Adam. BUT......you can't please everyone, & the FACTS PROVE that the MAJORITY of folks would prefer a flatter structure.

I was speaking to "someone from Management" about this, & he said he was concerned that if he flattened the structure, Dave Smith (currently on a 6 month ban) would kick up a fuss. Oh DEAR......

ROFL

That was definately a manager speaking.

They sound the same no matter where u come from.

Yogi

Jeez, what's with you guys today. What is "ROFL"?

Rolling On Floor Laughing

wondered why I hadn't seen Dave Smith since my return. Is it something that's public knowledge or will I have to see you in person to find out why?

I like the idea of a flatter structure too, I was just pointing out that we're perhaps too big a group to say "our money"

Thank you Rod. I've often wondered but always been too coy to ask.

Adam,

Dave Smith? It's public knowledge, given that it happened in front of a cardroom full of folks.

Ask around tonight, anyone will tell you. I'm not entirely sure I wanna post the story here, because I never saw it personally.

"Our money". Yes, I take your point. But if the majority want one thing, then.....

It's like the smoking issue. I WANT to be able to smoke when I play poker, but I can & must accept that the majority don't like it, so I must accept it.

First of all thanks for all the words of support and encouragement :)

I am planning on posting a poll on prize structures etc in the near future but i want to back it up with a little more statistical research.
i could also do with a few suggestions for how best to structure the poll... ie whether to provide multiple choices or only 2 etc
in the end i suppose the success of a poll is how many votes are made
this is an important issue for many players and i suppose that if i get the poll wrong first time i can always refine it and try again.

will try and start a new thread in the next couple of days

from my poll experiences the more options you give the better, thatw ay your not left open to the "hows about......?" list as many possibilitys as you see fit and maybe you'll hit gold

I was initially thinking of posting four alternative payout structures and allowing two votes per person.
these would be accompanied by payout examples (probably make for quite a long post)
was also thinking of limiting the structures to the top 5 places as it is around this point that the majority of deals start to be discussed.

my ideal payout structure would be 1st gets 100% as the player who finishes first had won 100% of the chips

but i guess players wont go for that espically at the wsop main event

with 100% for the winner i might have gotten myself a passport

Problems will also ensue as about how many get paid???

Stanleys do a weird payout. Prob not weird but I dont know what it is. 10% get paid or something.

9 or 10 handed finals. how much do u take off for 10th-18th or 20th

Rather you than me.

Good luck

Yogi

Hi guys and gals,

I am sorry to change the topic of payout structures, but as it is my first post on this site, I just thought I would introduce myself to all blondites (and other card room managers, supervisors and dealers) My name is Richard and I am the card room manager of the Broadway Casino. I can only apologise for the delay in my joining your site, my excuse for the delay is, as i hope you can appreciate, i have been rushed off my feet getting it off the ground. After fighting my corner with the big bosses, they have realised the potential of our card room and the tide seems to be turning my way. i have trawled your site for the last few hours and would just like to pick up on a few points and questions that have been asked about our card room.

i would like to apologise to ifm and the wall and any other players confused about our ever changing programme. As we were starting afresh and i didn't know how many and the quality of poker staff we were opening with, i started with three no limit comps. one being a friday. i was told due to staffing levels being low that i must change this to a wednesday. i figured as all card rooms had a texas game on wednesdays, i would try an omaha comp. i can honestly hold my hands up and say catagorically IT WAS A FLOP (pardon the pun). i could go on and on about the reasons we chopped and changed. So to cut a long story short we have settled down now to a regular Sunday, Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday 20 no limit hold'em comp. However it has surpassed my expectations without any advertising to such an extent that after our Festival in September we will be running a 7 day programme. And plans to expand the card room have already been discussed. Once this is confirmed we will actively promote and inform all players on a regular basis of any changes to our programme.

Dress code-- Yes we do operate a strict dress code policy but not as strict as when we first opened, jeans are allowed as long as they are not ripped, we do not allow any sportswear although smart trainers are now accepted, I would urge anyone to turn up at least smart/casual to avoid disappointment.

Car Park facility-- Yes we pay for the car park, and I must say that it is the safest car park in the Midlands if not the U.K. on top of that there is a service to valet your car whilst you are in the casino during the Afternoon!

Foul Language and bad sportsmanship will not be tolerated, but fortunately all players seem to respect the atmosphere they play in, and players renowned for these offences have realised that this will be the heart of poker in Birmingham, and are not willing to jeopardise their membership. Although I am itching to make an example of someone lol.

Smoking-- Yes it is a non smoking competition, however we do give the option for no-smoking or smoking permitted cash games at either end of the card room.

Results and program can be found at www.thebroadwaycasino.com online applications are available at www.broadwaycasino.co.uk

Thats the Questions cleared up, but quite happy to answer any others or queries

I was highly amused at dani versaces attempt to sound like a customer saying that walsall had blown us out of the water on our opening competition. I also find it amusing that junction 10 when it first opened tried its damnedest to blow the rainbow away with guarantees, when it succeeded and it was the only venue in town it treated the customers like crap. The next guarantee was when we had guaranteed 10000 for an 80 seater 100 freeze out. They made a last minute guarantee of 15000 (funny that) and yet they still took 10% registration fee off their 189 players. So competiton actually increased their revenue and they made 1890 from you players!! Guess what, they have now have some guarantees. Maybe due to a plc being scared and head office allegidly telling J10 to do anything they can to "**** us up" I personally think this is fantastic for all card players. When their league is over i feel there will be some amazing money being splashed around to keep punters there. Waiting for the 2nd week in September to see what gem they come up with during our festival. Will they compete with Grosvenor Blackpools weekend?.....me thinks!

Yogi-- I do realise yours was already planned spoke to the Fox last night. I have also got 2 more CR managers/ head supervisors interested in meeting.

GEE GODS MY FINGERS ACHE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Welcome Richard and thanks for the post:

I've only been to the Broadway 3 times but for what it's worth, I reckon think it's a great venue. The atmosphere/structure are good and the dealers are spot on! All this can only be a good thing for local players.

One last thing: Me and a couple of friends are looking to play regular freezeouts (50). For my money, that would be a welcome addition to your schedule as on our budget we'd prefer to play in a freezout rather than a 20 re-buy.

I fully appreciate that this might be a minority view. Just thought I'd voice my opinions while I had your ear.

Cheers, Will.

Hi Richard!

Welcome to blonde  :D

I didnt get chance to visit the Broadway in the end (even tho I started this topic) but since I live 10 mins up the Hagley Road and work next door to the Edgbaston shopping centre it should be my venue of choice! Not that youve got your timetable sorted out I will definitely pop down for a game and I would also like to take the chance like to Billy to say that a 50 freezeout would be a very welcome addition.

Oh and while your here, do you intend the 7 day schedule to be all 20 NLH rebuy comps or are you considering any lower buy in comps?

Thanks!

Steve

 Great to know there is a cardroom opened in central Birmingham (about time),however Richard i am a bit put off by the fees/schedules offered.As a terminal cheapskate i find that  20\50 rebuy tourneys are a bit steep and know i'm not alone in thinking this (BrumBilly was possibly hinting at this).
     I'm guessing that when the Broadway takes off you'll consider some additional "cheaper" freezeout/beginner type tables (you never know you might get some students in :) ).
incidentally how is the Backgammon working out?

 All the best Smeeeth

Hi Smeeth,

20 rebuys are borderline in terms of comfort level for me especially when you have to place top 5 to make the night worthwhile if you've had two rebuys. I and a couple of friends would  much prefer playing against more experienced players on 'even terms': ie. I lose my chips I'm out and vice versa.

I play weekly with mates in freezouts ranging from 5/10 and the odd 25 (2 to 4 table multis). Good bunch and we generally manage to play two games. Get together with your mates and start a poker 'club' at uni. That's what I'll be doing if I move back to London in Sept..(chances are I'm starting a PhD so will be looking to recruit 'members' at the freshers fair!!).

Message me if you fancy trying to sort out a game.

Will.

  firstly, i think i may have been a bit misleading in my orig' post i AM a cheapskate though haven't been a student for several years (the "get some students in" bit  came from "Student Grants" (Viz)  favorite complaint about"overpricing").
   But to expand on my original post i believe the success of places Such as Grov' Wallsall and the Gutshot has been achieved by offering Poker to the "Masses" using such things as beginners tourneys,cheap freezeouts,womens nights etc..
 With the advent of Poker now making it to the dizzying heights of ITV1 on weekday nights i think it would be a wasted opportunity on Broadways behalf if it did not cash in on its potential to be (central) Birminghams premier cardroom.We are supposed to be the second city and it seems odd that there is such a dearth of "decent" places to play.I was really suprised that the Grosvenor on Broad st did not jump on the bandwagon several years ago and find it even odder that the Rainbow (Hagley rd) didn't reopen it's card room when it had been there years before Poker had even made C4's twighlight zone.
  I do actually believe Poker to be a current "fad" so i think the more rooms that open and encourage people into them the more people will be left when the "bubble" bursts to populate the remaining rooms

 yours  Smeeeth  :)
 

Hello Richard welcome to our little "village".
Good post, we love to get the cardroom managers involved and get the other side of the story!
No appologies necessary for me mate, i appreciate you have been trying different things over the last few months and a good thing it is too, competition is obviously a good thing as walsall have changed their attitude somewhat in the same time frame though i do feel that Danny and Zak (he's great) have had as much to do with it since they took over the running of the card room there, but they probably have a debt to you lot in respect of giving them an argument for which to base changes on (does that make sense?).
With regard to buyins, (my tuppence worth) a little variety is needed, to have only 20 rebuys does effectively price out some punters but does help maintain a higher standard, this is where walsall has everyone beat IMO, just the sheer variety of games throughout the week catering for every pocket.
Some folks have mentioned a 50 freezeout and although it sounds good it just doesn't work, i (and most players i know) look upon these things from the value side of things i.e. you can spend 50 for a 1st prize of 1000 giving you 20-1 or a 10 comp with the same 1st prize with 100-1 odds (i know, i know rebuys etc. change these odds but it's just how i think).
Monthly higher stakes games are better than weekly IMO.
Any chance of getting a discount on drinks for poker players?
Just to clarify a couple of things, i LOVE walsall, i think it is excellent on many fronts (staff, players, variety etc.) and this is a good thing for the Broadway as it sets the benchmark for others to try to emulate and this can only benefit players.
I also really like the Broadway and it gets better and better each time i've been and i'm sure will continue to.
Anyway, i've rambled for too long so i'm gonna shut up now,
Ian

Thanks for the clarification Smeeth. And there was I hoping to get an invite to some tourn's on campus!

Hi Ian, I can see where you're coming from in terms of the 'value' argument. Like I said in my post, I'm aware that my preference might well put me in the minority. Having said that, with the mass of new players entering the scene, there must be a fair number of players who find themselves in the same bracket as me. My argument goes along these lines:

1. Been playing just short of two years so no longer a novice (however poorly I play..lol.) and not very experienced either.

2. Rebuy tourns are fine (won't bore you with my gripes) but I'd like to play in regular freezouts.

3. 300 freezouts are beyond my pocket even when I'm flush. Why risk 300 from a win in a 10 tourny. That's a fair few rebuys at my current level!!

4. Birmingham is preferred location for games.

Just thought I'd share where I'm coming from. Cheers.

I understand what you say, just that they tried this at walsall (50 freeze) and even they will admit it didn't work.
I saw you last night at starcity, i was gonna come and say hello but when i tried to find you you'd gone ???
I take it you went fairly early  ;D
Ian

You should have grabbed me...though you'd have had to have been quick. Early is just one way of putting it. Had one rebuy and didn't fancy coming back after the break with 1600 in chips so got em preflop with 79os...One caller who duly gave my chips a new home. I disappeared in a flash (cycled there so only got a BIT wet...Mosely was apparently hit by a TORNADO today...those students have all the fun!!).

Was gonna go again tonight for the 20quid comp. I prefer it to the Wed but just got a call and will be playing 9-Ball instead. Grab me for a chat next time you see me mate.

Will do mate, was gonna give the place a miss cuz i don't particularly like it there.........though i might need to have a rethink ;)

Cheers guys for re opening the thread, in response to the pricing of the tournies. Can I just say, i completely understand where you are coming from, unfortunately due to the number of card rooms and the ever growing limited amount of hard core poker players. A decision was made between ourselves and our sister club "The Shaftesbury Casino" in West Brom. They would very rarely do a competition 20 or over and we would rarely do one for less than 20. The shaftesbury's comps are all 5 and 10 7 days and 2 afternoons with an unconditional guarantee of 2250 for all 10 comps. I am really in favour of looking after students, as they are the future of poker. I have been in talks with a number of University's societies and an NUS closed comps may welll be on the cards. I realise that 20 may be a little heavy for some pockets especially on a regular daily basis, but in the Central Birmingham area there are a number of 10 comps at other casinos namely Gala, China palace and star city on Wednesdays. The Broadway does have an element of snobbery, not condusive to poker. I have found that the cheaper you go regarding competitions the more of a duck shoot in can turn out to be. Our aim at the Broadway is to provide an atmosphere with less loonatics and where you can actually PLAY poker (there are a few rich loonatics out there too though) The ante structure is the slowest around which effectively gives you a lot more play. I have had nothing but good reports from all that have played there and it is encouraging for us to listen to certain hard core players saying that they will not be returning to their normal venue anymore, for numbers of reasons.

As I said earlier I will be trying to support local inter Uni's and Colleges this maybe over some afternoons.

Backgammon cancelled along with the kalooki , they were a way of utilising an unused card room for days with no poker. Not very successful anyway.

Regarding Drinks, this is a subject close to my heart. I agree the drinks are very expensive (this has something to do with being positioned 150 yards from Broad Street and keeping the undesired piss heads from what is a fantastic entertainement venue for the more mature player) that sounds really bad! You have got bad timing lol as I have now had my comping facility taken away because i was abusing it with poker players. All players get a free half time meal though.

Regarding the prize money ie only paying 5 prizes this is only if we have fewer than 50 players.Over 50 players we pay to 10, fortunately now we are looking at over 65 for most games limited to 80 at the moment.

Please come along if you take your poker seriously, I am sure you will enjoy yourselves. Come and chat with me and put forward your ideas/ suggestions I try and take everything on board.

I used to work with both Danni and Zak and I have nothing but respect for Zak as he does know what he is talking about, no offence Danni but unless you have greatly improved from your Shaftesbury days I won't comment.

50 and 100 freeze outs are in the plans

Ouch!!, hehehe you must tell me the story next time i'm in.
BTW you mention a festival in september and detail?
I can't seem to find any info on it,
Ian

Im a member of the Birmingham Uni Poker Society, and we regularly used to voyage to the old china palace 10 rebuys on a wednesday.. The society is already pretty big considering its only been running for one year. Im pretty friendly with the main guys on the committee and they really think that its going to take off next year.... perhaps some sort of arrangement could be sorted between the casino and the society in terms of a regular events

I know for a fact that there is plans in place for a big tournament (in terms of no's, similar to the Oxford Cup) towards the end of the year.

id be more than happy to pass some contact details to you dik

Ry

Thanks for that info Richard,

You've got your ante structure spot on. I for one look forward to the introduction of 50/100 freezeouts...NICE ONE...

Will.

Please do although something on the scale of the Oxford cup maybe a little too large for us....unless we do a number of day 1's



Festival details are on my own basic website www.thebroadwaycasino.com Brochures to be printed this week.


Thank You Will hope to see you more then.