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There were so many comments as to how badly I played during the Monte Carlo deep stack that I thought I would drop you my thoughts. I’ll quickly answer some of the comments then I’ll give you my insight into why I open folded ace king pre flop. Firstly to the newbie who said his experience of me at the tables over the weekend was not a pleasant one. You can only be the “young gun” who was three betting everyone with any two cards. So when I raised one off the button with ace 9 and you three bet me. I then smoothed called, when the flop came ace high I was laughing inside because I thought you were so far behind. When you bet and I then pushed all in and you snapped me and flicked over ace king! There was no one more surprised than me. I stood up and started packing me items away. I wished you all good luck and told you “nice hand”

I was clearly surprised and pleased (but didn’t show it) when I spiked a 9 on the river for two pair against your paired ace king. Now at this point I just sat down, my only words were “unlucky big fella” then I started to stack my chips. It was at this juncture that you started to tell me how good my pre flop call was! Yeah well being old school if I had put you on anything but rags I would have folded pre flop. I read it badly and got lucky. So as I said at the table if you can’t take the out draws then don’t play poker. You started on me not me on you and for someone that who is clearly id for the minimum age whenever they walk into a pub, don’t criticise other players when you get unlucky. Get your head down and keep grinding.

To all those experts that pointed out how badly I played and all the many holes in my game, I thank you for all the time and effort you put into trying to correct my game. I have taken on all your opinions and would love to have one to one training from you guys. You all probably know who I am. I used to work the bar for a period of time at DTD. So don’t be shy when you next see me in their pull up a chair on the cash table tell me how badly I played, put some chips down and show me were and how I can improve my game. All help and constructive advice is very much appreciated.

To all of you that gave me kind thoughts and good wishes on here and DTD I thank you. For the whole three days I played tight solid poker and your genuine words of encouragement where and are very much appreciated. In the whole three days I got my chips in bad 3 times and only once for my whole stack. And yes I got lucky but who doesn’t in a three day event. But hey who is perfect.

To “tight end” thank you for pointing out that I will only get “aces” every 220 hands, I can now stop folding every hand and waiting for aces because I’m hardly going to see them! I must have been some luck box to make the final table of a three day event with a peaking chip stack of 1.6 mill in chips just waiting for aces and getting paid when I have them.

I’ll judge my game on all your hero’s game. Simon Deadmen. Now I want to say before I bench mark myself  against Simon, that he is a lovely guy, with a very good game but does in my view run golden, in fact it was me that started calling him Simon “golden” Deadmen. You will see when we were down to two tables and we were on the TV table that on every single hand we played with the exception of one I out played him with air. You’ll be surprise that I didn’t have ace’s every hand, in fact I played the player and my table image that was in his mind set from the end of day two when I joined his table and sat with 200k and finished the day with 650k was my edge. If you all think you can final table in a three day event just by playing cards when they hit, then maybe it should be me looking at your game not you mine. But again Simon I think you are a lovely guy and we both know that your game is clearly better than mine, your results are strong and you will probably go very far in poker, well done you played well little fella but every old dog has his day as they say.

Now to the ace king. “Tight end” if you are going to report on hands then do a better job at detailing the right chip stacks its probably quite import to the players thought process. I had just over 1.2 mill behind when I folded to the all in shove of frazer not 500,000, so my 225,000 re raise to frazer’s bet of 100,000 was not being pot committed. But the truth of the matter is I knew I was in front, the money is important to me, I now have a young family, I wanted 3rd as a minimum really badly. At that point in time Raymond had about 600k and I wanted him to get it all in and finish 4th. Did I play ace king bad, yep, should I have shown it, nope, would I call right here now today in the same situation? for sure. But I can’t turn the clock back. But if I ever get that lucky again in a three day event by waiting for ace’s and make the final four for a 19 bag pay day minimum and I have ace king suited (not ace king off tight end) and the little blind shove’s to my re raise I’ll call.

Good luck at the table’s. Shaun KIng

All that just to confirm it was terrible!

Can you give me my 2 minutes back pls!

Money is important to me as well - that's why I'm not ever folding AK blind on blind at a short-handed final table.

Haters gonna hate, play your own game, wp and nice result.

kind of this, but also you haven't really told us anything new - everyone assumed it was to ladder and that's what you've just said.

I think people were surprised that if you were just trying to ladder, why would you show the AK?

Well played and super result but could you change the title to "I, Shaun King......" or it looks like you've started talking about yourself in the 3rd person.

nirvana would never do that

Chompy agrees.

Nice result sir but the fact is you folded AK pre. Just no.

tl;dr

Hi Shauny,

I was wincing with embarrassment at the abuse & mocking you were getting m8, but it's the nature of Forum users these days I'm afraid. Peer pressure & all that means they are scared to swim against the tide & make the pretty obvious case. They would be a little more polite & circumspect to your face, rest assured.

It was obvious what your (non-optimal, imo) plan was to anyone who gave it a seconds thought. I play that hand different, almost all of us do. But you cashed for the fat end of £20k, & most of those mocking never have & never will.

Play the game any way you want buddy, & ignore the smart alecs on the rail. You have no need to defend yourself to anyone.

Congrats on a quite splendid cash, & I hope you don't let all the comments put you off Posting more.

thanks, i'm sure i'll hang around for a while at least!

Yes, we're all scared to swim against the tide and say the AK was played well because of peer pressure.

Wtf Tikay!

Great fold and yes I blame Tighty as well

i'm with Shaun on this one, Yes he did play it badly but if he thinks he can ladder for a few £1000's more let him fucking ladder end of the day the £1000 buy in has come from his pocket not yours, If you guys  are so great Please write a book i will defo buy it!

Misses the point completely Mr A.

It was a shocking pass, no doubt about it. How does that make him an object of derision, just because he does not play the game so well as you & others?

We don't have to tell him he played it well - he did not - but we don't have to make him out to be some sort of dumbass either. He might be a decent guy, but no, he made a bad play so that's it, case closed, he's an idiot.

Were you always as good as you are now? The geezer made a mistake, 100%, but quite why everyone then has to be so rude about him is another matter. Did you never make a mistake at that stage of your poker journey?

I understand your point, but it's not like we're going up to the guy saying "ahhh you're shit" or something, the posts were made on an interactive rail thread. It was a particularly terrible fold, I don't see how you don't expect people to comment. No-one was abusive about the fold, derisory yes, but not abusive.

I've made plenty of mistakes in my poker journey, and I've taken plenty of flaming along the way too.

tbf, you make more value judgements about his play here than most did last night

I think there are two camps here and both have equally valid stances. I'm in with the majority - yes I'd be bricking it at 5k, 10k money jumps etc, and I'd obv want to ladder a bit and that would stop me from 6bet shoving T9sooted, but having said all that, I'd be snapping off with AK there even so. I think I'd want a shot at winning 78k rather than going for one more prize jump.

However, this is a, I won't say once in a lifetime, but very rare experience for someone like Shaun. So there's no "longrun" view. If I had a fulltime job and didn't play poker for a living with a family to support, then these money jumps would mean a hell of a lot. Who knows how I'd react. We all like to think we'd play perfect poker on a prestigious final table like this, but I'll reserve judgement until I'm in Shaun's situation. Maybe some of you guys regularly have decisions which have 10k+ riding on them, then fair play to you, but I still don't think it gives anyone the right to ridicule someone like Shaun for playing the way he did.

Congrats on the great cash buddy. Alex

If only I could have assembled & Posted my thoughts on it as well as cambridgealex did. Brilliantly put, every single word.

I kinda agree with this tbh. From reading the OP the decision making processes seem terrible from a poker pov but ffs let the guy do what he wants

Top Shooting big man, hope you, Charlotte and Holly have a great Christmas :)

With the indicated stack sizes then yes its an insta call... but as stated Mr King is under the bright lights and playing ( for him ) big money.

The only thing to say is congratulations sir and well played.

As for the others.... well glass houses and all that...

I had railed you from day 1 Shaun, and it was a pleasure to walk in and see you sat at the final.

I was outside when the AK hand played out, my dad rang me to tell me you were tanking an all in and as I ran back in, I just caught you folding your hand. I told you my feelings in the break following this, and I thought in the spell following that break, you play fantastically. You got your head back and played your game. NOBODY has pointed this out, and I think it should be noted. You made a mistake, you did your best to make up for it and got unlucky in the end.

Great post Alex. Its difficult to know that youll know what to do when the time comes. A 10k descision cant be taken with a clear head unless you do that thing day in day out. At the end of the day, how much does that money mean to someone with a family to care and provide for?

Your a brilliant guy Shaun, and a good friend. Im so pleased you did what you did, just wish it could have been what you wanted.

I spoke to loads of people on the rail about the AK hand last night and I said pretty much the same thing to all of them.

He's the one sat there with 20k locked up, not you. He's got there playing his way and every move he's made over the last 3 days be it good or bad is what's put him there and us on the rail.

As Shaun has pointed out Tighty incorrectly reported the hand. I looked at Shaun's chips and he had 40 big blinds left when he folded.

I'm pretty sure there's lot's of players on here who would fold AK for 40 bigs and some of them are the ones who gave Shaun stick. Maybe even Tighty and Tikay fold AK for 40 big blinds? Do you get 16000 in at 200/400 4 hours in to the 300 deepstack? Who knows?........

Personally my chips would've been in the middle before Fraser's but I wasn't there to have the oportunity and Shaun was.

As he said, at the time Ray was much shorter than him which gave a good chance of laddering. With Jack at the table with a big stack he actually had a very good chance of getting heads up albeit with a virtually unassailable chip deficit.

Given Shaun's circumstances I honestly don't mind the fold. The one thing I didn't like was showing it!!!! Shaun...... Why the hell did you show it?!?!?!?!?!?!?

This instantly told the other players that you were laddering and gave them and in particular Fraser a huge advantage over you.

Anyway I've said my bit. In my opinion not a good fold at all but certainly an understandable one given the circumstances.

I'll see you at the bar some time soon for a pint mate. I believe it's your round :D

Matt

I think mc makes the point best. Nobody is throwing insults at HIM. they are saying it was a very poorly played hand. Also given kings reasoning for the fold it makes the reshove with JTs absolute folley, whether he is trading an image or not!

I would be really interested to hear what his jamming range was at that time. For example, if he was genuinely laddering then what does he do with JJ or QQ?

Congrats on the score btw, and if I ever meet you at the poker table, I will gladly buy you a drink, if you promise to keep folding ace high bvb to me!

Hi shaun. Firstly well done, as I said to you last night. Secondly if I got the stacks wrong, sorry. A function of being a distance away from the table. Couldn't even tell it was ak suited! As to the reporting I felt bad. As I said to jk last night I had to report it but felt bad it wouldl ead to some stick. Could I have reported it better? Maybe. As to the aces comment, well that's just my writing humour. No one thought seriously you were waiting for aces. I did report on hands like the k4 and 10 9 too. Just couldn't understand why you were showing all these to your opponents.

Well done for posting up.

Well done for the deep run.

Don't really think the comments were too insulting; just standard fare from a live update thread about a poorly played hand.

From what I know of Shaun's game he doesn't think in terms of jamming ranges and calling ranges. You or I would probably have a specific set of hands for this exact situation against our perceived image of our opponent but Shaun just doesn't work like that.

He plays poker because he enjoys it not because he wants to study the mathematical side of it and work out the EV of a range of hands against an opponents probable range of hands given stack sizes, playing style and view of his playing style. He won't have even considered "playing off an image".

He goes with his gut and his gut said fold.

As for buying him a drink I'm afraid he only plays at DTD. If you ship me $5 on stars I'll get him a fosters on your behalf.

i would love it if the other guy comes on and says he had AA in that hand

we'll see the cards on the tellybox. AA would be incred

Matt - nh!

Im not gonna bang on about the hand, but his logic is very flawed irrespective of hand strength and gut feel. If you are laddering that's what you should be doing. Been there, done that.

Yeah we can all start ripping in to Fraser then telling him he's shit for shoving 45 bigs effective with AA.

Who cares if he won the whole thing, he played that hand shit and that one isolated hand is all that really matters when it all comes down to it.

tl;dr,

cliffs: don't 3bet fold AK

Pretty sure when it comes down to it, this is the important point. If the money is important and you wish to ladder, then obviously taking a flip possibly or whatever is not great for you. From that point of view, if you want to fold, then fold. But if you show, people will comment on it like they did at the rail, and also on the interactive update threads. You're just going to have to take their criticism, because most won't know your situation, and how important the money is to you.

Obviously a great result for you, what with christmas round the corner and everything. I'm just not sure I'm used to nice and humble Shaun, compared to the big bad Shaun I used to play with at the Isle.

Brilliant Matt :D

You're in fine form today, Mr R! Sometimes, just sometimes, I sort of see you as a father figure.

Wp Shaun, I get the money thing too if you have a young family...,you goto play your game - I push in an instant in that position, but it's your choice and you'll alway get a lot of responses on forums.  Tbh, I think alot last night was just driven by loads of emotional support on here for Monda which is all good, everyone wanted him to ladder. 

Wp and a great score

Good Post Shaun, i've never heard of this Simon Deadman guy though, he isn't "all of our hero". Raymond Norton is mine.

This was blind on blind, toally different situation to people who are defending the fold because he are 40 deep. Nice, classy post though Shaun and I sincerely hope you and your family have a fantastic Christmas.

+1


but i doubt i can fold ak bvb cos im an idiot

Jamie, Alex and Matt thanks for your input. You all make sense, it was a bad fold. Matts last post was spot on regards how I play. "Free Rollin" I don't know who you are, why not post a picture that shows your face? As for the Ricoh... humm you seem pretty hung up by that. The people that have posted that have said you understand, thank you. Those of you that understand but still think I've lost it, thank you I also understand.

For me, I'll play the next 300 deep stack, lets see if lightening can strike twice, you never know, playing by feel might be the new 3 bet!!

Just a thought shaun. If u didn't have a family to look after would u of called?

Btw I wouldn't of folded because I have no responsibilities to looking after a family. My view might change if I had other to think about as the jumps are pretty significant

It's Sunny, Shaun.

I'm not hung up about anything at all mate. I was just wandering in the updates if it was the same King I used to play with at Ricoh.

We obviously had our differences in the past, but I think holding anything against you would just be stupid and not worth it. As I said in my last post, great result for you. Well done.

I should have called, same spot again, family, hindsite I call. It was just one of those hands I played with a non poker head on for a 3 minute period. I can't justify my poor play. I was just trying to give an insight into what was in my head. And I want all of you to consider this. Charlotte my partner is an ex dealer and she plays a little to. If you think that anything on here on is painfull. You wanna be in my shoes at home.................. she thinks I'm the biggest donk ever!!!

I live and learn, so next time my friend I call.

Wow, Sunny, student Sunny? if so...... buddy sorry I ever pissed you off. I always saw you as a tough player and I've always enjoyed your company. Sorry again big guy.

Yup student Sunny. No worries mate, I'm sure I'll see you at DTD soon.

hi shaun,

great result and a great start to family life for you,charlote and the baby.

everyone plays hands that afterwards they think omg i such a donk,unfortunatly for you you did it for everyone to see lol.dont let it take away from the great result,use the money well.

Fran Creed

Sigh only if I can use my winnings well

we could just fold preflop if we want to ladder rather than 3b/f

well done on your result

Surely we just flat the open if we are laddering?

I don't understand how you can be surprised Tikay, if someone does something so stand out bad then how do you expect people not to comment on it in an interactive thread?

WD Shaun. Agree with a lot of whats been said. Understand why your laddering but wouldnt be 3 bet/folding AK and deffo would not be showing it.

I don't understand how you construe it as simply "comment" Dr NitRoll Demps.

It is possible, surprising as it may seem, to comment, educate, or correct people, without doing it rudely, mockingly, or telling them they are idiots or donkeys. It's also probably a good idea, now & then, to try wearing someone else's shoes.   

PS - Set of 2's indeed....... Got me good & proper Sir.

Some very good posts on this thread. Congrats on the result Shaun. I have one question, did you consider Shaun69ak instead of Shaun69uk?  ;D

Cheers George, I 3 bet because i thought he was weak, I was right he had KQ, I just played that 1 hand sooooooooooooooo bad and that my final comment on it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL @ Pellham Boy, I'm sure somewhere down the road of the not to distant future something will stick and have a A and a K in it, they can be a brutal bunch at DTD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I love this. you played a hand badly in an attempt to ladder/lock up some money for your family but then get grief for doing it when you get home to the family. lose/lose

We've already changed your name to Ace, Mr.King lol

Seriously bud, play your own game ...... it seemed to work, just remember the critics are the ones already on the rail.

In your initial post, you said you shouldn't have shown, that should be the end of the story. On the plus side, the next final table no one will know wtf you are doing, so all good  ;D

Take care

Rich

POTY IMO

Works on so many levels!

(Sean that's post of the year, I'm not calling you potty!)

Fair play Shaun, i was under the impression you was 3bet/folding off like a 15bb stack, which would be just the worst, your reasonings make sense and i myself may view things diff if i had a family to look after, gl in the £300 and in the future.


Ps, that aggro lanky guy at the start is just a massive douche, doubt hes a winning player, just has a bankroll from playing lead roll in superbad, ignore him next time :D

Shaun you're a lovely guy and i'm very glad for you :)up


You also know I speak my mind and talk cack alot, I have no problem with the laddering idea in and of itself, but i'm sure I commented in the thread because as Flushy and others have said if you were laddering it's in your best interest to 1; not 3 bet and fold giving away more chips and 2; to never ever show it because that is ridic in so many ways, you're already up against an Ellwood, he isn't real as it is, you cant keep giving him information every hand aswell!

I'm delighted Charlotte is going to give you rubs about it because that's hilarious!! hehehe. Have a good Christmas :)

Todd................ yeah mate, to be fair I thought he was a rude f**k. but hey ho

dont care what people say mate... u make ur own decision...

well played sir ( fish )

buy charlotte and baby nice xmas present and dont 4get my 5%.

xxxxxxx

IS IT?!!?

Cheers Frankie, Maz has all 5% and drinks at the bar. Wanna trade 10% now for Jan's 300 deep stack?? xx

did not realise it was you Shaun or would of railed you when bust from the 100 on sat night.
your a really nice fella and you was missed when you left from the bar staff

ignore people who have slated you not deserved correctly or incorrectly people will voice there opinions
 all the best for Christmas and the future.

I thought Shaun played extremely well and was an absolute gentleman at all points throughout the whole Monte Carlo Event.
A genuine and honest guy with little ego who enjoys playing Hold'em with a smile on his face.

I watched the final table and had the advantage of being able to see all the players hole cards as i was spotting for the film
crew. In my humble opinion (i know nothing about Hold'em Frankie i know) Shaun played to a high standard on the final table,
at one point Jack Ellwood even showed Shaun his hole cards after Shaun passed (an obvious sign of respect as i dont recall him doing
this at any other point).

I enjoyed watching you play with such verve and a smile on your face. Your  Aspades  Ks was dominating his holding, and i did scratch my head for a few
minutes after the pass. Really did think you played outstanding hold'em though Big Guy.

Jack Ellwood is some poker player!!!!!!! Thats for sure. A machine.

I'm just going to say this.

I wish was counting my 20K and reading posts about how badly I played a hand.

Well done Shaun.

Hi Tom, thanks mate, good point I guess :) Hope u r good buddy, Charlotte says hi.

only played cash with shaun before and he seems a nice guy, which is a bit disappointing as i wanna see 'big bad shaun from ricoh', whatever that is!

grats on the result

Obivously this was a really bad fold. But that's a "really bad" fold if we're assuming a very definite framework. It's assuming the long run; and that this situation will arise enough times that we just want to make the right mathematical decisions, nothing else.

It is these assumptions that ICM is built upon. However ICM assumes one very big thing; that every £1, £100, or £1,000 is worth exactly the same.

There are actually very few people for whom this is genuinely the case. For this gentleman, the £10k that took him between £10k and £20k, I would guess, counted for far more than a £25k money jump would have done heads-up, and this would be the case for many people.

Nobody has actually contemplated that he might actually have made the right decision here, (once he had three bet)- not in a strategical way, but for himself, his desires, his situation, at that time. And it's precisely this that makes final tables interesting. It would be boring if each one just had players pushing around chips, knowing the exact correct calling ranges and shoving ranges. There's a danger that poker could go this way, and it would be a shame.

One of the great things about poker is that every final table will have a variety of characters, with very different outlooks and aims. But the greatest thing about this one-man game is that you are free to make your own decisions, to experience the excitement of living or dying by them, and to not have to be accountable to anybody else.

It's for that reason, that I would think our hero would have been surprised to read back through the updates and see what looked like near outrage about a choice that he made, a choice for himself. Particulalry so, because he probably knew that it was technically a "really bad fold."

We might know a bit more about snap-calls and shoving ranges, but he obivously has poker talent, and would like to know more about this. However, he knows a hell of alot about something that maybe half of us on here know nothing of yet, and that is being a family man. It's good to experience it from different sides sometimes; that's actually what the game is all about.

Great post Stu .... you always make good sense with what you say and this explains why you're a good player. People do indeed need to be able to see things from others' perspectives.

Nice one!

Shaun

I've never posted on these forums before but having read your thread (and then spent an hour of my life going back over the updates from Sun night) I felt like I wanted to congratulate you on your final table finish in the Monte Carlo.

Was at DTD on Friday night and both myself and my mate - Dave Smart - noticed you were playing the MC and were saying to each other that we'd always found you to be a decent bloke, having both played with you and chatted when your were working the DTD bar and hoped you had a good run.
Sadly (for me poker-wise) I was out for dinner on Sun night but Dave went down to play the Super 50, said he saw you briefly and wished you well.

I've read all about the A-K and as I'm a total sucker for Big Slick getting my opinion on this would be a waste of time!  Having read your post I was just wondering (obv you don't have to answer) - If your intention was to move up the pay ladder, how did you intend to do that?  Were you planning on going into shutdown/fold mode and hope for the best or were you planning on picking spots and if so - would a better spot than the AK blind on blind have really arisen?

I really can't imagine what was going around in your head during that hand - I don't have a family as yet and have certainly have never won anywhere near as much as 20k in one sitting at the poker table and I would imagine that in that situation it must be incredibly intense.  Sometimes I think people forget that poker is a game played by human beings and not robots.....

To be honest I've always thought you should play even tighter as once I remember trying to push you off a pot with 9-9 only for you to tank and call with 10-10.  Wish you'd had A-K bloody suited then!!

Congratulations again, will no doubt see you at DTD in the very near future.

Chris

Is  Aspades Ks a good hand then ?  :o

 Aspades Ks Fourth best holding i have been told.

good post.

Hi Chris,

Yeah I spoke to Dave and he passed on your Wish's, thanks mate. To answer your question which will probably kick off all different views! again! You know my history at DTD and why I ended up working the bar, we have spent a number of nights on cash tables and I remember the 99 v's 1010, you went out in 10th.

To be fair the money means so much more now, Holly(5 months old) I'm getting no younger! I just didn't want my whole stack in with AK, we all been their so many time's you have AK they have A10, first card out 10! boom, you re out! (and yes every one I know I should have called being a 70/30 fav! Please don’t start again!)

Raymond had about 600k and I had I think about 1.2mill, I had just got back up their from a dip to 700k. I just didn't fancy it even though I put him on ace 10... ace jack, in fact he had king queen. All tournament I really tried hard not to put all my stack at risk. I bought in for the £1090, didn't sat, and my very good friend Maz staked me for half of it for a big piece if I cashed. Which I was happy to do because in the past he has, when I've been on my arse my personal bank!

I had played well to get to the final table, hopefully you will see some good move's and play by me on the TV table. Jeez…. I hope the forum thinks so otherwise I'm dead meat again! I thought Raymond would be pushing into Jack and with Jack’s stack he would get called and taken out. To be fair Jack wasn’t prepared to flip to take out Raymond. His choice but not a good one for me.

I felt that if I folded it would be no big deal regards my stack and the opportunity to move up. I knew 3 handed a deal would get done (which it did I believe) and that was my focus.

I’m just a basic old school player, that likes to see flop’s and make a decision then on what I put my opponent on and what I can represent if I miss and so on. All this “Durr” 3 bet to the raiser pre flop and then a re raise which seems fun! Is just not my game, so when I did it with ace high and got shoved all in on, even though I kinda knew I was in front for the reasons stated I folded.

Overall the good thing that has come out of this, is that those players that have played with me at DTD haven’t come out and said I’m just a lucky fish to make the final table! For a guy that used to run a team of 4000 employees back in 2000, took 10 years out for family reasons then ended up working minimum wage on the bar at DTD, the kind words towards Charlotte, Holly and myself have been humbling. I know at times I’m a arse (which I apologise for), I just hate loosing! Holly’s in for a tough time when she can play marbles or for you young guns Xbox!! But again thank you all for your support.

See you all at the 300 weekend…………… Charlotte’s playing to, she informed me, apparently if I can final table anyone can! Her words not mine!

PS. And yes she still thinks I’m a donkey for folding! Women! Ooops that could be a whole other thread!

Just lock the thread. Nothing more to be said, someone directly bought in a tourny, got 20x his buyin back, misplayed a hand, dug a hole, attempted to escape, told a nice family story which made us laugh, then starts digging holes again.
 
Thread wasnt neccesary and probably highlights some insecurity about your game.

Gl in future. Merry Xmas to the family

insecurity insecurity, what you mean insecurity, I'm not insecure............your taking the piss....... yeah some one please lock the thread up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if only for the newbies sake!

Less defending and more counting those 20bags :)

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 Aspades Ks played badly thread  just an excuse to start an autobiography ?

cliffs
guy buys in 1k tourney which he cant afford
decides to ladder as much as poss and not play to win
gets aks blind on blind and makes a laughable fold,
wants everyone to congratulate him on his 20k score
wants everyone to feel sorry for him for folding aks and give his reasons over and over and over 

gg wp whatever

congrats on the cash ... and please keep playing tournaments  :)

get the baby some extra pressies and give the wife a few quid jack   ;)

Tremondous post an can relate to it in some stage of my poker career!

Few typos though. Expect better from an Old Edwardian.

I must admit this was the first thing I noticed about this post, particularly 'particulalry' and obviously 'obivously'.

Other than that I thought it was tremondous.

I've been saying this about ICM for a long time. Yes the maths is always correct but as Stu points out it doesn't take in to account that £1 is very different to £1000.

I'm pretty sure that Ray who is a 24 tabling ICM machine made some decisions on that final table that were very different to the ones he would've made had he been playing a $12, 45 man sng.

Maybe he can correct me if I'm wrong but I'm fairly certain that at no stage was he in pushbot mode during that final.

Amazing post. 

In that first hand when you raise with A-9 why did you push all-in on the flop? You were laughing inside because you thought villain was so far behind when you did that.

Tikay, a lot of people on the forum would be affected by laddering pressures if they made it deep in a big tournament. But that thought process is the enemy isn't it? If you are a player that wants to play well you know you have to think a certain way to succeed. You have to resist external pressures and make good decisions in spite of those pressures. So when the enemy appears you feel compelled as a poker player to smite it down. In this example the enemy has manifested itself in Shaun King. But I don't think it's about the personal abuse or mocking of an individual rather than the battle against the thought process in yourself. Nobody wants to imagine that they would think weak in a situation which requires them to think strong, hence resistance. But I don't think it's resistance to Shaun King the person.

Ray was actually very actively 3-bet shoving when he had a 20bb stack at the start of the day and was pretty active at all points. Having talked to him and been there throughout, I was pretty impressed that he played like there was no money pressure on him.

From the updates it did appear as thou ray was shove botting and reshoving! Interesting to hear what he had where tighty said he looked like he didn't want the call!

The great thing about stu's post, is this is quite clearly what makes poker the game it is, but the simple and clear reality is that the people who can identify it in others, and continue to play to win, are frequently the big winners in this game!

I have to say, feeling like I fit into the money matters group, I combat those horrid feelings by saying to myself, I am happy with what I have locked up, and although the next pay jump means alot ( several months salary), the win would mean so so much more.

I have been fortunate to be in the position twice, once didn't turn out well, but I don't regret it at all. I can say with absolute certainty that I would have regretted folding more (in hindsight), even despite losing the hand!

I'm very confident that Ray was playing the tournament as if it were any other tournament.

I'm sure Ray doing his fair share of shove botting when he needed to but don't see how you can compare a 45-man turbo with 5 minute levels to a tournament with the EPT Grand Final structure.

Ray confirmed to me afterwards he had a very marginal hand, no call required!

Also said he would go through the updates and fill in some blanks  on the shoves(presumably when he has sobered up!)

Will he remember the details by 8th Jan 2011?

hey shauny,
grt result man!
v pleased for you, charlottey & holly...am already looking forward to some gentle ribbing over a bud (on u obv),
happy christmas

In the well with shaun king please.

lol. the title of the thread just made me cringe, then his reply was a kinda like fu at the forum post, bringing deadman into it?? pulled it around with the family part, but then still has backbites at the forum still.

The hand is history, thread done imo.

Congrats 20g's on xmas week mbn !

have a good one to you too, Julian-y.

just ignore wat people say here shaun....

spent ur winning wisely...

buy baby and charlotte presie and me 2.

have a nice xmas buddy

Only mistake here is showing the AK, gives the haters something to latch onto.

Dont know you, but very well done on your cash, enjoy it.

am i missing something here?

At point on the updates were people "hating" when 80 poker people are all watching some poker, the poker is gonna get commented on

no said anything personal/vindictive or even remotely rude to Shaun on a personal level, just commented on the poker - i cant see why that is even remotely a problem

I got upto Tikay's post then decided I'd post my thoughts on "that" hand.

I think maybe people should realise that the money is pretty important to some and can affect how they play which is understandable.My only personal thought was if this was how you felt which It'd seem so then I couldn't understand why you 3bet pre when you could've just called and underrepped your hand then folded if you missed.I went to tell Rich the details of the hand and you holded the cards up and I tried to bet Rich that you'd fold it,sigh that he managed to fade it.

I'll post on my diary thread how I played etc so as to not derail this one :)

lolz at haters

Yeah congratulations etc, but one thing that nobody has cared to mention in the lovefest...

Buying into the tournament directly if you're gonna fold in this kinda spot 4 handed means that you're probably -EV in the tournament

Probably not a great family-based decision to enter the tournament on that premis...

^^^ reasonable point - this whole thread makes pretty cringing reading IMO

The bits about simon deadman in the OP is just palm to face stuff.

The people telling you ignore the haterz when they aren't any is bizzare as well

all very strange

Yeah, the thread has tilted me rather lots, have tried to avoid posting.

It makes no sense to me that folding was the correct thing to do for his family, unless they don't like money.

Whilst I understand the motives, the logic is completely flawed, and no-one seems to have said that. The best decision for the family is going to be the play that makes the most money.

This spot is being to compared to the guy who folded Aces and Kings in The Big Game, which I can totally understand, but this situation is no-where near the same.

Not being to hijack and be a douche, I'm sure OP is a nice guy and it's great for him to have won this money, but just don't quite understand the mentality of the thread that's all.

no, you're not missing anything. I agree with you entirely but haven't posted as these threads are so tilting where everyone goes off on one about something that never even happened

Yeah, he gets it in as a 60/40 4handed instead of as a 75/25 5handed, he's locked up an extra £6k or whatever, but he knocks out bellamy with the AK when he's crushing his range then he busts him and ladders = 4handed/extra £6k/lots more chips = chance to win more.

Surely regardless of how much u need the money this is a much much better spot than a silly flip for 20bigs 2 levels later

It's obviously a terrible play even when you consider the points made in the OP, in fact they almost make it a worse play as he has not only burnt K's in tourney equity but lost a % of his stack in the process.

This has already been said 40x but no-one has EVER suggested anything personal towards Shaun. So why are people saying stuff like "these mocking have never had £20k score and probably never will?"

If I was playing id have fist-pumped, stood up done a backflip and called my mum to tell her what an easy call I was abut to make. I wasnt - because I "didn't make it that far, and dont have a £20k score and probly never will".  He didn't (and has had a £20k score) and everyone else has said he should have (which he should)

 /Thread surely?

^^WHAT A LOAD OF BS^^^ :S@!"££!"@":

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pretty much my thoughts, although the technical error is likely gleemed by a lack of understanding of game theory as much as playing "scared" so to speak. Nonetheless nice score sir and gl in the future.

Thanks for de-tilting me somewhat Wholly/SuuP!

FYP.

:D

Looks like me!

Sorry to spoil the fun.

There's some good stuff in the overnight posts. However there is some stuff we don't want to see on the forum. For example, flaming eg calling people retards and pricks, and then retaliation in kind.

If people can make their points without resorting to personal attacks, then good. I appreciate the OP of this thread got some backs up, so am off to ponder how to solve some people wanting a right of reply to that, and the manner they chose to do it in!

Sry for the bAd language tighty, ur right not the time and place really but I got mad and ranted. Sry again

Can u remove my last post too as it is in reference to the previous stuff, anyway what's done is done cba to argue anymore over something that won't be resolved without a sword fight to the death( jokes)  or something similar, I'll just be sure to keep my headphones firmly in when I meet mr king at the tables

huge sigh. deleted posts were the only good bits of this thread

It's possible that the internet police still have them.

Jason H - you're like a broken record!

I've checked wikileaks, nothing there. apparently the use of the word retard is too much even for them

am i on the force now  /:-|

i was just putting my point of view cos. i would appreciate if you would put my post back up. i was bigging up shaun for not following the masses and may have been a  little hurtfull to karl but i am sure this is a fourum...how many of the posts were deleted having a go at shaun. i just recieved this from karl
"Ty for making me look like a broke ass pos Jason, I'm not sure why u felt the need to comment on my financial situation in that thread, non of ur business but it's doing ok thanx, I only ever played with you once at poker that I can remember at the Irish open and I can't remember chatting much at all. I'm sure u meant ...wat u said in with good intentions however it came across as douschey and basically undermined my entire content of the thread and made me look like a total prick. " i will say sorry on here to karl for making him feel this way and will try to resolve the situation next time i see him. but i think he may have made himself look like this with his post.
this is one of the best forums  (so i am told by my wife ) for following live play and was shocked to hear that they may not be doing the dtd thing anymore...talking to rob this is in the main part is due to the fact that the "blondes" were not showing their support for the club. if they got off their arse n played poker at dtd  then maybe rob would have continued the relationship...i hear that dtd do have £15 freezeouts that would suit the pockets of 90% of the blondes. i think 1 have posted 20 times on here and prob 15 of those were to show support for ray even doing the newcastle avatar. to have a post removed really annoyed me and i question if it would have been done if i was a hero member with 90k posts.
business is business and views are views but fuck me karl is a big boy and can take it as well as give it.

and i actually only knew about this thread coz karl posted on facebook that it he thought it could be epic

The greatest ever apology post!

Too good, this thread still has legs IMO! Late run for the blonde awards coming up!

Over 100 blonde members played the last DTD Deepstack and around 80 in the Monte Carlo were regular members. I think you may have the wrong end of the stick. blonde players have been and remain huge supporters of DTD

We're not reinstating your post, or Karls, or others. I'm only leaving this one up to address your erroneous point about blonde players support of DTD

Awwww my post has gone, it was so worth staying up till 5am last night reading them

Some posts have gone, which in isolation are ok, as part of a delete of about 40 posts. Not going to spend half a morning splitting out posts to go back up when they don't have the context of posts that have to stay removed because of the flaming.

 

You are Chief Constable Creed.

This is all just really bizzare

Just really, really odd.

Im pretty sure it was a hugely un-nessercary thread to begin with as well

Jason if you want to cross book yourself against any of these blondes in the bigger comps at DTD, lemme know. Plenty of us that will take that action.

Don't forget the obligatory hu4rollz comment cos!

i have to disagree, it has raised some interesting points, highlighted by Stu. Yeh its gotten rele silly and lost its purpose somewhat, but it started out alright.

Its was a pretty funny reply from the fellow lincolner. But this thread has gotten a bit silly

lol nah I'm just a bit irked that Jason has made a pretty innaccurate comment about blonde and blondes.

I've only ever played with Karl a couple of times inc Irish Open where I knocked him out iirc and known him to be a very nice guy - felt Jason's comments about him were unfair too.

norrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Disco pwned

I think that it started out with the most ridiculous mis-guided pointless opening post, by someone who clearly over-acheieved in this tournament. Im really sorry to piss on the parade's off all the Shaun King loving in this thread but I've gotten so tilted reading this - again congrats on the score not taking anything away from you Im sure you played well for the most of the tournament.

So what interesting points has it raised?

and @Jason H - for all the poker exchanges we have (which i enjoy dont get me wrong) WTF are you talking about lol

and @MC - at least i'm somehow more tilted than you lol, fuck our lives

This thread deserves a classic *face palm*.

By the way, although I don't agree with what some of the people posting negative comments about Shaun or his game, at least they are being what they consider to be honest. All of these guy jumping on the Shaun King bandwagon saying how mean us kids are and how he's a hero etc. etc. are insanely two faced and should just man up and say what they're actually thinking or just shut up.

Congratulations on the score mate, I genuinely mean that, just make sure you carry it off with some form of decorum as some of the OP could be construed as arrogant.

You (and a few others apparently) are incredibly tilted by the thread. So why do you continue to open it and post on it?

PS- No skin off my nose of course, just curious.

good point i wish i knew. prolly because im on poker tilt/life tilt and have absolutley nothing to do all rolled into one

We're just haters sat here hatin'. Obviously.

SYKES FTW

I have nothing to say i'm just a hanging innit.

this isnt jamie Sykes. It's his Hamster

hey cos sorry not hadmuch chance to reply coz av just spent my annual xmas day in the nick. we do it every year but it is starting to get boring. last year i managed to last till boxing day before they come and got me. some of the stuff if not most is tongue in cheek both here and on face book and am finding myself once again saying sorry for causing offence. its been pointed out to me that its not only the lack of support for the club but also the lack of support for the on line site. ffs there are some 5cent/10cent games on there for you key board warriors. i am pissing myself writing some of this shit mate so if it causes offence i am sorry.

Many more times do we want to hear Shaun tell us he fvcked up the hand?

keep going Jason

offenders gonna offender

The online site yes but NOT lack of support for the club, far from it. And if many blondes had found the online site even vaguely worth grinding on, I am sure they would have done

ty. luke schwartz tells me thats good for me n bad for him...still dont understand what it means tho..and wtf is cross booking...is it like a last longer bet. last person i upset on here i ended up putting her in the deepstack on a freeroll

hey man i hope i aint rocked the boat too much. i think you and your helpers to an excellent job. i do agree that the software is a bit naff but there is so much value in the sats for the deepstacks etc. although i cant actually remember the last time i managed to get an add on. it flashes up for 10 seconds either before the break after the break or at any time in the 5 minutes in between. the only consistant thing is it is always when i have nipped for a piss. any news on the new sponsor or what is gonna happen to the bloging at dtd. phil heald told me at the vic last month that a rival (pokereurope i think) had put in a bid to do gukpt so they are under a bit of pressure too. often folks dont realize what a good thing they have til they lose it.

New sponsor will be announced jan1. Blogging at dtd: we'd love to but its up to dtd of course. They can happen irrespective of any sponsor as we would be promoting the club not online. See you after xmas at an event somewhere jason

Boss is by far the worst software out there, gettingn tilted just thinking about it

also a crossbook is betting you out-perfrom someone in tourney/game. I.E me and you crossbook for 10%

I cash for £10k. You cash for £0 - you owe me £1k (10% of how much better I did than you)
If we both bagel. £0 exchanged.

basically the bet for you is, can you get AA and KK enough times to reach the money whilst the "young guns" bluff their moneys off with air
;)

I lol'd, i've never said this seriously before but 'headsup for rolls?'

popcorn.gif obv :)

have no beef with jason so long as he doesnt create infactual asumptions and quote them on apublic forum making me look retarded intentionally of otehrwise.

hes apologised so its all good.


o and ty greekstein for earlier comment.

Alot of you guys are all incred talented players, who understand the game on a level a thousand times deeper than knowing that it's techincally bad to three-bet fold ace-king.

So, why is it the fact that somebody did, still tilting five days later?

Why do you want people to play well?

It's not the actual fold that is anyway tilting, it's the reaction to the reaction of the fold

:)

Mc

Surely that is profitable in the long run?
 ;D

LOL he's admitted he's angry that he folded it; he knows he mucked it up, admitted it, got beat up off his wife over it, repeatedly said on this thread he regrets it(all the family stuff was just him trying explain what was going on in his head at that time-rightly or wrongly)... the reason he's annoyed at the reaction as its discredited on all the other 100's of hands he played to get to final 4 because of this one hand

Huge +1

Maybe it's more the reaction to the reaction of the reaction...

Has it ever been explained why he showed the AK?

Metagame

LOL he's admitted he's angry that he folded it; he knows he mucked it up, admitted it, got beat up off his wife over it, repeatedly said on this thread he regrets it(all the family stuff was just him trying explain what was going on in his head at that time-rightly or wrongly)... the reason he's annoyed at the reaction as its discredited on all the other 100's of hands he played to get to final 4 because of this one hand
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And there is the reason why I did my original post. I screwed up one hand and I'm a donkey, well one screwed up hand means ,one mistake and many other good decisions and good poker play to get through the field onto the final table. NOW, can we please let it fade away. Even I'm bored of it!!!!

 he 3bet jammed K4 9To and other stuff after 3bet folding/showing AK. At least he realised his percieved image and used occasions like the aforementioned to use it.

Yes but he prob had that image anyway, and jamming those hands after folding ak because you are laddering makes a mockery of folding ak..........

Omg, why am I even reading this thread anymore!

+1!!!

This is my favourite thread ever.

I can't wait to see Shaun at DTD in the near future. I'm going to rip the shit out of him :D

I was drunk when I was contributing - which i realise I should stop doing, sigh.

Oh well.

My final post in this thread will be this.

Shaun - LOG OF THE INTERNET, GO TO YOUR CAR AND PLAY CRYSTAL MAZE END GAME WITH ALL THOSE FIDDY'S - DO IT NOW!

Enjoy the success it is well deserved

***disclaimer, I am drunk now as well, and am well aware its not even 4pm***

MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE :)

LOL at Evil pie................... I'll look forward to it,.................... lets see how deep you go in the next 300 ...........

OMG THIS A MIRRION TIMES


Wear old overalls and have a bald guy (hey evilpie) to do the countdown, and present you with your paper weight afterwards.

What a show!!!!!


And post drunk more dave obv.

Thread gains interest   Shaun King  vs Evil Pie in Jan Deepstack Last longer prop bet for ROLLLLLLLLLLLLLS

See you there buddy.

Have you figured out who I am yet by the way?

ditto! Try and get the whole table involved in winding him up over it! Love you really Shaun x

No who the fcuk is evil pie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(http://tracker.bestmmatorrents.com/profiles/images-323.jpeg)

(minus the beard)

It scares me every time you put that pic up Cos.

He's like a long lost brother.

Lollllllz that's awesome

That pic is scary. Very scary.



CRYSTAL MAZE!!!!

(http://crystalmaze.marcgerrish.com/images/elements/presenter_series2_1_252x189.jpg)

oiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
oiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

Start the fans!!

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And there is the reason why I did my original post. I screwed up one hand and I'm a donkey, well one screwed up hand means ,one mistake and many other good decisions and good poker play to get through the field onto the final table. NOW, can we please let it fade away. Even I'm bored of it!!!!
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Wp shaun. We all play differently and if you want to fold a k then that was your decision. What i would do and them wi a k is irrelevant!!! Bn called a idiot and a clown is totally out of order. Wp again and keep playing your game which is a winning 1!!! Gud luck

bump

Video Footage of this pls

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That is possibly the scariest thing I have ever seen.

It's quality!! rotflmfao


 ;nanana;