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Villain is losing, drunk and pretty tilted but is reloading and sitting deep. He has been playing every hand for about an hour. Highlights include overcalling river bets with 4th pair etc.

Hero has £2.2k, villain covers

Hero opens to £15 UTG+1 with  5c 5d, Villain calls UTG+2, 3 other callers

(Pot £75) Flop  6h 5s 2h

Hero bets £50, Villain raises to £175, Hero calls

(Pot £425) Turn  7s

Hero checks, Villain insta jams we have £1960 back

Thoughts?

Why would he overbet like this with 3-4? He could have pocket 6 s but I can't find a fold here...(I just can't see anyone playing a hand that beats us this poorly. A shove of £1600 into a 400 pot is mental.)

But surely you had already worked that out when you checked over to him and when you called his raise on the flop, no?

never folding

by the same token, why flat flop raise? if you dont think he is folding at any point just keep juicing the pot surely?

he could easily have either other set or a big FD

I hate my life, but i am calling (or folding and going home)

Maybe why i'm no good, but calling this all day every day

If ur rolled to play this game its a call

where was this?

i am not good enough to fold a set to a drunk whos doing chunks

Call

Highlighted what I thought was relevant.

Snap his cock off.

yea pretty clear call. Also given the information i think 3 balling the flop is best esp OOP.

I do a fold......

I think villain has value range of

89/77/66/22 and a semi bluffing range of combo draws that we don't have fantastic equity against anyway. With the very very bad pot odds I think I do a fold. I expect to see 77 actually but we shall seee.

oh and add 34 and 84 to his value range

How often has he made overbets like this?

god fyl lol

I probably snap so hard I leave a hole in the table, but if he's donating so hard then maybe we can find better spots? Though this one seems pretty juicy...

I think I should give up :(

You do realise there is only 1 card to come right?

Hasn't overbet once in about 7 hours of playing 80% of hands

just doubt id be able to click the left button though...............

Such a unique spot where ur dealing with a particular drunk in a particular mood on one particular evening.....

I think would just call in the end

Well its a tell

Wot is he telling you?

I'm not rolled for this

So I would cry

Then time out fold..

.......then Stand up and leave

For sure...

Possibly unrelated...no definitely unrelated...just wondered if any sites still use d/c protection..this spot is tailor made for unplugging the modem if so

These replys regarding if your rollled call if not fold are bizzare lol. It simply shouldn't effect your decision if your taking a shot and have an ounce of BRM. Hes drunk and can be doing this with worse for value, folding seems insane.

This!!! Have we called yet ?

probably worth including something like ^^^^^ in OP.

Snap Call.... Fist Pump.... Pull the chips towards you after he mucks QQ..

Easy Easy.....

Agree with former, disagree with latter.

I mainly play tourneys and the odd bit of cash where I'm 100BB deep and this is a snap call for me anytime I play poker.

However, I dont have much any experience of playing 400+BB deep and am not really sure how this game works in terms of action and typical pot sizes, but I'd imagine that most hands are played through all streets, so I doubt I'd call off this much unless I had the stone cold nuts. (whether it  is .10/.20 or £2/£5)

There are far too many hands that beat you here.

Just because he's drunk and doing chunks doesn't mean he's incapable of beating you in this spot. He is semi bluffing at worse with 15ish outs and beating you leaving you with 1 or 10 outs at best.

I've probably got my tourney head on here too much but I fold

I folded and was shown  7h 3h but I was happy with the fold at the time and I still don't think its awful

Decided to run some numbers from Pokerstove

   5,852  games     0.003 secs     1,950,666  games/sec

Board: 6h 5s 2h 7s
Dead: 

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    58.835%     58.83%    00.00%              3443            0.00   { 5c5d }
Hand 1:    41.165%     41.17%    00.00%              2409            0.00   { 7c7d, 7c7h, 7d7h, 6c6d, 6c6s, 6d6s, 2c2d, 2c2s, 2d2s, Ah9h, As9s, Ah8h, Ah7h, As6s, Ah5h, Kh9h, Ks9s, Kh8h, Kh7h, Ks6s, Kh5h, Qh9h, Qs9s, Qh8h, Qh7h, Qs6s, Qh5h, Jh9h, Js9s, Jh8h, Jh7h, Js6s, Jh5h, Th9h, Ts9s, Th8h, Th7h, Ts6s, Th5h, 98s, 9h7h, 9s6s, 9h5h, 8h7h, 8s6s, 8h5h, 84s, 7c6c, 7d6d, 7h5h, 7h4h, 7h3h, 7c2c, 7d2d, 6c2c, 6d2d, 6s2s, 5h4h, 5h3h, 43s, 98o, 84o, 7c6d, 7c6s, 7d6c, 7d6s, 7h6c, 7h6d, 7h6s, 7c5h, 7d5h, 7c2d, 7c2s, 7d2c, 7d2s, 7h2c, 7h2d, 7h2s, 6c5h, 6d5h, 6s5h, 6c2d, 6c2s, 6d2c, 6d2s, 6s2c, 6s2d, 5c2d, 5c2s, 5d2c, 5d2s, 5h2c, 5h2d, 5h2s, 43o }

This gives him every possible combo of sets, straights, FD+gutshot, FD+open ender and FD+pair combos for spades and hearts and we're 59% against that range getting 1.2 to 1 so I guess its a call but whatever, we live and learn

Well your boxing yourself into a corner if your suggesting he does this with 66 and not 22.

ah yeah i posted my expected value range and had 22 in it, but was obviously tiny part.

GET THE FUCK OUT!

pokerwise, 3ball the flop this deep v this guy

The reason for flatting the flop was to induce the turn spaz. I was thinking more he leads 300 and I can make it 1k rather than him just jamming but I guess if I just flat the flop I've gotta call it off here

Lol
Hi Alex


Long time......

agreed the talk of DM's bankroll is almost completely irrelevant, im sure he doesnt want to loose a £4k pot, but we wanna play +EV poker more than anything.

Suprised you folded

Absolutely. An don't agree with the assesment that "I folded and was shown  7h 3h but I was happy with the fold at the time and I still don't think its awful"

What would you have done if he had lead for £300, you make it 1K and he shoves then?

If he jams over my £1k raise then I obv call it off because I'd be getting ridiculous to 1 to call

I disagree. Reckon if this was a 1/2 game sitting just as deep he snaps.

Sometimes not losing 2k is more important that winning 8k

lol I guess my scared money should have no trouble getting action at 2/5 today at DTD then

Im probs way off the mark Dan- just dont see how this is ever a fold

Well the numbers say a fold isn't a million miles away, probably dropping a couple of hundred in EV but it just felt like a fold as soon as he jammed and I think I'd be more annoyed if I went against my instincts when I was actually right than if I went with it and I was wrong as in this hand

gl in the £150 if you're playing

Numbers are a factor obv but with all info you have given Im not folding.

Cant make 150 unfort.

id like the plan on some boards, hand dependant, think deep changes a lot though. getting the money in asap bfore villain shuts down wit his semi's/gets scared with his random overpairs/the cooler we have him in gets a horrid board runout.

gr8 hand though, deep is so much fun.

I agree with Bedi here. DMorgan says he played the hand to induce this kind of action and then folded vs a tilting drunk reloading guy.

winning £8k is much better than winning £2k :)

bt i get what your saying, loosing £2k is worse if the utility value of that £2k is higher than the value of the additional £6k you could win, if that's the case thoguh you need to snap leave the table, not saying I've always done this in the past but I think DM would do if he were in that situation as he's clever chap

we have a set. yay!

I cant find a fold here against this sort of villain. it's not '400bbs' it's just 'some chips'.  I might nit roll for a second before wagering my remaining chips.

I think you saying he has never overbet like this in all the time you have played together is more relevant than him playing 80% of hands and being drunk.  That said my initial thoughts were that it was a clear call but the more I think about it you are either slightly ahead or a long way behind and folding in those spots is never awful.  I like the fold but don't think I would have been smart enough to do it at the table.

You'd be £2k richer then ;)

Having seen him snap refuse any deal 4handed @ the deepstack last year, i dont think scared money is an issue here. It's all about the EV for someone like Dan and he made the -EV fold :p

Didnt he finish 4th?

we're in a results business here people

I love u ickle dave.

lolanol

lol go die :P