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Title: 400NL river shove? Post by: pleno1 on January 09, 2011, 07:17:24 AM Misclick called pre. Villain is Marc Karam, he grinds like 12 tables of rush and is very tight, he does however take time over decisions so isn't just sigh calling/folding etc.
Thoughts on line... $2/$4 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed) MP2$1400.80 (Hero)$400.00 Preflop: Hero is UTG1 with Jd, Qd. Hero raises to $12.00, 2 folds, MP2 raises to $40.00, 5 folds, Hero calls $28.00. Flop: ($86) Tc, 9h, Td (2 players) Hero checks, MP2 bets $55.00, Hero calls $55.00. Turn: ($196) Js (2 players) Hero checks, MP2 bets $110.00, Hero calls $110.00. River: ($416) 5d (2 players) Hero bets $195.00(All-In), edit: Sorry for retarded converter, c+pasted from another forum that I posted it in.. Title: Re: 400NL river shove? Post by: SuuPRlim on January 09, 2011, 07:50:45 AM well this is a bit of a mess innit pleeeeeeeennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnno
You gots a bluff catcher, are there any bluffs to catch is the question Title: Re: 400NL river shove? Post by: Patonius2000 on January 09, 2011, 08:54:01 AM I don't play much fr but I would fold the first time pf and fold the turn.
Title: Re: 400NL river shove? Post by: pleno1 on January 09, 2011, 03:46:25 PM well this is a bit of a mess innit pleeeeeeeennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnno You gots a bluff catcher, are there any bluffs to catch is the question norrrrrrrrrrrr, we don't have a bluff catcher, he alwaysssssss has KK/AA. Title: Re: 400NL river shove? Post by: Whollyflush on January 09, 2011, 03:51:28 PM trying to make ppl fold AA/KK in 3bet pots is generally a bad idea.
Title: Re: 400NL river shove? Post by: pleno1 on January 09, 2011, 03:52:10 PM trying to make ppl fold AA/KK in 3bet pots is generally a bad idea. really? Title: Re: 400NL river shove? Post by: SuuPRlim on January 09, 2011, 04:58:48 PM well this is a bit of a mess innit pleeeeeeeennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnno You gots a bluff catcher, are there any bluffs to catch is the question norrrrrrrrrrrr, we don't have a bluff catcher, he alwaysssssss has KK/AA. OH HANG ON. you've jammed the river, I thought he;d jammed and you were considering calling, my bad wow ur crazy boy Title: Re: 400NL river shove? Post by: AlexMartin on January 09, 2011, 05:01:26 PM c/r flop jam turn
Title: Re: 400NL river shove? Post by: pleno1 on January 09, 2011, 05:37:49 PM c/r flop jam turn hm I like that line if we know that the J is going to come on the turn, but I doubt we get many folds if it peels off a 2-5. Thought process on the river was, the hands we would bet for value are now, 89, qk, 10x, jj. EVERY SINGLE OTHER HAND we have has showdown value so it would be really stupid for us to bluff... river chat after I shoved.. (tanked down to 1 second before shoving) Marc Karam: lol Dealer: Marc Karam has 15 seconds left to act Dealer: Marc Karam has requested TIME Marc Karam: so sick u turn that Marc Karam: AhAs Dealer: Cornie4ever wins the pot ($413) Title: Re: 400NL river shove? Post by: pleno1 on January 09, 2011, 05:40:36 PM well this is a bit of a mess innit pleeeeeeeennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnno You gots a bluff catcher, are there any bluffs to catch is the question norrrrrrrrrrrr, we don't have a bluff catcher, he alwaysssssss has KK/AA. OH HANG ON. you've jammed the river, I thought he;d jammed and you were considering calling, my bad wow ur crazy boy yeah converter is shit. http://www.pokerstrategy.com/poker-hand-converter/handreplayer/forum/571364/ easier to watch on there. Title: Re: 400NL river shove? Post by: GreekStein on January 09, 2011, 05:43:42 PM c/r flop jam turn hm I like that line if we know that the J is going to come on the turn, but I doubt we get many folds if it peels off a 2-5. agree Title: Re: 400NL river shove? Post by: AlexMartin on January 09, 2011, 05:49:00 PM c/r flop jam turn hm I like that line if we know that the J is going to come on the turn, but I doubt we get many folds if it peels off a 2-5. Thought process on the river was, the hands we would bet for value are now, 89, qk, 10x, jj. EVERY SINGLE OTHER HAND we have has showdown value so it would be really stupid for us to bluff... river chat after I shoved.. (tanked down to 1 second before shoving) Marc Karam: lol Dealer: Marc Karam has 15 seconds left to act Dealer: Marc Karam has requested TIME Marc Karam: so sick u turn that Marc Karam: AhAs Dealer: Cornie4ever wins the pot ($413) sorry, misread hh, thought JT9 Title: Re: 400NL river shove? Post by: pleno1 on January 09, 2011, 05:50:09 PM c/r flop jam turn hm I like that line if we know that the J is going to come on the turn, but I doubt we get many folds if it peels off a 2-5. Thought process on the river was, the hands we would bet for value are now, 89, qk, 10x, jj. EVERY SINGLE OTHER HAND we have has showdown value so it would be really stupid for us to bluff... river chat after I shoved.. (tanked down to 1 second before shoving) Marc Karam: lol Dealer: Marc Karam has 15 seconds left to act Dealer: Marc Karam has requested TIME Marc Karam: so sick u turn that Marc Karam: AhAs Dealer: Cornie4ever wins the pot ($413) sorry, misread hh, thought JT9 Ahhhh ok, makes sense. And as played... Spew? Title: Re: 400NL river shove? Post by: gribbo on January 09, 2011, 07:10:57 PM think its a bit optimistic opening and calling the 3bet pre, would fold this preflop. line does look vv strong though.
Title: Re: 400NL river shove? Post by: SuuPRlim on January 09, 2011, 08:32:54 PM Has to be a massive spew surely?
I am stunned that he folded Title: Re: 400NL river shove? Post by: DMorgan on January 09, 2011, 09:10:38 PM Has to be a massive spew surely? I am stunned that he folded +1 folding turn Title: Re: 400NL river shove? Post by: pleno1 on January 09, 2011, 09:43:18 PM Has to be a massive spew surely? I am stunned that he folded nor really? he cant beat anything innit./ in before: qj. Title: Re: 400NL river shove? Post by: SuuPRlim on January 10, 2011, 12:15:57 AM but you rep practically nothing, Td Th or Jd Jh only 3 combos
If im Marc Karam I go "wow he might have quads here" as im clicking the call btn Sick one to get through tho nh nh Title: Re: 400NL river shove? Post by: pleno1 on January 10, 2011, 12:44:38 AM but you rep practically nothing, Td Th or Jd Jh only 3 combos If im Marc Karam I go "wow he might have quads here" as im clicking the call btn Sick one to get through tho nh nh KQ/89/10J,109,JJ,99. Title: Re: 400NL river shove? Post by: pleno1 on January 10, 2011, 12:58:24 AM and I think the combo of hands we could have that we are bluffing with is smaller than 1010/JJ for value.
Title: Re: 400NL river shove? Post by: Whollyflush on January 10, 2011, 01:32:59 AM i'd bet a handsome amount he didn't have aces here, unfortunately we'll never know :P
Title: Re: 400NL river shove? Post by: Whollyflush on January 10, 2011, 01:36:57 AM and I think the combo of hands we could have that we are bluffing with is smaller than 1010/JJ for value. ninja edit misread hand my bad. Title: Re: 400NL river shove? Post by: GreekStein on January 10, 2011, 02:11:42 AM i'd bet a handsome amount he didn't have aces here, unfortunately we'll never know :P ok ur on, i'll bet 3 alex martins and 2 matt russells. Title: Re: 400NL river shove? Post by: Whollyflush on January 10, 2011, 02:23:00 AM ICWUDT :)
Title: Re: 400NL river shove? Post by: SuuPRlim on January 10, 2011, 05:21:37 AM but you rep practically nothing, Td Th or Jd Jh only 3 combos If im Marc Karam I go "wow he might have quads here" as im clicking the call btn Sick one to get through tho nh nh KQ/89/10J,109,JJ,99. you should never have KQ/89/99 on the turn, fair enough tiy MAY have JT, but I really dont think you should have any more than you should have QJ. In credit though, you dont/shouldn't have many/any bluffs either, but when you're repping SUCH thin value I think it's ambitious to expect AA/KK to fold ever. Title: Re: 400NL river shove? Post by: LOLICALL on January 10, 2011, 08:44:23 AM i'd bet a handsome amount he didn't have aces here, unfortunately we'll never know :P Are you familiar with rush full ring? I'd bet net worth on AA :) Title: Re: 400NL river shove? Post by: SuuPRlim on January 10, 2011, 10:12:42 PM i'd bet a handsome amount he didn't have aces here, unfortunately we'll never know :P Are you familiar with rush full ring? I'd bet net worth on AA :) If people fold AA here then how do you make any money from this game? |