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Bought a % of a friend in 5 400nl rush tables and this hand came up..

Hand #27189683813 begins at 2011/01/11
Dealing down cards
Dealt to Cornie4ever [8c 8h]
zr1bluevette posts the small blind of $2
Starsky 71 posts the big blind of $4
rincas folds.
Tiky Taka folds.
Cornie4ever raises to $12.
xxxlargeballs folds.
Lonnegan2 folds.
Hakimakli calls $12.
nevermo raises to $48.
zr1bluevette folds.
Starsky 71 folds.
Cornie4ever calls $36.
Hakimakli folds.
Dealing Flop [4d 5h 9h]
Cornie4ever checks.
nevermo bets $72.
Cornie4ever calls $72.
Dealing Turn [6c]
Cornie4ever checks.
nevermo bets $184.
Cornie4ever raises to $425.

What is villains calling/shoving range?  His stats are.. 3bet LP 11% and AF 7flop/4turn/2river

stack size pls

fml, both started with $920 effective.

I really think that, trying ot make anyone fold AA in a 3bet pot is always going to be un-profitble

The money you make when he folds will rarely make up for the times he gets stubborn

The only way you're getting anyone to fold aces here is to flat the turn and hope for a killer river card.

Something like the  7h should do it.

Only problem then is that you want him to call.

Trying to make people fold Aces in holdem in 3 bets pots is just burning money even in rush poker id say

Never played rush but surely if everyone is always polarised to AA in these 3 bet pots then we should always be min raising with 88 here rather than 3xing? In the long run saves a lot of $$$

I'm lost. why do we put someone with 11% 3b on aces?

What hands do we think he continues with here? (We are 200bb deep)

Because we now know that had had aces obv.

hmmm I fold.

imo if villain can put hero on a set, I think he def folds AA as they are deep.  Is villain likely to think that hero would open with any pair? 

FWIW i dont think the attempt is horrible - but folding AA is usually villain dependant.

You are MUCH more likely to get him to fold on a drier board thou like 4 6 9 rainbow - because you are then repping sets or air really

The prob with your line is you can also be repping combos and with 1 card to come he might just think "fk it ill go for the fade!"

Ive played a fair but of rush (although not 2/4), but most players arent in the habit of folding AA

Is villain a reg?

Villain is $1k winner over 1200 hands. He is aggro, but decent. Yes hero would be opening any pair.  Sometimes folding tiny pairs, but never folding a pair to a 3bet this deep I don't think, although folding this deep wouldn't be terrible at all.

Don't think this is right.

the first bit? and why?

When you rep sets/air ppl often put you on air and don't hero fold when you rep so few combo's.

When the board is highly co-ordinated and you can rep all sets, a number of 2 pair combo's, str8's and flushes people are more likely to give you the benefit of the doubt.

yea ok - i think my comments need to be taken with the "they are either inclined or not to fold AA" as well

but yeah i get your point

and your thoughts on the hand?

Im actually unsure to be honest, one of the reasons i don't play Rush as its hard to get reads and im guessing its best to play GTO strat. Deep is interesting because with 100bb stacks regs generally polarise there 3betting range IP, however the deeper stacks get you should simply 3bet the top end range of hands. Some regs will play the same however and therefore this board could potentially smash there hand, you do have 2 blockers to the nuts i guess.

So yeh as clear as mud and sitting on the fence :)

He INSTA jammed :( obv folded.

his turn sizing dissuades me from jamming. gr8 spot for executing this plan though.

Does making it $415 not make it stronger, thus gaining more fold equity?