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Title: Stars 20 cubed pre antes, I want to cawl!!!! Post by: titaniumbean on January 18, 2011, 10:51:01 PM This is after the addon, before antes come into play. No real reads on villain, when he bets the turn I quickly opr'ed him and he was BE/slight winner (like 3% roi but it's a small sample so meh) over a small sample at 10-50$ donkies. He was 9 tabling on stars at the time 3r/11's up to DNG.
His hud stats had him at 25/20/14%3b or something with most of his 3 bets coming from the blinds. His bet sizing on the turn had me just go erm what sorry wat is dis. Poker Stars, $20 + $2 NL Hold'em Tournament, 100/200 Blinds, 9 Players LeggoPoker.com Hand History Converter MP1: 15,166 Hero (MP2): 17,134 CO: 15,450 BTN: 3,616 SB: 6,928 BB: 22,055 UTG: 10,478 UTG+1: 10,750 UTG+2: 14,675 Pre-Flop: (300) 2 napkins dealt to Hero (MP2) 4 folds, Hero raises to 450, 3 folds, BB raises to 1,145, Hero calls 695 Flop: (2,390) 9c 2d Kh (2 Players) BB bets 1,245, Hero calls 1,245 Turn: (4,880) 5h (2 Players) BB bets 3,185, Hero ?? What rivers are we calling down on ? What is the weakest hand we are getting into stubborn mode with?! What ranges are we putting villain on? Title: Re: Stars 20 cubed pre antes, I want to cawl!!!! Post by: Rupert on January 19, 2011, 03:37:57 AM It's pretty hard to critique any street without your hand. I guess vs someone who has such a high 3 bet the first time we peel i'd have a pretty strong range of something like 88+ AQ AK KQ maybe AJ and also some scs/one gappers. On flop i'm calling 99+ AK KQ maybe AQ too if i'm feeling a bit oooh bit errr. Turn I probs station again just cos there's a ton of stuff he's 3 betting and not a ton that can 3 barrel so he's not really repping much and doubt he merges even with QQ here but he can certainly have 99 KK AK KQ maybe random shit like K9 KT KJ and tons of weird bluffs I expect JT QT 78 some guys just randomly spazz out with A4s and other similar hands here too so i'd call the turn again with most of my range if this is the first time we've played back. I mean we don't really have a ton of reads here but given that he's 9 tabling he's probably ok so i'd kinda expect him to give up on rivers... Post your actual hand next time tho
Title: Re: Stars 20 cubed pre antes, I want to cawl!!!! Post by: SuuPRlim on January 19, 2011, 07:43:16 AM It's pretty hard to critique any street without your hand. I guess vs someone who has such a high 3 bet the first time we peel i'd have a pretty strong range of something like 88+ AQ AK KQ maybe AJ and also some scs/one gappers. On flop i'm calling 99+ AK KQ maybe AQ too if i'm feeling a bit oooh bit errr. Turn I probs station again just cos there's a ton of stuff he's 3 betting and not a ton that can 3 barrel so he's not really repping much and doubt he merges even with QQ here but he can certainly have 99 KK AK KQ maybe random shit like K9 KT KJ and tons of weird bluffs I expect JT QT 78 some guys just randomly spazz out with A4s and other similar hands here too so i'd call the turn again with most of my range if this is the first time we've played back. I mean we don't really have a ton of reads here but given that he's 9 tabling he's probably ok so i'd kinda expect him to give up on rivers... Post your actual hand next time tho I've not read a single word of this but id be VERY suprised if i don't +1 it/pretned to have thought this before rupert posted where in actual fact i didn't/don't know anything nearly as complex :) Title: Re: Stars 20 cubed pre antes, I want to cawl!!!! Post by: pleno1 on January 19, 2011, 09:59:09 AM what do you have sir?
Title: Re: Stars 20 cubed pre antes, I want to cawl!!!! Post by: titaniumbean on January 19, 2011, 03:24:22 PM Well I feel my hand was stronger than most of what i'd want to call with, If we have like 66-TT except 99 obv then we are peeling and folding some rivers?
We had a queen with a king blocker in this specific example but as I played it I was thinking hmm i'd wanna call with a 5 here.... Title: Re: Stars 20 cubed pre antes, I want to cawl!!!! Post by: TommyD on January 19, 2011, 07:25:08 PM Well I feel my hand was stronger than most of what i'd want to call with, If we have like 66-TT except 99 obv then we are peeling and folding some rivers? We had a queen with a king blocker in this specific example but as I played it I was thinking hmm i'd wanna call with a 5 here.... I can see where you're coming from. Super dry flop, he makes a just over 1/2 Pot C-bet and follows it up with a just under 2/3 pot barrel when a brick hits the turn. Screams 'I want you to fold' followed by 'I really want you to fold.' I guess he could have a set/K9 (the later more unlikely but he does have a high 3bet figure so maybe) and is trying to milk some value out of you but after your call on the flop you either have a piece or you're floating, which makes a check a good way for the villain to go with a monster. Personally I'd probably only continue TT+ (maybe the 9) in case he's turned a mid pockets or a bare 9 effectively into a bluff. Then again I can become nitty in these spots. The 5 could well be good though. Title: Re: Stars 20 cubed pre antes, I want to cawl!!!! Post by: Spraggs on January 20, 2011, 05:49:20 PM 66-88 is close, and i would go with my instincts on these.
9x (A9s 9T etc) i am callin, as with any K and TT+ (throw in TJ/JQhh becoz im probably floating that flop with TJ/JQ hh/dd/cc) then again, having turned a flush draw i am probably shoving turn rather than flatting again vs villain. |