Title: Help please - correct line? Post by: Nakor on January 19, 2011, 10:26:32 AM The below hand seems to devide opinion, mainly my opinion and everyone else's :)
I am aware my actual actions were incorrect, but it seems if I was to play this again I would take a different line to some - and I do fear it means one of my fundemental principles of the game is floored, so I seek help. What should be my line? All opinions welcomed. We are down to 19, villian and I have not clashed previously and he has only been on my table for 20 hands or so after a rebalance. Full Tilt Poker Game #27336327014: Super Stack $10K Guarantee (212120630), Table 1 - 6000/12000 Ante 1500 - No Limit Hold'em Seat 1: AquaeSulis (282,976) Seat 2: ISMOOKING (459,238) Seat 3: Hero (395,522) Seat 5: Seby95 (244,519) Seat 6: Villian (436,924) Seat 7: labrocks (1,275,921) Seat 9: semi_deja_vu (412,698) AquaeSulis antes 1,500 ISMOOKING antes 1,500 Hero antes 1,500 Seby95 antes 1,500 Villian antes 1,500 labrocks antes 1,500 semi_deja_vu antes 1,500 Seby95 posts the small blind of 6,000 Villian posts the big blind of 12,000 The button is in seat #3 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Hero [Ad Qd] labrocks folds semi_deja_vu folds AquaeSulis folds ISMOOKING folds Hero ? ? ? ? ? Title: Re: Help please - correct line? Post by: boldie on January 19, 2011, 10:46:08 AM Hero 30K
Title: Re: Help please - correct line? Post by: EvilPie on January 19, 2011, 10:50:11 AM Flawed*
Title: Re: Help please - correct line? Post by: GreekStein on January 19, 2011, 10:59:51 AM 26.5k, then jam if 3-bet or call if jammed on.
Title: Re: Help please - correct line? Post by: kinboshi on January 19, 2011, 11:13:36 AM Flawed* Floored works quite well too though. In an Audrey Harrison way. Title: Re: Help please - correct line? Post by: kinboshi on January 19, 2011, 11:16:56 AM 26.5k, then jam if 3-bet or call if jammed on. Obviously opening from the button means the Hero's range is pretty wide - but what does the BB 3-bet jam with here that we snap-call with? With some history and knowledge of the player the call might be trivial, but without this is it still a snap-call? If we were in EP and bet 30K, and then he 3-bets us, what's your line then? Title: Re: Help please - correct line? Post by: boldie on January 19, 2011, 11:37:56 AM 26.5k, then jam if 3-bet or call if jammed on. Obviously opening from the button means the Hero's range is pretty wide - but what does the BB 3-bet jam with here that we snap-call with? With some history and knowledge of the player the call might be trivial, but without this is it still a snap-call? I would say so, Yes. your opening range can be perceived as wide as it's a button raise so he can 3 bet/shove light. Having AQ makes it a pretty standard call then as you're ahead of his range. Leaving your other question as it's much trickier and not really relevant to this hand. Title: Re: Help please - correct line? Post by: ACE2M on January 19, 2011, 12:07:22 PM 26.5k, then jam if 3-bet or call if jammed on. i generally agree with this but what about a min raise 3 bet for example? any difference of thought? Title: Re: Help please - correct line? Post by: GreekStein on January 19, 2011, 12:18:49 PM 26.5k, then jam if 3-bet or call if jammed on. Obviously opening from the button means the Hero's range is pretty wide - but what does the BB 3-bet jam with here that we snap-call with? With some history and knowledge of the player the call might be trivial, but without this is it still a snap-call? If we were in EP and bet 30K, and then he 3-bets us, what's your line then? thats a completely different scenario Darny Pheyleaps. Range to 3-bet button open is much wider than any other position. Title: Re: Help please - correct line? Post by: pleno1 on January 19, 2011, 01:08:01 PM 26.5k, then jam if 3-bet or call if jammed on. this. Title: Re: Help please - correct line? Post by: kinboshi on January 19, 2011, 01:31:21 PM 26.5k, then jam if 3-bet or call if jammed on. Obviously opening from the button means the Hero's range is pretty wide - but what does the BB 3-bet jam with here that we snap-call with? With some history and knowledge of the player the call might be trivial, but without this is it still a snap-call? If we were in EP and bet 30K, and then he 3-bets us, what's your line then? thats a completely different scenario Darny Pheyleaps. Range to 3-bet button open is much wider than any other position. I know, that's why I mentioned it. What would your line be? Title: Re: Help please - correct line? Post by: GreekStein on January 19, 2011, 01:35:12 PM 26.5k, then jam if 3-bet or call if jammed on. Obviously opening from the button means the Hero's range is pretty wide - but what does the BB 3-bet jam with here that we snap-call with? With some history and knowledge of the player the call might be trivial, but without this is it still a snap-call? If we were in EP and bet 30K, and then he 3-bets us, what's your line then? thats a completely different scenario Darny Pheyleaps. Range to 3-bet button open is much wider than any other position. I know, that's why I mentioned it. What would your line be? Depends on the opener. If it's Moorman or Railtard I'm jamming, if it's you I try my best to split the muck in half. Title: Re: Help please - correct line? Post by: boldie on January 19, 2011, 01:36:32 PM 26.5k, then jam if 3-bet or call if jammed on. Obviously opening from the button means the Hero's range is pretty wide - but what does the BB 3-bet jam with here that we snap-call with? With some history and knowledge of the player the call might be trivial, but without this is it still a snap-call? If we were in EP and bet 30K, and then he 3-bets us, what's your line then? thats a completely different scenario Darny Pheyleaps. Range to 3-bet button open is much wider than any other position. I know, that's why I mentioned it. What would your line be? Depends on the opener. If it's Moorman or Railtard I'm jamming, if it's you I try my best to split the muck in half. rotflmfao very well said Title: Re: Help please - correct line? Post by: kinboshi on January 19, 2011, 02:25:59 PM 26.5k, then jam if 3-bet or call if jammed on. Obviously opening from the button means the Hero's range is pretty wide - but what does the BB 3-bet jam with here that we snap-call with? With some history and knowledge of the player the call might be trivial, but without this is it still a snap-call? If we were in EP and bet 30K, and then he 3-bets us, what's your line then? thats a completely different scenario Darny Pheyleaps. Range to 3-bet button open is much wider than any other position. I know, that's why I mentioned it. What would your line be? Depends on the opener. If it's Moorman or Railtard I'm jamming, if it's you I try my best to split the muck in half. No, you don't know the other player. Same as in the OP. The only difference is your position. Title: Re: Help please - correct line? Post by: Rupert on January 19, 2011, 02:27:01 PM Well preflops clearly an open so anything from 24k-30k is fine depending on how wide you are opening and what your perceived image is
Title: Re: Help please - correct line? Post by: Ironside on January 19, 2011, 03:04:54 PM Well preflops clearly an open so anything from 24k-30k is fine depending on how wide you are opening and what your perceived image is +1Title: Re: Help please - correct line? Post by: titaniumbean on January 19, 2011, 03:26:15 PM minraise, get 3 bet to 5 bigs, jam and get a fold. ez game.
Title: Re: Help please - correct line? Post by: toddswain on January 19, 2011, 05:47:33 PM 26.5k, then jam if 3-bet or call if jammed on. this. Pretty much this, although i prefer sticking to raises you been putting in previously |