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OK so I have my usual rep. Played lots of hands. 3 betting blah blah blah. Not showed any significant bluffs cept for one hand where I opened 10 3 and had to call it off.

My opponent in hand is Rudders. Not played with him too much.

I have around 60k at start of hand. Rudders had 35k.

Blinds are 1k/2k/200. Folds to me in sb I have KJ off.

Default line here is?

Played it fine.

Rudders in bb? against him i standard raise, fold to a shove.

Hate raise/folding 1517.5bbs effective against a competent reg.

Just seen he has more than 15bbs didn't you say 15bbs in update thread.Still think jamming is fine as I'm pretty sure his calling range is pretty tight,I'd guess he's folding some Ax hands.

Shoving against anyone, it is unexploitable.

Glad you posted this one George, as i often find myself getting into difficulty in these BOB situations. I would say that, although losing at showdown seriously damages your tournament chances,  the correct option is SHOVE.

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All u can eat baby !

Obv this just wanted to give Claire a good reason other than it's unexploitable to shove as some aren't thinking +ev etc.

Having read Shelley's "I think I may be pregnant" post I suspect that the blinds may well have been 300/600/50.

I think raise calling is miles better than shoving if stacks and blinds are correct in OP

Surely this is villain dependant though ? I've had ridic amounts to drink so will leave my post at that for now until I take a better look :)

i complete. i like rudders.

Got to agree with Dubai here (and not just because heee's a crab), don't know who rudders is or how he plays but raise-call is way better than a shove against virtually everyone because you get it in against a weaker range. If he's only shoving a range that we can't call against then raise-fold obv but I think that's pretty unlikely (we need 43% which we have if he's only shoving pairs and broadways) and if that is the case then we can lol and raise fold any 2 for mad profits against him.

don't underestimate the times we get peeled though, forcing us into playing a pot out of position. pretty tilting when the cbet doesn't get through either...

raise/call might get it in vs a weaker range but you're playing an all in pot more often than if you were to shove yourself, and KJ will only be flipping vs a bb shoving range anyway, so the variance is kinda high. and KJ is going to be in ok shape vs his calling a shove range too.

but yeh, to an all in, opponents will make some ridiculous folds, especially live... adding like 8% to our stack by doing it, im shoving>anything else

Well I jammed. I wasn't raise/folding so kinda went with the Dawg's thinking. He had Jacks so I spose unless I raise/fold I'm losing the hand anyway.

Against Rudders in this spot, raise fold is ok I think.

Makes little odds really... shove or raise call...ur still coolered... just unlucky to find JJ in BB in BvB scenario... as stated shoving on live nits is + ev as they are folding AJ here...and no im not joking

NigDawg said it a lot better than a would've :)

@NigDawg: I don't mind playing a pot against a bad player OOP with a hand that's better than their range. If they're good and are gonna peel and try to ruin our lives then yeah I prefer a shove. Unexploitable vs good players and exploitative vs bad players as always. I know you like to 3bet call 35bbs with KJo vs fish so I know this is a concept you struggle with...

@the sicilian: If they're the kind of person folding AJ to a shove they'll also flat it pre and fold to a cbet the times when they miss. Pretty sure this is a better result for us on average, although I might be wrong.

Hand flop great against hands that peel and obviously you choose to ignore the fact that we double up a number of times post, where he peels and flops 2nd best but would fold to a jam pre.

So true, was playing the Super 50 and were on bubble stack 60K think blinds were 3k - 6K + Ante i'd maybe not raised enough from the button but when passed round to me i shoved J 8 and Small Blind stack around 50K passed Ace Jack.. (wtf) Maybe the fact that we were on the bubble made him pass or my image, but still shocked me.. Think i'm a bit of a nit but never passing there..

this scenario really isn't my forte at all so perhaps shouldn't comment - but this sprung to my mind when i was reading the thread