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Title: Extracting Maximum Value from a Rivered Full House
Post by: WPIL on January 23, 2011, 12:50:31 PM
Live £40 Torney
77 Runners
Final Table
Blinds 3000/6000
Hero 170,000
Villain 110,000 (Another Pub Player)
Have re raised the Villians EP Raises at least 3 times in the last hour and now moved to FT I have position on him, villain has me down (as he told me) as someone who is at it
Blind on Blind
I river a full house JJJ22 and he his trip 2's are now a full house with 24k in the pot and he makes a bet of 20k. (He checked his Trips on both the Flop and Turn and I had checked behind)
Me?


Title: Re: Extracting Maximum Value from a Rivered Full House
Post by: Rupert on January 23, 2011, 03:28:10 PM
You seem to have missed out 3 streets of action, the board and your hand.


Title: Re: Extracting Maximum Value from a Rivered Full House
Post by: MTT DESTROYER on January 23, 2011, 03:53:30 PM
By your last two hands posted i'm taking "pub player" as someone whose game you respect.


Title: Re: Extracting Maximum Value from a Rivered Full House
Post by: WPIL on January 23, 2011, 04:47:37 PM
Rupert, seems I was cutting corners but here is the action
SB - Villain (Pub Player so someone to play straightforward with) - Raises to 12K
BB - Hero  Jh 9c Calls

Flop  2h 2d Js - Check, Check

Turn  8h - Check, Check

River -  Jc

Villain said after hand he should have raised the flop rather than trying to trap


Title: Re: Extracting Maximum Value from a Rivered Full House
Post by: mondatoo on January 23, 2011, 04:56:45 PM
I pretty much hate how you've played every part of this hand.

He has 18 bbs so peeling pre is just plain bad, happy for you to shove or fold but never flatting. We then flop pretty much as good as it gets and don't bet, why ? 100% cbet getting it in here. We then see a blank turn he checks again and we still don't bet, why ? I never check the flop but I'm certainy bet/snapping this turn. I'd never get to the river with the pot still at 24k but since you have we should obv ship it in and wonder how we run so good.


Title: Re: Extracting Maximum Value from a Rivered Full House
Post by: redarmi on January 23, 2011, 05:00:44 PM
Dont really know where to start here.....fold preflop probably.  Once you have called you have to bet the flop.  Once you get called then maybe shut down until you bink river at which point you bet again.  As played I would just shove.  Nobody ever folds a full house and certainly not one as underrepped as yours but really why are you calling pre with J9 and then not betting it when you hit on such a dry flop??  What were you hoping to flop??


Title: Re: Extracting Maximum Value from a Rivered Full House
Post by: WPIL on January 23, 2011, 05:39:58 PM
Thanks for your feedback Mondatoo and Redarmi - I will say I am quiet new too poker but decided at the start of the year to take it more seriously by coming on to Blonde, Posting Hands, Keeping Proper Records and as much as possible sticking to 1 variant of the game online. Will be posting many more hands and expecting to get ripped but happy for that as it is going to make me stronger/better. Feel that this hand was played badly by both parties and I did not push on the River but bet 55k which he called, should have pushed as I now believe he would have called (he pretty much crippled me later with my AK vs AQ and the Q on the Turn!)
cheers


Title: Re: Extracting Maximum Value from a Rivered Full House
Post by: AlexMartin on January 23, 2011, 05:52:06 PM
WPIL! welcome.


Title: Re: Extracting Maximum Value from a Rivered Full House
Post by: mondatoo on January 23, 2011, 05:53:39 PM
Thanks for your feedback Mondatoo and Redarmi - I will say I am quiet new too poker but decided at the start of the year to take it more seriously by coming on to Blonde, Posting Hands, Keeping Proper Records and as much as possible sticking to 1 variant of the game online. Will be posting many more hands and expecting to get ripped but happy for that as it is going to make me stronger/better. Feel that this hand was played badly by both parties and I did not push on the River but bet 55k which he called, should have pushed as I now believe he would have called (he pretty much crippled me later with my AK vs AQ and the Q on the Turn!)
cheers

Np,keep posting hands and reading other PHA threads.It's a great way to learn.GLGL with the pokers.


Title: Re: Extracting Maximum Value from a Rivered Full House
Post by: WPIL on January 23, 2011, 05:53:58 PM
Thanks AM


Title: Re: Extracting Maximum Value from a Rivered Full House
Post by: redarmi on January 23, 2011, 07:19:44 PM
Yep keep posting and listening to some of the posters on here.  They are amongst the best in the business.


Title: Re: Extracting Maximum Value from a Rivered Full House
Post by: SuuPRlim on January 24, 2011, 09:13:20 PM
Please, please, please start folding hands like this preflop

you can never win money with them

struggling to comment on post-flop tbh altho wat I would say is by the river you are not really repping much of a hand  and as it happens you have the nuts lol so a great spot to bet really big as I cant see him folding any pair


Title: Re: Extracting Maximum Value from a Rivered Full House
Post by: baltic_blonde on January 26, 2011, 07:16:44 PM
I pretty much hate how you've played every part of this hand.

He has 18 bbs so peeling pre is just plain bad, happy for you to shove or fold but never flatting. We then flop pretty much as good as it gets and don't bet, why ? 100% cbet getting it in here. We then see a blank turn he checks again and we still don't bet, why ? I never check the flop but I'm certainy bet/snapping this turn. I'd never get to the river with the pot still at 24k but since you have we should obv ship it in and wonder how we run so good.

+1, well explained.