Title: Inexploitable?? Post by: EvilPie on February 02, 2011, 10:35:46 PM 6 max comp.
5.5k chips. Blinds 200/400 but no antes. AJo in unopened pot on the button. SB covers us, BB about 4k. No reads because we've just been moved here. Also I'm watching tele so wouldn't have noticed anything anyway. Easy shove or not? Not sure because of lack of antes. Title: Re: Inexploitable?? Post by: outragous76 on February 02, 2011, 10:47:35 PM Very easy shove
Title: Re: Inexploitable?? Post by: booder on February 02, 2011, 11:03:48 PM Very easy shove Title: Re: Inexploitable?? Post by: gatso on February 02, 2011, 11:39:51 PM No reads because we've just been moved here. Also I'm watching tele so wouldn't have noticed anything anyway. try concentrating more so you're not wasting money if you were watching tv properly you'd timeout, wouldn't have to make decisions like this and would get proper value for your sky subscription Title: Re: Inexploitable?? Post by: Longines on February 02, 2011, 11:44:46 PM Unexcusable more like.
Title: Re: Inexploitable?? Post by: EvilPie on February 02, 2011, 11:46:17 PM No reads because we've just been moved here. Also I'm watching tele so wouldn't have noticed anything anyway. try concentrating more so you're not wasting money if you were watching tv properly you'd timeout, wouldn't have to make decisions like this and would get proper value for your sky subscription Poker gets difficult at 10 o'clock when the babestation tops come off. Title: Re: Inexploitable?? Post by: Longy on February 02, 2011, 11:48:54 PM yip
Title: Re: Inexploitable?? Post by: Dubai on February 03, 2011, 12:17:14 AM min raise call
Title: Re: Inexploitable?? Post by: buzzharvey22 on February 03, 2011, 02:25:43 AM min raise call assuming this is a live tourney isnt this a bit risky with their likeliness of peeling because they are live players? then our shallow stack size wont play great post flop. Title: Re: Inexploitable?? Post by: SuuPRlim on February 03, 2011, 02:58:47 AM min raise call assuming this is a live tourney isnt this a bit risky with their likeliness of peeling because they are live players? then our shallow stack size wont play great post flop. I wouldnt be too worried about this cos AJ crushes the hands they peel with and we're prolly going to be able to jam close to 100% of flops profitably when checked to Title: Re: Inexploitable?? Post by: Rupert on February 03, 2011, 03:19:18 AM me fail english, thats unpossible! -ralph wiggum
Title: Re: Inexploitable?? Post by: Whollyflush on February 03, 2011, 12:15:33 PM me fail english, thats unpossible! -ralph wiggum haha i was thinking this :P Title: Re: Inexploitable?? Post by: Spraggs on February 03, 2011, 02:10:49 PM Title: Re: Inexploitable?? Post by: Dubai on February 03, 2011, 02:29:16 PM completely incorrect. I have a minraise fold range here where others dont which means its perfectly fine for me to have a minraise call range to balance it
Title: Re: Inexploitable?? Post by: SuuPRlim on February 03, 2011, 04:21:46 PM prolly a cool spot to min-fold tons of hands as people will most likely assume you're not min-folding anything and fold waayyy waayyy to many hands
and dropping down to 11bbs when there are no antes is no big deal Title: Re: Inexploitable?? Post by: titaniumbean on February 03, 2011, 04:52:48 PM I think I prefer jam over mrC because without a read that the table or players in the blinds will reshove relatively light I think open jam will be better. Live players just barely reshove unless 'they have the hand' and they're going to adjust their calling ranges 'somewhat' for 6 max so I think just stick it in.
Title: Re: Inexploitable?? Post by: SuuPRlim on February 03, 2011, 04:57:42 PM I reckon there might even be a case to min-fold vs some and min-call vs other depending on the players left to act
Title: Re: Inexploitable?? Post by: titaniumbean on February 03, 2011, 04:59:49 PM I reckon there might even be a case to min-fold vs some and min-call vs other depending on the players left to act yeah totally, live ftw. Still need reads to fully decide. Title: Re: Inexploitable?? Post by: SuuPRlim on February 03, 2011, 05:01:17 PM this would defo be EXPLOITABLE though, but there is a large difference between EXPLOITABLE and EXPLOITED
Title: Re: Inexploitable?? Post by: titaniumbean on February 03, 2011, 05:03:33 PM this would defo be EXPLOITABLE though, but there is a large difference between EXPLOITABLE and EXPLOITED that's the whole point, if our opposition cant exploit then we can play exploitably Title: Re: Inexploitable?? Post by: SuuPRlim on February 03, 2011, 05:12:55 PM this would defo be EXPLOITABLE though, but there is a large difference between EXPLOITABLE and EXPLOITED that's the whole point, if our opposition cant exploit then we can play exploitably inexploitabley :) Title: Re: Inexploitable?? Post by: Spraggs on February 03, 2011, 05:33:25 PM This is online right?
I didnt notice that there were no ante's when i 1st read, although with our stack size of 13BBs it doesn't change anything for me. I understand if this is Live, min raise/folding could be an option vs a certain type of opponent, however he said he has no reads, and we have 13bigs, if we had 20+, and were just tryin apply pressure, minraise/folding pretty much atc here could be fine. With a short stack as we have, r/f is rly bad. Shove w/ or w/o antes. (bad players will call all in with hands such as JQ, KT etc.. however if you just minraise, they will just call rather than jam, you are losing equity from these hands when they whiff, and chk fold the flop.) Title: Re: Inexploitable?? Post by: EvilPie on February 03, 2011, 05:39:21 PM me fail english, thats unpossible! -ralph wiggum haha i was thinking this :P Sigh..... One spelling mistake in 4 years on the forum and it gets spotted. Bit misappointed that Gatso missed it though. Title: Re: Inexploitable?? Post by: gatso on February 03, 2011, 05:54:00 PM me fail english, thats unpossible! -ralph wiggum haha i was thinking this :P Sigh..... One spelling mistake in 4 years on the forum and it gets spotted. Bit misappointed that Gatso missed it though. sorry it looks fine to me though tbh but then so does unpossible Title: Re: Inexploitable?? Post by: EvilPie on February 03, 2011, 05:57:00 PM It's not live it's online.
It's on Skypoker though so standard is as bad as live. I thought about the raise call but the chance of being flatted in 1 or 2 spots is pretty high in these so risky this shallow. FWIW I jammed and got snapped by 44 and hit. Just wondered if I'd done the right thing. I think in a higher buy in tourney where there's more chance of being shoved on then raise call would be decent. Never ever raise folding against anyone unless they literally turn their hand face up and it's beating me. Title: Re: Inexploitable?? Post by: titaniumbean on February 03, 2011, 06:01:58 PM With this new information snap fist pump double pirouette. You'll get flatted if you min, you'll get peeled for your ai by Q high. fun times.
Title: Re: Inexploitable?? Post by: SuuPRlim on February 03, 2011, 06:06:02 PM This is online right? no, live 6-max tourney With a short stack as we have, r/f is rly bad. mmmmm I cant see how if you have EXTREMELY tight players (i.e they are folding A9/77 etc, which is pretty common live) in the blinds min-raise fold can ever be bad if there are no antes - I think vs these kind of players you could make a case for min-folding loadds and looads of hands, hoever the OP doesn't give any specific reads I realise If there was a more aggressive player in the SB and a Massive NIT in the BB I feel like nut line would be to min raise call off the SB and fold to the BB (again I realise thats a pretty specifc example) altho I do agree you could jam here and show a profit which is was Evil's initial question lol Title: Re: Inexploitable?? Post by: SuuPRlim on February 03, 2011, 06:08:27 PM sign ninja edit time posted just after two posts above
I thought it was live @ DTD for some reason ??? Yeah, ok, shove is quite probly the best line then, lol Title: Re: Inexploitable?? Post by: NoflopsHomer on February 05, 2011, 01:10:06 AM Min-raise/call is fine. Min-raise fold isn't terrible though vs some of the Skypoker nits who are never going to be exploiting you.
Title: Re: Inexploitable?? Post by: Simon Galloway on February 12, 2011, 09:20:42 AM completely incorrect. I have a minraise fold range here where others dont which means its perfectly fine for me to have a minraise call range to balance it If you know others don't, you should caveat that in the advice! |