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You are in a tourney 1500 starting chips 301 runners. second hand you get A T DIA..you are 2 off the bb and have had 1 limper, in for 20. you raised it to 100 and the limper is the only caller..flop comes out

Qd 8d 4s  Limper checks and you bet the pot..He then puts you all in

DO YOU CALL..

pot is 250+250+250 and then his all in of what about 1050, to 1k to win 1800, given his possible hands he might have, a flush draw is possible, and Q etc, its hand 1 therer are 300 runners... i am tempted to call and hope my ace is live.

no . could be slowplaying aces or queens, no need to risk your chips at this stage

GOOD ANSWERS GUYS

  I would call....your ace should be an out here and a double-up with the flush would give you a good start in the tourney


  But then again you saw me play tonite so ignore me :D

OK well infact im a fish so i couldnt lay it down and called

He was holding QQ so his all in was a good bet to chase off the flush draw. however i hit the 2 dia on the river. Not looking for a pat on the back, Just wondered how bad a call that is

Cheers guys

i might call, i like to get chips early in comps with that sort of field. he too could be drawing. sometimes i would sometimes i wouldnt

sharpy i thought you played great there tonight how did you end up?

Fold for me personally, im not risking all my chips here on a flush draw w/o odds. You would be a big dog if he has a set, he also could have your ace (ace queen for example). I would wait for a better spot, but i understand the reasoning behind getting an early double up but this is a bit too much like playing roulette for mine.

I'll go for no, don't like the idea of needing your ace to be live to get the odds. I always fold marginal hands in tournaments.

  I came 4th in the end.I pushed in on a Q high flop with a King because the guy had been nicking my big blind for the last 5 rounds..He had pocket Queens... >:?

 Anyway it is a matter of opinion and strategy as to wether that was a good or bad call..If you like to get chips early then yes it's a call,your 3-1 to hit the flush.On the net and it's not an overly big buy-in(as opposed to your bankroll) then I can see how you called this....Also you've got a flop that you would be looking for with this hand

I think your pot sized bet on the flop has commited you, you'll get re-raised all day if you pass now. You've almost got the odds to call and your damaged anyway if you don't. If you bet about half the pot on the flop then you can get away from the hand much easier.

Almost isn't good enough for me, especially in a tournament.

I understand the thinking behind it, players will notice you as a loose caller and not raise you without the goods in future. I just don't buy into it though. The other side of that coin is that you'll get more calls than perhaps you want. I see these two as cancelling each other out and percieve no extra value from a loose call.

300 runners to munch through, bolox to that get a stack or get out!

I had a similar hand happen last night, hand 3 or 4 of a MTT, i limped for 40 with A9d, the BB made it 200 to go i called. Flop Kd Jd 2c, he now leads out for 200, i felt he had maybe AQ/QQ something like that, so i stuck in a big bet to scare him off, he re-raised all in i called he had QQ. I missed but i dont really care, a chance to double up that early for 12 outs, i was hoping for a fold but i take the coin toss.

yes.

No.

Not my style, probably why I'm best suited to sit 'n gos.

I'm curious, to what extreme would you take this strategy? How much of the worst of it are you willing to take in your attempts to build a stack early on?

It depends on the field and the buyin tank.

I don't go looking for these situations, but if i find myself in one, with a large field then i am prepared to gamble, the next comp is only 5 mins away so i am more concered with $/hr than ROI

I would have limped the AT myself and just called with the draw.

I don't see how i should have limped here, so many times i've limped in with a good ish hand only for the BB to come in for free and hit 2 pair, maybe the pot sized bet was not so good and got me in a spot i didnt want to be in.But i was trying to shake this guy off MY POT

Once you raise pre flop you have to bet that flop.

There is no need to raise with AT though, if the bb flops 2 pair with rags it missed you anyway.

By raising with AT you drive out the hands you want in, A2-A9, AJ AQ AK will probably come into the pot, which means your reverse implied odds when the A hits are huge. Also what if you get 2 callers behind the flop comes Q72 and you are first to act? You fancy you can take it but have no idea what they have! I don't like getting in raised pots with weak aces in EP.

I don't like getting in raised pots with weak aces in EP.

I never call bets with rag aces (AJ or less) unless i'm very, very short.
A hand from the casino earlier saw a raise from UTG (with AK) and a call from a woman in the SB (with A6), an ace flops and basically the UTG guy milks her for 2/3rds of her stack.
She then says "had to call those bets there with the ace" to which a couple of folks on the table AGREE!!!
I wanted to slap her repeatedly and shout "WTF were you doing?, top pair was NEVER gonna be the hand you wanted in a raised pot!!"
Some people make me laugh.

If its a rebuy ill call if its a freezeout ill fold and find a better situation, Also dont like to raise much early in torneys because bets dont really buy enough info at this point, id flat call early in a torney with AJ in late pos even on the button, dont really want to mix it up to much at this stage. Plus like Flush said you might get lucky and have others come in with weak aces and think they are good beause no one has raised pre flop. Even if they do and you get out played it dosnt really matter becuase there is so little in the pot anyway.

But later a raise with A10 on the button with one limper is fair enough because there will be chips worth winning in the pot and you are taking the momentum and have position.

Yes as always i see your point guys. sometimes with little time to think you just act, thought it right at the time, as for a weak Ace, i agree, this is my cut off as far as A rag goes maybe i should be looking more to J or Q

Cheers..