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This is my journal for anybody interested in my pool adventures.

The bankroll I have is basically matched by anybody interested in betting. At the minute, GreekStein and ACE2M have put £250 each towards the pot, which I will match to make a bankroll of £1,000. If anybody else is interested I will match their stake to increase the bankroll.

RULES

•   No more than 20% of the bankroll is to be used for any one match regardless of format/player. I will consult all stakeholders if there’s a game where it’s worth taking more of a risk.

•   No ‘spin-up’ nonsense – I have 50% of the total bankroll and I do not want my half being on the line as anything can happen. If you see any opportunity for a spin-up, then we will do something outside of this agreement.

•   For all matches that I win, backers will recieve 75% on top of their stake, and I take 25%. So for example if I am using £200 of backers cash in a £400 a man game, they will recieve back the £200 stake, plus £150 on top, while I take £50.

•   I will record every match I play, the final scores so on and update to Blonde Poker as soon as is possible with details of how the ‘account’ is looking.

•   I will get what information I can on players from people I trust, before putting down the cash to play. This means I should always go into favourable matches.

As with anything, there is a risk of loss. But I trust in myself and my ability to make this a successful investment for both myself and for interested parties. I just have the make the disclaimer because of the possibility.

I hope this is fun to follow for you all, I’ll certainly enjoy the journey and build up a lot of experience, and hopefully all people involved can make a bit of money out of it :-)

Wish me luck guys... ;)

Baz

PEOPLE IN ON THE ACTION ARE:-

GreekStein (£250)
ACE2M (£250)
The Camel (£250)

Good luck Baz :)

Grim the Fkers  :D

Hell £500 was super easy for a few posts eh?

































In all seriousness GL fella  :)up

Cheers everybody, and Woodsey you made me lol :)

Interesting thread, something different, gl with this.

whens this kicking off?

Kicks off as of now, just got to get the money games going. :)

Just before I send you my £250, can you clarify things re the payouts, in as much detail as possible.

If you win one match for £200 and then lose the next for the same amount what happens with regards the monies?

As your proposal reads it sounds like us (the 50% stakers) would be down £50.

surely you only split profit after every week/month right?
Splitting after every game is redic

could be a while between games etc

This is what needs to be clarified.

You've got the maths right Cos, I had the maths retardedly wrong. 50/50 is fine for one off games I feel but not for this agreement, so here's what I'm going to do:-

Backers get stake back plus 75%, not 50%. So to use your maths based on three £200 matches where I put £100 and backers put £100 the bankroll balance will be:-

Game 1 (WIN)

Me (£500) = +£125 (my stakeback, plus double my stake, plus 25% of your winnings)
Backers (£500) = +£75 (your stakeback, plus 75% on top)

Game 2 (LOSE)

Me (£625) = -£100
Backers (£575) = -£100

Game 3

Me (£525) = +£125 (my stakeback, plus double my stake, plus 25% of your winnings)
Backers (£475) = +£75 (your stakeback, plus 75% on top)

Final bankrolls - Me £675 / Backers £550



It would take an awful lot to get into a situation where we either break even of run at a loss.

Does the maths make sense? First post edited to show 75% payback, not 50%.

Baz

I aim to play at least 4 decent sum money matches in a month period and plenty of small ones in between which will keep me in stroke and steadily add to the balance of the bankrolls.

Payout every month is best idea but this is down to the backer's own preference. I am accounting for all games no matter how big or small the same way, and all results/bankroll changes etc will be blogged as soon as I get to my computer. The backers can ask for any winnings at any time, but of course it seems impractical if I win a small game for say £25 per player to then transfer 3 or 4 quid to each backer! LOL

Ok no worries.

Maybe let's say a payout every month unless there haven't been 4 money matches in that month.

baz
where you from m8?

i will have a game if its not miles away.

alex

Where do I send my share?

I'd really like you to sort out a game with Karabiner before you play any money matches.

I'll send you my details privately.

As for Karabiner, I will not play at Nottingham Rileys. Believe me, it isn't me being an obstructive prat but I want to at least play on a table that has no rolls or dead cushions. I will have my own match table soon at Rileys in Leicester, but there is also Rack n Roll which has a good match table which I get free use of for money games!

I'll play the game as offered before, Race to 12 giving away 6 games on the wire, but I do feel it is a ridiculous ask just because I've beaten Daz Appleton in that format (in reverse)!

And to judge me on such a game as a basis of whether to back me or not, is again slightly skewed. I know nothing of Karabiners abiliy, or what he was like when he used to 'hold a stick in anger'. And the mindset of giving away a handicap that large is not something I am used to. And not something I'll ever be doing in any money matches I play!!!

I'm  basically being asked to play a ringer and give a massive start away. It's just a bit crazy that's all. I only mentioned the Daz game to show I can cope with playing a professional without losing the plot. Not for bragging rights.

Ralph aint a ringer, just a well respected member of the forum. Mr Russell took us both to pieces.
Nothing wrong with the table we had at Notts Rileys.
Happy to travel over with Ralph to Leicester.
Dont think Camel was implying there had to be a wager on the match, just more a showing to Ralph??

if the table is gash don't even entertain it baz. get yourself over to leicester for a couple of hours gents, our boy is going to run you over.

Which tables gash?

notts rileys?

Wondered if it was some in particular?

Sure Matt and Ralph will back me up in saying there didnt appear to by anything wrong with any of the tables around us when we were there.

desperately trying to not sound like a wanker but have you played to any sort of decent level? If you haven't that kind of thing is lost on you.

Ha ha

Lol dont worry about it, im used to sounding a wanker myself  ;)

Both Matt and I have played national pool tournaments, uk 8 ball of course because american pool has no real skill involved, and Ralph appears to have played all over the country if not world.

As said I am happy to join in over in Leicester if I am invited, plus I know Rileys Notts used to be wank, but so were most Rileys.

Just think Rileys Notts appears to be okay.

Baz, Can you sort a few hours to play some racks with the gents? Sounds like they might be able to offer something to your journey advice wise? never hurts to have a few more connections about the place.

Actually the table we played a week or so back was pretty good apart from one deadish rail below the head-string but it was perfectly playable and there were no noticeable rolls, the balls never left the rails and the pockets were fine. The balls were not the greatest but again perfectly playable.

Matt definitely gave us a bit of a spanking on the night but we can all play fairly decently.

I used to be a fair snooker player 25 years ago, I even made a couple of 100+ breaks back then so I do have some sort of idea what I'm talking about and it would be nice to judge fugly's speed personally.

If he were to make a favourable impression I'm sure it would benefit his credibility.

When you're asking for money from people it's not unreasonable for them to want to check out your ability first. If Ray Reardon and a couple of pub pool players want to rock into town to play a few frames then fine, just take them to fugly school. All this I don't like the way the balls roll in Nottingham is ridic mate. Just turn up, couple of cannonball breaks whatever and your ability is clearer to those you seek investment from. You need more arrogance in this game and I know exactly what i'm talkin about having watched Colour of Money several times. gl.

The quoted bold part tilts me! Loads of skill in 9-ball. Good luck trying to beat anyone decent :P

The tables I refer to that are crap at Notts is the tables 3 and 5 in particular, where the floor isn't safe and there is massive roll on the tables The tables at the back of the club are okay, but dirtier than Jordan!

More than welcome to come to Leicester any time this week. As long as it's before Saturday when I have Money Match TV. Give me a ring or text to sort out - number is 07909672227.

I'm not annoyed with anybody asking to see me play. I see it as perfectly reasonable, but I shouldn't be expected to play at a crap club. I have two perfectly good match tables in Leicester to choose from, with proper set of Aramith Pro-Cup TV balls. A players ability cannot be demonstrated properly on rubbish equipment. You cannot expect to kick 3 or 4 rails or even get close if every rail is as dead as a dodo or rebounds different. Proper match balls also play accurately and aren't dead. You get a true reflection of somebodys ability.

Sure, but then again give Tiger Woods a set of hire clubs and some range balls and the man would still blaze round the course. Yea he could perform better with quality equipment but anyone could still see at a glance he has skillz.

For what would be just a friendly game, with a bit of banter, would it really matter the state of the tables?

If you give Tiger some shitty clubs he'd only blaze round the course if he first agreed to play with the shitty clubs.

If you send Lewis Hamilton round Silverstone in a Daweoo Matiz you might be able to show he's a decent enough driver but if you're thinking of hiring him to drive on your F1 team best have a look see what he can do in an F1 car.

Yah, but fugly isn't trying out for the Mosconi cup here he's hustlin the local market. I don't know how successful his ruse will be if he insists on playing with Aramith Pro-Cup TV balls when negotiating a match up.

It wouldn't be just a friendly game for Baz tho. It sounds like the plan is for potential investors to use the match to evaluate his abilities.  

I have no idea what a Mosconi Cup is but probs the people who compete in it didn't earn the oppurtunity to do so by treating everything that wasn't a Mosconi Cup like it was an inconsequential muckabout.

Could prob play on a dining table and assess his ability. Well, not quite, but you know what I mean.

Yah I would say performing when conditions are adverse prob tells you more about overall sporting ability than performing when conditions are perfect.

I would have been interested in this if i lived closer and could get to see Baz play, as I don't know him.
Pretty much the same for investors. Ralph is stating the tables are okay, which should be perfectly acceptable for a few friendly competitive games to show what you can do.
Anyone who has played in serious comps/tours in England will tell you that there is shite tables everywhere. It's how you react to it, that shows what kind of player you are. Better players will always be able to read a table, and play accordingly

Not hustling lol. Just using my reputation as a chopper (because I've only been playing 9-ball for a year) to get matchups that are in my favour, and winding up enough locals who insist 'they will one day beat me' that they get their cash on the table. Sad thing is for them, I play better than most of the idiots who've played 15 years whether it be snooker or 8ball or whatever lol.

When any match up is discussed with any player who plays pool properly, Aramith match balls are always used. At the flyer tournaments (non-ranked at clubs) all the players bring their own sets to avoid using club balls.

The main reasons to avoid club balls are 1) Never clean 2) most sets 5-10 years old 3) the balls arent perfectly round 4) all weigh different amounts 5) cueballs often are dead and give no reaction at all

You cannot screw back a cueball very far or very accurately if it is either dead or weighs more than the other balls.

Depends HOW adverse the conditions are. I can handle a table with slow cloth or cushions that spit out at the wrong angle, but let me tell you that even the pro's cannot adjust 100% to ridiculously bad tables. It turns games into a leveller because there is no real time to adjust in a match. If a cushion is dead, it won't react the same every time and it makes things like banking (doubling the ball) or kicking (escaping out of snookers) something of a lottery, more than a precise science.

if we're gonna use analogy here then let's use the fact that Cricketers don't play under 'bad light'. Tennis gets abandoned when it rains. F1 races get abandoned when heavy rain comes. So if there are things in other sports that are deemed unacceptable, why should it be that pool players accept anything and everything?

Not arguing, I'm just keen on this discussion in general and interested in everybody's views. :)

I go to wakefield sometimes. Will be there this Saturday for Money Match TV. But can let you know (in advance) when I'm up north and if you want to play/see me play then we can do.

There are crap tables everywhere, you are right. But if I'm being given a chance to demonstrate that I have knowledge of the game and am looking for potential investment you can be sure I'll be after the best table possible.

Go play with ralph but sack hopkin off, he is a complete pool nit. Takes like 2 mins per shot.

lol sounds like a guy I took £100 off on Thursday afternoon. Race to 25 took 7 hours! He was so slow averaged out at 10 minutes per rack.

[ ] I oppose the use of shot clocks on slow players

Me and hopkin played for a nifty at turny's place in luton. Oh my that was boring. Watching him chalk up, judge a shot, stand back up, walk round the table, get back up, then finally break. :)

He makes terry griffiths look like ronnie

Thinly veiled 'I lost to Hopkin' post? :P

BTW Stuart - do you have a relative called Dave Hopkin who plays out of Notts Rileys? If so he's a good player! :)

Dave is stu's brother

10 mins per rack at 9 ball, I would of fallen asleep halfway through the game!

Ahhhhh :)

Sorry I stand corrected, Stu only has a sister, she just looks a lot like Dave Hopkin

lol.. i like this..
Sounds a bit like me.. Hate the 60 second clock in worlds rules tho...

Lol

I dont normally take that long

If I remember though you tried to hustle me?

Id had 15 pints, and you got a frame headstart in a best of 5?

Think Im aloud to take a little longer than normal to make sure I can focus.

hustle you? Sure have ever played pool seriously. Sure had picked up a cue before that day in about 3 years. We just agreed 1-0 best of 5 was fair.

You were standing and talking just fine buddy, although as Kev, Rooks and Turny can attest, you did gimply limp off home an hour later.

You're allowed (correct spelling) to take as long as you like, it's just ghey.

Ha ha
Massive hustle I couldnt see! Remember the first night in Vegas when you got drunk? I had drunk triple what you did that night.
I love to limp off, one thing that is more fun than drinking is sleeping.
Dont normally take very long though, maybe it was just too enjoyable, thanks for the hundo.

xx

sure i'd still be able too see the cue ball after 15 pints...

Any games lined up yet..?

Not until next week at earliest. I have a match tomorrow on Money Match TV (Vegas Bar, Wakefield on www.cuesport.tv) against a chap called Brendan Leigh, but the money had been arranged before any backing agreement here was in place, so no money is on this. However, it's another good chance for me to get experience, and money match TV is different to just putting your cash on the lights. The walk-on, the interview and the hazy smoke machines make it a different experience.

From next week onwards where I have control of everything, thats when the games start.

One match already arranged to be played at the Hurricane Room (St Albans) on Saturday March 5th vs Mark Lovell. £200 a man Race to 19 Winner breaks.

I'll have a chance tomorrow to arrange some games in wakefield after my match.

Going to bed, got an early start tomorrow gotta set out at 7.30 to make it to wakefield for 10am (I'm on at 11am!!!)

Baz

Am i missing something or could people concerned with fuglybaz's ability not just watch this match on cuesporttv?

shescoytedly

That would be nice in theory but I'm on the undercard match so don't get televised. Theres regular commentary on scores etc so theyll probably say how Im playing etc especially as they'll have interest as they from leicester too :)

Wooooooooooooooo!

Won on Money Match TV 21-10. Didn't play particularly well after going 9-1 up. Hard to focus 100% when you get that much of a lead and your opponent isn't firing any bullets at you. Lessons to be learned, but made a lot of great shots and have confidence that I can play again and have a lot more in the tank.

The guy I stuffed wants a 2-legged rematch starting in Manchester (Deansgate Rileys) and finishing in Leicester (Rack n Roll). Once I've had time to consider t&c's this match will happen, so that's a match to be arranged :)

I am playing a chap called Mark Lovell on Saturday March 5th. Venue tbc and I'm going to try to get him to play for more than £200. Will probably be played in Birmingham or Solihull. Can't be arsed to travel to St Albans for a £200 a man match especially when we both live in the Midlands!!!

Play the manchester match and i'll come and watch.

Will make sure I get it on then mate. Gotta make sure all money is posted before hand and discuss amounts etc.

Is there a quality venue in St Albans?

Apparently the Hurricane Room is a quality venue and every table is being reclothed soon.

It's changed hands a good few times.  Last time I was in there, it wasn't a quality venue.  I will try and check it out and lyk.

Yo, is it too late for me to get involved in this?

Might also be interested in a game if you do ever meet up with people, I'm not that good but I can run a couple of racks on a good day. Just to give me an idea of what sort of level ur at.. do you know ppl like Adam Shaw and Rich Wharton? If so how do you compare?

Hi mate, never too late to get involved with this. The higher the bankroll the more money that can be made if I win by both groups! :)

I'm happy to meet up for a friendly game with you whenever you like. Where do you live/play out of?

To compare my skill to another player can be dangerous, but I will tell you that in the run up to the money match the weekend, I finished 1-1 in sets against a player called Andy Barnett who's in GB9 Pro division along with Adam Shaw. He won 10-9 I won 10-4 with a 3 start. Pretty much didn't let him to the table! :)

I have taken a lot of sets off Ben Moore who is another class amateur act, has played pro before and is as good as Barney and Adam when his head is on it. As it was double or quits he eventually won the set he needed to to level the money out but again, play really well against him.

In a warm up money match against a player called Mark Lovell, I broke and ran 5 of my 21 racks where I had the break - a 25% break and run ratio which is higher than that of players on GB9 Challenge tour!

I am not of that ability all of the time, but I do possess a good quality game in general.

Got a match arranged for either next Thursday or Thursday after for £200 a man at Vegas Bar in Wakefield.

Playing a kid I should be beating most of the time (from various sources). Game is 9-ball, Race to 21, winner breaks, I am giving away a ball spot handicap. He is allowed to use the 7ball as if it is the 9ball, but he must call the pocket it goes into. So no 7ball off the break, he must nominate a pocket :)

Anybody close to leicester fancy a trip up to watch and sweat out the match?

is this on the stake?

Yes. Cos sent me his £250 (well he grimmed of 1p lol). I got £100 and you have £50 each.

I'm off out but if you wanna discuss then drop me a text or call me mate

I'm not quite understanding why you are spotting a guy that you've never played before Baz.

Obviously none of my business but just asking anyway.

I did wonder this myself.

Because I've been told of his level of play by people who have my interests at heart (friends in Yorkshire). He wanted me to start on -4 in race to 21 and I do not give head starts as a general rule. he said no start no game so I got some advice and call 7 spot was advised.

You see, the call 7 spot is actually a bit of a con because if he's not good enough to run to 7 ball anyway (which he isn't) then he won't get to win games early. And while I'm in control of the table it doesn't matter what spot you have.

He's a guy trying to look good getting into the action, but all he is to my standard is a fish.

That answer is good enough for me.

Gl mr french

Good luck Fella...

Am I still in?

I haven't sent any money yet.

You can be mate ;)

Will PM you my details you need.

Can u update op baz to show who has what action etc?

FML get a facebook message this morning from the guy I meant to be playing tomorrow

"Sorry pal, can't play Thursday now as I forgot it's my sisters birthday on friday, and I don't want to gamble her birthday present money. Can we play next week?"

How can you forget your own sisters birthday? Rearranged for next Thursday now, but I'm not happy about it in slightest.

As I told Cox yesterday, I couldn't get a lift to Daventry to play the midnight money match. The one lift offer I had, the drive got too drunk to drive!!! Can't manage a 6 or 7 legged 3 hour journey to Daventry on my own as I don't travel well when reliant on Public Transport.

Having a serious think about the whole thing now to be honest. I need to be looking for local games and just turning up and throwing some challenges out there. The people who want to play me generally bottle it because they know they can't win or their backers tell them to pull out. Got a certain prick killing my action at every opportunity, which is annoying.

I have a friend locally who has a strong business head and doesn't take any shit whatsoever. I'm gonna see if he's interested in managing me, in a sense of the word. He has lots of experience in finding the right games and knows all the angles, so I'm hopeful he may be able to help me.

One game I'm going to negotiate today is a match against a player who plays in the local Rack N Roll (Leicester) 9-ball league. He's placed in bottom of Division 2 while I'm 2nd in Division 1, but he thinks he's better than he is so is always up for a game. I've proposed a match for £100-£150, Best of 31 sets race to 4 in each set. Will be a 2 day match if we do it, as it will be a max of 217 racks. Can't justify playing for much more because we are friends.

Maybe Dubais idea of spinning up against a fish who can't hold a cue was a better idea lol

Any news?

Can you at least break down your bankroll, whose got what share of your action?

Just been typing a PM to you, Cos and Tom.

Can I give you a bell?

I'm still up for a bit of this too, although probably prefer to go for a bit less if someone wants to split a £250 stake with me?

grim!

Stakers are receiving pms because the thread had generated a bit of interest in the wrong places

have u played a match yet?

Guys sorry Ive been absent for the past week, my fiancee has been seriously ill in hospital and that has had to be my main priority.

Whoever said 'Grim' I'm upset you think I'm out to grim, especially after I've given my home address and personal details (also that of my fiancee and her mother who is vulnerable!!!) to the people involved.

Linux - yes I played a match for £100 a couple of weeks ago now against a very good amateur player recieving handicaps. We played best of 7 sets, race to 9 in each set. I get 3 head start and it is adjusted after each set depending if I win or lose. I lost 4 sets to 2. Was a game I had an edge in but of course anything can happen.

As has been confirmed by Cos, this thread has garnered too much attention by actual pool players that I've opted to keep updates private. If anybody wants an update on what's going on then please tell me, and I'll PM you as well. I wanted to delete the thread altogether, but then I would definitely be accused of grimming and that's not what it is. Games are harder to come by due to this thread as a lot of people are trying to take advantage, so it's working out a strategy with a mate who is 'managing' me to get the right games that are in my favour.

I hope that this is satisfactory for all, like I say please PM me if you want to be updated on the progress :)

Baz

Pm pls

Will there be an opportunity in the future to take new staking money?

Not had a PM about the cash yet...

How's this going??

Either world pool champ or switched to Golf imo.

Either way he's got a stick to hit me, so want to point out that I'm mostly joking and glgl

bump