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This hand occurs half way through day 1.

Villain: He hasn't played too many hands, but has gone to showdown with hands like J10hh and 67cc which he opened from early position, and peeled 3-bets both times.
Hero: I have been fairly active, especially iso-ing one player in particular who doubled up in the first level. Have gone to show down with solid hands and one 45cc.

Blinds 150/300/25
Villain ~ 16k
Hero ~ 38k

Folds to villain in cut off who opens to 850, I make it 1950 on the button with As10c. Blinds fold, and he peels.
Flop is 4s8c2s. Villain checks, I bet 2650, he flats.
Turn is 10s.

I have the Ace of spades and now a pair, and villain now decides to lead for 4k.  Hero?

Call

Tell me you folded an ill buy u into next one.....

U fold top pair with nut flush draw?

? did i say that ?

Sunnnnny how has villain got to showdown? How does he play post?

why did you 3 bet preflop?

no real reason not to call the turn

He called a c-bet with the J10hh, as he flopped a flush draw. Missed turn went check check, but river he led. Got called by a pair, which was good.

67cc, he flopped a pair, called c-bet. Rest of action was check check, and he was good agaisnt AK iirc.

I think he plays pretty standard post, but obviously is capable of bluffing.


I 3-bet pre mostly to gain initiative. I also don't want to call down 3 streets on an Ace high board.  Not forgetting, he obviously peels 3-bets with much worse, which is another reason.

If we call turn, are we calling most rivers? Is it better to jam now? 

yes, no

what was your plan if he 4 bet btw?

I jam now sunny - your line is stong enough to still make him fold some of his range, you got the As blocker and a redraw to the nuts if you are behind. Also saves what is probably gonna be a tough decision on the end if you miss the spade. Finally, hitting the spade could also be an action killer so you aint getting paid (unless you check to induce and he delivers).

Therefore - jam now and hold/fold/bink as necessary.

Yeah thing is he's never folding better and there is very little worse that you want him to fold.  TBH could make arguments for call turn/fold river call both or even fold turn but I think jamming the turn is always going to be a dominated strategy

I don't mind the 3bet pre. I don't think A10o is strong enough to call pre but, is an okay hand to 3bet with these stack sizes and you can pass to a 4bet easily enough.

As everyone says just keep calling. River?

I agree with you totally re dominated strategy, but yet this is a spot when out river decision OOP is horrible on a blank river. Therefore he might not be calling with worse but we are picking up a big enough pot now and not having to face a bad spot on the river. If he has a 2 pr type hand and gets in it, we have plenty outs so we are only really hating made sets and flushes. We obv have the redraw if we need it.

What is your river plan (for a brick) if you call?

min bet.

Seriously depends on a load of rivers. Probably checking any bricks. Dont know if this guy would bluff twice on this board after we call turn. Also doesnt sound like he knows how to lay a hand down which is why I dont like a 4 bet on turn.

you check, he jams ............ you?

We have position Guy

oh yeah - ok well he open jams...... we?

Fold

take it i saved a monkey then ! result

Given the description, I think you can just flat call here and still be good a lot of the time. I guess the tough part is if it comes an off-suit picture card or something on the river and he shoves it in.

Since I feel he plays pretty straight forward, I was folding to a 4-bet. I think he is only going to 4-bet the top of his range, and doesn't click back AQ,99,etc. Since he has this very unbalanced 4-bet range, and the fact he peels much worse, I think 3-betting was fine.

Lol, I deffo wasn't folding.

Finally some acknowledgement  ;charmaine; ;charmaine; :goodpost: ;topman;

Happy to just flat the turn considering that we pretty much just pinged the nuts and we're not getting worse to call a turn jam

What's our plan on non-spade rivers? Should we be calling all rivers? All rivers except non-spade J/Q/K?

he's got 7k back right? i jam the turn. he's never gonna bluff the river, he can have a bunch of hands that think they have far higher equity against a jam (than they do). Seems like he's inducing or summat, but i dont like call/call as much because of river stacks and his description.

Interesting. Guess the best option on the turn is not clear then.

During the hand, I opted for a jam. He callled fairly quickly with KQss.

I really do find it interesting that there is a clear split between the call on the turn camp compared with the jam on the turn camp. I find these sort of decisions occur often during a tournament, and I've never really given it much thought on the best line, if the hand was in a vacuum. I think I base these decisions a lot on who villain is, reads, etc, but it would have been good to find some sort of default line.

Wiiiiii

In agreement with alex Martin, always  good!